Caroline Kennedy for NY Senator -- anyone else offended?

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winnar111

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: dainthomas
So you'd prefer a lifetime politician or beltway insider for Clinton's seat? More same old same old I guess.
... as opposed to yet another Kennedy?! :confused:

The point being if her name was Jones or Smith nobody would bat an eye. The Kennedy's have always been polarizing figures, hence the "outrage" from the right.

I wonder how many people who are criticizing Caroline Kennedy's "lack of experience" defended Bush's nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

Probably most of them. The right wing sunk Harriet Miers.
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Skitzer
I'm not comparing their intellect. Like I said she has NO experience.
Of course looking back to recent events ...... I guess experience is really no longer a prerequisite.
I just want to go on record as indicating that there are many politicians out there who are much better qualified for the position.

Hillary Clinton, who is vacating he seat, also had never held an elected office before she became a senator. That obviously didn't mean she had no experience.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan and RFK never held elected office either before the Senate seat that is now open.

The seat is going to be appointed to someone. As a New Yorker(state) I am okay with Caroline Kennedy if she is appointed.
 

marincounty

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Originally posted by: alchemize
One state we have a democrat governor trying to sell the seat. Another state we have a democrat governor (who took the place of Spitzer lol) who cares nothing about qualifications (if he appoints her).

Nothing to see here, move along! Whispering campaign! Rovian smear tactics!

OMG, the sky is falling. A Democratic governor from Illinois is a crook!
You might have a point - if the previous Republican governor wasn't in prison.

The Republicans have set such a low bar for politicians- with Scooter Libby, Alberto Gonzales, Harriet Miers, Larry Craig, bad intelligence, illegal wiretapping, rendition, Gitmo,
fired US attorneys, unneccessary wars, Ted Stevens, Abramoff, Duke Cunningham, etc...

I doubt the American people even care anymore. We are all disgusted by the corruption in politics, and just assume anyone involved is crooked.

Thanks, Republicans, for making people even more cynical and less likely to pay attention.
 

wwswimming

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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapperWhy not choose a hard working Congressman or member of the state legislature who was born into a family of modest means instead?

generally i'd agree, but ... Caroline vs. Hillary ?

isn't Schumer a NY senator ? where does this leave him. or is Caroline inheriting Hillary's job because she's going to Secretary of State.
 

Jiggz

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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Am I the only person who finds the prospect of Caroline Kennedy being nominated to fill Clinton's Senate seat offense? Other than having been born into a wealthy family, what has she done to deserve being made a U.S. Senator? It reeks of our having a monarchy or a class of royalty in this country.

Why not choose a hard working Congressman or member of the state legislature who was born into a family of modest means instead?

Being a Democratic is good enough qualification for any political position! Why do you think BHO is in office? As Bill Clinton mentioned, BHO is an American citizen and within age, so he should be qualified for the POTUS.
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Am I the only person who finds the prospect of Caroline Kennedy being nominated to fill Clinton's Senate seat offense? Other than having been born into a wealthy family, what has she done to deserve being made a U.S. Senator? It reeks of our having a monarchy or a class of royalty in this country.

Why not choose a hard working Congressman or member of the state legislature who was born into a family of modest means instead?

Can she legally hold this office? If her maiden name wasn't Kennedy would you care about this?
 

Eric62

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Originally posted by: Drakkon
Well the way i see it its just as offensive as the son of a President running for president (yes he did something but just as Monarch-like) or the wife of a President running for president (long live the queen)

Key difference is they RAN, they weren't appointed. The general public had a direct say in the matter.
I find it offensive that any Kennedy can get elected to a public office given their past (manslaughter/rape/bootlegging, drunk driving, ect) but the will of the people should prevail in our society.
Time to do away with appointments to fill vacant political positions that normally require a popular vote. Just leave it vacant until the next election cycle in 2 years...
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: alchemize
One state we have a democrat governor trying to sell the seat. Another state we have a democrat governor (who took the place of Spitzer lol) who cares nothing about qualifications (if he appoints her).

Nothing to see here, move along! Whispering campaign! Rovian smear tactics!

OMG, the sky is falling. A Democratic governor from Illinois is a crook!
You might have a point - if the previous Republican governor wasn't in prison.

The Republicans have set such a low bar for politicians- with Scooter Libby, Alberto Gonzales, Harriet Miers, Larry Craig, bad intelligence, illegal wiretapping, rendition, Gitmo,
fired US attorneys, unneccessary wars, Ted Stevens, Abramoff, Duke Cunningham, etc...

I doubt the American people even care anymore. We are all disgusted by the corruption in politics, and just assume anyone involved is crooked.

Thanks, Republicans, for making people even more cynical and less likely to pay attention.
LOL...yah, it's the republicans fault that people are more cynical about corruption when democrats are corrupt. I was more making fun of the leftie posters on here, but thanks for proving my point. I can play that game though! Monica, hillary's "miracle" cattle trades, chappaquidick, daley, japanese internment, vietnam, rostenkowski, jefferson, barry, there's a few off the top of my head.

