i thought a lot of positions in the government were intended to go to normal people...not elitists
not that i support this move, it seems quite stupid
i thought a lot of positions in the government were intended to go to normal people...not elitists
not that i support this move, it seems quite stupid
Lemon law
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That is a totally ignorant statement, Hillary has lived and breathed politics ever since Bill Clinton entered political life in Arkansas three decades ago.
Although Hillary lacks Bill Clinton's sure political instincts, as a new first Lady, in 1993, she was put in charge of health care reform and ran up against a solid opposition she did not anticipate. Meanwhile she was part of the team Clinton Presidential decision making as Newt Gingrich freely admits.
During the democratic Presidential primaries of 2008, Hillary clearly demonstrated she had a far better knowledge of the issues than Obama, one may quibble with the positions she took Vs those of Obama, but knowledge wise, she knew the long sweep history of various issues far better than Obama.
To say Hillary went from house wife to Senator by name recognition alone is absurdly ignorant to anyone who knows anything about Hillary Clinton and her
part of team Clinton. And its precisely due to the fact that Hillary was a political animal that caused right wing republicans to make her a target for their hatreds.
Throckmorton
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TheSlamma
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The question is would she be under consideration if her name was not spelled K-e-n-n-e-d-y. Answer is clearly no, I don't see a name being a proper qualification therefore I do not support her being nominated to the Senate. If she wanted to run and was successful, great, but in an appointment the Governor should pick the most qualified individual and there are clearly more qualified people to choose from in the state of New York.
dainthomas
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So you'd prefer a lifetime politician or beltway insider for Clinton's seat? More same old same old I guess.
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As will the people of NY in less than two years from now, in any case. NY law requires the person so appointed to stand for election (and only for the balance of the six year term) during the next national go-round, ie, 2010, and then again in the regular year for that seat in 2014.
And since neither party in such a situation would chose someone they didn't think could run and win two years from now, your concern for the poor oppressed people of NY is moot.
At least they ran, and were not appointed. If the people are silly enough to vote in a monarchy, then they get what they deserve.
Very true. John Adams was our 2nd president, and his son was our 6th. The truth is that all of our leadership choices come from a small pool of people.
Look up how many senators and congress people have fathers who were also in Congress.
There are currently 5 or 6 wives who took over the congressional seats of their dead husbands.
Caroline Kennedy is just a symptom.
palehorse
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...and here we have a few wonderful words from the guy making the choice:
"That is why, in the state budget I presented last Tuesday, I proposed a tax on sugared beverages like soda. Research has demonstrated that soft-drink consumption is one of the main drivers of childhood obesity."
"If we are to succeed in reducing childhood obesity, we must reduce consumption of sugared beverages. That is the purpose of our proposed tax. We estimate that an 18 percent tax will reduce consumption by five percent." -- David Paterson, Governor of NY, December 18th, 2008.
Combating social and health issues through increased taxation!? What a douchebag... how can we expect a reasonable or intelligent decision from someone so ridiculously ignorant?
He's certainly blind in more ways than one...
Good luck New York! :laugh:
"That is why, in the state budget I presented last Tuesday, I proposed a tax on sugared beverages like soda. Research has demonstrated that soft-drink consumption is one of the main drivers of childhood obesity."
"If we are to succeed in reducing childhood obesity, we must reduce consumption of sugared beverages. That is the purpose of our proposed tax. We estimate that an 18 percent tax will reduce consumption by five percent." -- David Paterson, Governor of NY, December 18th, 2008.
Combating social and health issues through increased taxation!?
What a douchebag... how can we expect a reasonable or intelligent decision from someone so ridiculously ignorant?He's certainly blind in more ways than one...
Good luck New York! :laugh:
mugs
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Do you honestly think that she had no applicable experience because she had never held an elected position before? You don't think any of her other experience is applicable, including her time as first lady of Arkansas and the United States, where her unofficial responsibilities included more than cooking and cleaning? Her time as a partner in a law firm? Her time serving on the boards of major corporations? Her founding of a non-profit? None of this is worthwhile experience?
dainthomas
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Originally posted by: palehorse
... as opposed to yet another Kennedy?!
The point being if her name was Jones or Smith nobody would bat an eye. The Kennedy's have always been polarizing figures, hence the "outrage" from the right.
Not that I necessarily agree with the tax, taxation works well for at least one social and health issue.Originally posted by: palehorse
Combating social and health issues through increased taxation!?
Facing budgetary problems and a need to balance the budget, he's proposing a tax on something widely consumed. Increasing state revenue is his primary goal, not combating social and health issues. Just like a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down, that he can point out that it taxes one of the main drivers of childhood obesity makes it an easier sell.
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Originally posted by: palehorse
...and here we have a few wonderful words from the guy making the choice:
"That is why, in the state budget I presented last Tuesday, I proposed a tax on sugared beverages like soda. Research has demonstrated that soft-drink consumption is one of the main drivers of childhood obesity."
"If we are to succeed in reducing childhood obesity, we must reduce consumption of sugared beverages. That is the purpose of our proposed tax. We estimate that an 18 percent tax will reduce consumption by five percent." -- David Paterson, Governor of NY, December 18th, 2008.
Combating social and health issues through increased taxation!?
Nothing novel or new here. Some state governments (like, uh, all of them) just can't get enough tax dollars and are always looking for new scams to fleece the taxpayers.
She probably wouldn't do much, so she would be perfect. We need Senators and Congressmen who do nothing. They're helping send this country to hell.
mugs
Lifer
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Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: palehorse
... as opposed to yet another Kennedy?!
The point being if her name was Jones or Smith nobody would bat an eye. The Kennedy's have always been polarizing figures, hence the "outrage" from the right.
I wonder how many people who are criticizing Caroline Kennedy's "lack of experience" defended Bush's nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.
Originally posted by: L00PY
Not that I necessarily agree with the tax, taxation works well for at least one social and health issue.Originally posted by: palehorse
Combating social and health issues through increased taxation!?
Facing budgetary problems and a need to balance the budget, he's proposing a tax on something widely consumed. Increasing state revenue is his primary goal, not combating social and health issues. Just like a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down, that he can point out that it taxes one of the main drivers of childhood obesity makes it an easier sell.
Except the schools need that tax revenue to fund operations, and Medicare needs people to die before they hit 65 to minimize healthcare costs.....so is it really working?
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