You're a piece of work. Nice try though, here's your prize: :cookie:

 

mugs

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Originally posted by: Eric62
Time to do away with appointments to fill vacant political positions that normally require a popular vote. Just leave it vacant until the next election cycle in 2 years...

That makes no sense. That would punish an entire state for the actions of an individual (or possibly events outside of that individual's control).
 

Genx87

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We in this country seem to want a king\queen to look upto or blame. Withour system is about the closest we can get without a revolution. Instead of kings\queens we will get a political class where the same people are elected and looked upto.
 

NoShangriLa

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What kind of experience G W Bush have done to deserve the present posting other than having a dad that was a Prez?

What accomplishment or experience did R Reagan & A Schwarzenegger have to deserved their postings other than making film?

America is an elitist/capitalist country long before the nomination of C Kennedy, and IMHO, she has done a lot more good to America than the average American can achieve in their life time.

 

Craig234

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I'm all for it. I won't bother to say why in a long list, because I don't think one person who disagrees has any interest in the arguments.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
If her maiden name wasn't Kennedy would you care about this?

It's not her maiden name, it's her name.

People whine and moan that career politicians are all crooked, so here we have a non-politician with impeccable credentials (ivy league lawyer, worked on charitible organizations her whole life, co-authored 2 books on civil liberties, nothing really scandalous about her private life) and people are whining and moaning that she's done nothing to "earn" the spot ... like having worked as a career politician.

Conclusion: people like to whine and moan
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Genx87
We in this country seem to want a king\queen to look upto or blame. Withour system is about the closest we can get without a revolution. Instead of kings\queens we will get a political class where the same people are elected and looked upto.

Except that we are very much against a king and queen - who inherit their office.

We will give that sort of adulation to those who *earn* it - namely, the Kennedys. Of course there's a beloved status for the family with many in light of the tragic cutting short of their leadership of the nation - JFK after only 1,008 days and Robert before he could even get the presidency - but besides that, for what they *did*. It's the things JFK brought to the presidency that the country looks back on with such affection.

People generally understand the values Caroline Kennedy has, the legacy she respects and would represent, and they like those things about her.

Like him or not, whatever you think of Chapppaquiddick, expert opinion has long praised Ted Kennedy as one of the most effective US Senators we've had - a seat he was appointed to because he was the president's brother. Robert Kennery similarly was made Attorney General because he was the President's brother, who joked that he wanted Bobby to get some legal experience before entering the legal profession. He is controversial but widely seen as an outstanding Attorney General - before he was a carpetbagger Senator to the very seat we're discussing here for Caroline, and in which while not the effective 'Senator' Ted was, he did become a national leader for many causes.

It's not a 'king and queen' situation at all, with the history they have of doing so well for the nation. A dynasty, yes, but one of merit, not corruption or heredity.

The Kennedys have come to represent a family dedicated to public service, to helping those in need, to liberal values, whatever their private foibles.

JFK is regularly listed as one one the few most respected presidents in US history, and his daughter has not merely been his daughter, but has written at length and spoken out for decades about her own views on the issues in ways that show she is a strong advocate for them. This is honoring the leadership of the Kennedy family as they have served, rather than a corrupt 'using power to get more power' corrupt appointment.

I'm cautious about hereditary power. But people need to get past a knee-jerk, ignorant response, and actually look at the situation more thoroughly in reaching an opinion.

Of course, the bottom line is whether New Yorkers will choose her, and they have a history of selecting prominent family members for this seat, with Robert and Hillary, that have done well. I'm not a huge fan of Caroline Kennedy personally, but I think she would be great for our nation in being a voice for the good values her father and uncles represented, and I think it's an important set of values to perpetuate that have made our nation far better.
 

Mxylplyx

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: Skitzer
I'm amazed she is even being considered! She has no experience whatsoever.
This is as bad if not worse than the Palin fiasco!
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I beg to differ, Caroline is well educated and is no stranger to democratic politics or political issues. But by her own choice, she has been an intensely private person until recently, even though she has articulately spoken out on various issues over the years.

Comparing Caroline's intellect with Palin's proud to be ignorant is like comparing night and day.

Another big name being mentioned is Mario Cumos's son, but that decision will be up to the Governor of New York, another typical case of American blind justice.

And even if Caroline does not get the appointment for Senate, she may well run for office in the future.


I think you're onto something.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
What kind of experience G W Bush have done to deserve the present posting other than having a dad that was a Prez?

What accomplishment or experience did R Reagan & A Schwarzenegger have to deserved their postings other than making film?

America is an elitist/capitalist country long before the nomination of C Kennedy, and IMHO, she has done a lot more good to America than the average American can achieve in their life time.

Well Bush was the governor of a large state for 6 years and Reagan was a governor of another large state. Arnold is ironically married to a kennedy.
 

BoomerD

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I'm disappointed in the righties on this board for missing this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...jzm7HsY5NaewDkJMNp24cA

"NEW YORK ? Caroline Kennedy, who wants to fill Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's seat, has not voted in a number of elections, including one race for the very job she is seeking.

The Democrat registered at her current address on Manhattan's Upper East Side in 1988. According to Board of Elections records, she missed several Democratic mayoral primaries in 1989, 1993, 1997 and 2005.

She also skipped the 1994 general election, when Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan was running for re-election. It is the same seat she hopes to take over if Clinton is confirmed as secretary of state in the new administration.

Her spokesman, Stefan Friedman, said Kennedy "recognizes just how important it is to vote" but has missed a handful of occasions over the last two decades."



The nerve of that lady...letting life interfere with voting. Why she should be strung up for failing to vote in her mayoral elections...or made Senator...:D
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
I'm disappointed in the righties on this board for missing this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...jzm7HsY5NaewDkJMNp24cA

"NEW YORK ? Caroline Kennedy, who wants to fill Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's seat, has not voted in a number of elections, including one race for the very job she is seeking.

The Democrat registered at her current address on Manhattan's Upper East Side in 1988. According to Board of Elections records, she missed several Democratic mayoral primaries in 1989, 1993, 1997 and 2005.

She also skipped the 1994 general election, when Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan was running for re-election. It is the same seat she hopes to take over if Clinton is confirmed as secretary of state in the new administration.

Her spokesman, Stefan Friedman, said Kennedy "recognizes just how important it is to vote" but has missed a handful of occasions over the last two decades."



The nerve of that lady...letting life interfere with voting. Why she should be strung up for failing to vote in her mayoral elections...or made Senator...:D

This is seriously damaging stuff. How will she beat this rap?

Maybe I misread, but it says she skipped the mayoral primaries, not the mayoral election. Most people don't vote in the presidential primaries, forget local primaries. And Moynihan was a 3 time incumbent who won by 15pts, not exactly a nail biter.

I heard she once didn't recycle an aluminum can.
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: Craig234before he was a carpetbagger Senator to the very seat we're discussing here for Caroline, and in which while not the effective 'Senator' Ted was, he did become a national leader for many causes..

RFK not carbetbagger. He lived and went to school in NY.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: Craig234before he was a carpetbagger Senator to the very seat we're discussing here for Caroline, and in which while not the effective 'Senator' Ted was, he did become a national leader for many causes..

RFK not carbetbagger. He lived and went to school in NY.

It's relative. He'd lived in NY as much as anywhere, but clearly the Kennedys were identified mostly from Massachussetts, and Bobby largely from Viriginia where he'd gone to law school and for years lived in his Hickory Hill home. They'd liver in New York in younger periods.

As one report notes, Kennedy's opponent used the carpetbagger issue:

"I welcome Robert Kennedy to New York," he said when Kennedy announced. "Indeed, as his Senator, I would be happy to furnish him a guidebook, road map, and any other useful literature about the Empire State which any sojourner would find helpful."

He went on to flail away at Kennedy's carpetbagger status at every opportunity, repeatedly pointing out that Bobby would not even be able to vote for himself.

Kennedy himself:

Speaking to the Women's National Press Club the very night he was sworn in, Kennedy pretended to rifle through his notes, telling the audience, "First of all, I want to say how delighted I am to be here representing the great state of...ah...ah..."
 

dainthomas

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
What kind of experience G W Bush have done to deserve the present posting other than having a dad that was a Prez?

What accomplishment or experience did R Reagan & A Schwarzenegger have to deserved their postings other than making film?

America is an elitist/capitalist country long before the nomination of C Kennedy, and IMHO, she has done a lot more good to America than the average American can achieve in their life time.

Well Bush was the governor of a large state for 6 years and Reagan was a governor of another large state. Arnold is ironically married to a kennedy.

The governor of Texas has about as much real power as the Queen of England. A trained chimp could do that job.
 

Fern

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Getting the appointment to that Senate seat is a huge advantage. I kinda hate to see it go to someone who already been blesed with many huge advantages.

From what I hear on TV, Caroline's resume for this position is pretty thin. I can't help but think there is someone more deserving, someone who could bring something more to that seat, and the state of NY, than just celebrity name status.

But I don't live NY, so I won't be losing any sleep over it.

Edit: Kinda sad that washington DC seems to be turning into a big *family reunion* for the wealthy (e.g., Bush, Kennedy, Clinton)

Fern
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
What kind of experience G W Bush have done to deserve the present posting other than having a dad that was a Prez?

What accomplishment or experience did R Reagan & A Schwarzenegger have to deserved their postings other than making film?

America is an elitist/capitalist country long before the nomination of C Kennedy, and IMHO, she has done a lot more good to America than the average American can achieve in their life time.

Votes.
 

winnar111

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The Democrats don't give a damn about Vietnam war starting, wiretapping, taxcutting John Kennedy's policies.

Wonder why they like his daughter.

"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

? John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference