19 Year Old Girl Shot Looking for Help

[EagleKeeper]

Maybe you missed the picture. He didn't shoot through the door. He shot her on the porch, so she was outside. So how did he get outside? He had to have opened the door.

Door seems to open inward based on the door jamb.



If no mark on the inside of the door, the door was wide enough for her to be seen.

We do not know what she did when the door was being opened. Did she try to get in? Was she holding onto the door? Drunk people will do crazy things, yet she left the accident area twice. Disorientation or afraid over being picked up drunk? IS there any DUI in her background?

We only have the homeowners word; but Michigan law is enough to him to be not charged especially given her condition. BAC 0.281 at autopsy. She had to have been at some wild party (which no one will admit to and will not be found out)

 

[classy]

The OP quoted the family w/ respect to racism.

Then the family brings in all the civil rights showoffs making statements about civil rights being violated, etc.

Attempting to railroad a middle age white man for shooting a black teenager.

As you stated though, many cautioned to wait for the final picture; not what was being put out by the media/family in an attempt to spin and absolve the girl of responsibility.

At this point; the parents of the girl and whoever served her the alcohol are as much to blame as the homeowner, if not more.

The parents even worse; because they apparently encourage her behavior via the vehicles - three vehicle down the drain and the insurance company still will cover her?

He shot a girl the fucking face. And if she was as drunk as being reported she clearly was zero threat. That's not a railroad Eisenstein, its called an investigation. Also we have no idea what she did to those other cars, the person never said she wreaked them. Anyone even with a sliver of common decency would have to ask the question, how does a person accidentally shoot someone in the face. And one thing is clear where on earth is the great threat?

 

[spidey07]

Maybe you missed the picture. He didn't shoot through the door. He shot her on the porch, so she was outside. So how did he get outside? He had to have opened the door.

What part of the law don't you understand that deadly force can be used upon somebody trying to enter the threshold illegally?

A covered porch is considered part of the dwelling in that state.

Learn the lesson. Don't do that shit lest you get dead. That's the lesson here. Don't do that.

 

[classy]

Door opens outward.



If no mark on the inside of the door, the door was wide enough for her to be seen.

We do not know what she did when the door was being opened. Did she try to get in? Was she holding onto the door? Drunk people will do crazy things, yet she left the accident area twice. Disorientation or afraid over being picked up drunk? IS there any DUI in her background?

We only have the homeowners word; but Michigan law is enough to him to be not charged especially given her condition. BAC 0.281 at autopsy. She had to have been at some wild party (which no one will admit to and will not be found out)

Well I guess going by your analogy, if a girl is drunk and gets raped I guess that's her fault to right?

 

[spidey07]

He shot a girl the fucking face. And if she was as drunk as being reported she clearly was zero threat. That's not a railroad Eisenstein, its called an investigation. Also we have no idea what she did to those other cars, the person never said she wreaked them. Anyone even with a sliver of common decency would have to ask the question, how does a person accidentally shoot someone in the face. And one thing is clear where on earth is the great threat?

No threat is necessary.

Don't attempt to enter anothers home. Spread the word, lest you get dead.

 

[classy]

What part of the law don't you understand that deadly force can be used upon somebody trying to enter the threshold illegally?

A covered porch is considered part of the dwelling in that state.

Learn the lesson. Don't do that shit lest you get dead. That's the lesson here. Don't do that.

Well here is the problem with all of that, he said he shot her by accident. So clearly the threat, whatever it was had passed. At that point he had ZERO right to fire that gun or have it pointed at this girl, which we now know it went off. Now big mouth explain that one away.

 

[EagleKeeper]

He shot a girl the fucking face. And if she was as drunk as being reported she clearly was zero threat. That's not a railroad Eisenstein, its called an investigation. Also we have no idea what she did to those other cars, the person never said she wreaked them. Anyone even with a sliver of common decency would have to ask the question, how does a person accidentally shoot someone in the face. And one thing is clear where on earth is the great threat?

The cousin implied that she damaged three vehicle previously; seems reckless on her part.

Krystal Byrd, 27, of Detroit, remembered her cousin as a successful young person, one who "had (good) things going for herself," but had challenges behind the wheel.

"Her first car, she tore it up, and her daddy got her a new one. Anything she wanted, she got. And her second car, she tore that up too. And I think she did another one," said Byrd, who wore a T-shirt emblazoned with "R.I.P. Cuzen."

Drunks can be a threat; the girl could have tried to push in once the door was opened. At 3AM; the homeowner has no idea what her intentions were and did she have anyone else with her. The shot may have been a reaction to her pulling on the door.

There are still more details needed before a judgement should be made.
The family does not want an investigation; they want a conviction; Ignoring the evidence and people are backing them (ala Martin). Black teenage shot by white man -ignoring the circumstances.

Remember; from his POV; similar situations had happened before.

 

[Geosurface]

One thing about this I do find amusing is that the narrative being pushed by a lot of the family and community there seems to be "omg it's not safe for a black person in these white areas" - when I think by any reasonable person's standards, what happened to Ms. McBride was a fluke, a tragic misunderstanding and an accident, in all likelihood.

I'd love to know how a 19 year old white girl would fare between the hours of 1am and 3:40am, wandering the predominantly black neighborhoods of Detroit proper, while intoxicated.

Any of our resident Detroit experts want to weigh in?

 

[spidey07]

Well here is the problem with all of that, he said he shot her by accident. So clearly the threat, whatever it was had passed. At that point he had ZERO right to fire that gun or have it pointed at this girl, which we now know it went off. Now big mouth explain that one away.

No, he shot because he his house was being broken into. Per state law he had every right to fire.

The law has been posted for you to understand. Spread the word, you do that shit you may get dead. Don't do that.

Learn your lesson and spread it to your friends.

 

[spidey07]

One thing about this I do find amusing is that the narrative being pushed by a lot of the family and community there seems to be "omg it's not safe for a black person in these white areas" - when I think by any reasonable person's standards, what happened to Ms. McBride was a fluke, a tragic misunderstanding and an accident, in all likelihood.

I'd love to know how a 19 year old white girl would fare between the hours of 1am and 3:40am, wandering the predominantly black neighborhoods of Detroit proper, while intoxicated.

Any of our resident Detroit experts want to weigh in?

Damn straight it's not safe to be a black person who tries to enter another's home. It's not safe for any person attempting to do that.

Let that lesson be learned. You may get dead.

 

[classy]

No, he shot because he his house was being broken into. Per state law he had every right to fire.

The law has been posted for you to understand. Spread the word, you do that shit you may get dead. Don't do that.

Learn your lesson and spread it to your friends.

Once again wrong. The man stated he "thought" his house was being broken into, not that it was. He then said he accidentally shot her. He didn't shoot her because she was committing a crime as he first thought.

You cant have it both ways. Either he shot her because of her attempting to break in the house. Or he shot her by accident. When there is no threat force can't be used, especially not deadly force.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Well I guess going by your analogy, if a girl is drunk and gets raped I guess that's her fault to right?

If is a shared responsibility if she put herself in that situation.

the same goes here;
She was driving around completely plasters (by the way happens to be illegal)
She fled the scene of an accident
She then shows up at a strangers house at 3AM; knocking and/or something else.
Stranger is concerned; opens the front door with a shotgun handy.

At this point we do not know what the girl did.
If she just stood on the porch; the shooting is unjustified.
If she made any attempt to enter the house; then the shooting is justified

 

[spidey07]

Once again wrong. The man stated he "thought" his house was being broken into, not that it was. He then said he accidentally shot her. He didn't shoot her because she was committing a crime as he first thought.

You cant have it both ways. Either he shot her because of her attempting to break in the house. Or he shot her by accident. When there is no threat force can't be used, especially not deadly force.

That's all that is needed racist. The law has been posted for you over and over again. Threat is not needed to use deadly force.

Learn it and spread the word not to do what she did.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Well here is the problem with all of that, he said he shot her by accident. So clearly the threat, whatever it was had passed. At that point he had ZERO right to fire that gun or have it pointed at this girl, which we now know it went off. Now big mouth explain that one away.

Accident does not mean the threat passed; It means that he did not intend to pull the trigger.

We do not know what her actions were once the door was opened; She may have jerked the door opened further or tried to enter. Either option could have unbalanced the homeowner and he reflexed pulling the trigger.

 

[M0RPH]

Why is everyone so quick to rule out the possibility that she WAS trying to break into a house? Maybe after the accident she went to a friend's house nearby and was drinking and smoking weed. Maybe her friends are criminals and wanted to break into a house, and found it convenient to use this drunk girl as a 'knocker', to check if someone is home. It's not really any more far-fetched than the explanation you need to come up with to explain how she was wandering around for 2 hours, or however long it was.

 

[spidey07]

Why is everyone so quick to rule out the possibility that she WAS trying to break into a house? Maybe after the accident she went to a friend's house nearby and was drinking and smoking weed. Maybe her friends are criminals and wanted to break into a house, and found it convenient to use this drunk girl as a 'knocker', to check if someone is home. It's not really any more far-fetched than the explanation you need to come up with to explain how she was wandering around for 2 hours, or however long it was.

Because they don't want white folk to be able to defend themselves.

That's why. They won't admit it, but that's the true reason.

 

[Geosurface]

He then said he accidentally shot her.

You cant have it both ways. Either he shot her because of her attempting to break in the house. Or he shot her by accident.

Keep in mind everything we're getting so far is second or third hand. We don't know exactly what he said to police.

As I've suggested before, this may be a game of telephone version where by the time it got to us via police and media, it was "he says he fired the gun accidentally!" but until we actually hear what he said, like in a recording, we don't know if that's what he said or meant.

He may very well have used the word "accident" but meant it in the sense of "once I saw it was just a girl alone, and she had no weapon or ski mask on or anything, and once people told me she'd been in a car accident, I realized it was a horrible mistake."

We just don't know yet. He may still have felt, in the moment he fired, that he was under threat.

 

[spidey07]

By law it really doesn't matter.

If she was shot attempting to cross the threshold it's a good shoot.

 

[2timer]

Why is everyone so quick to rule out the possibility that she WAS trying to break into a house? Maybe after the accident she went to a friend's house nearby and was drinking and smoking weed. Maybe her friends are criminals and wanted to break into a house, and found it convenient to use this drunk girl as a 'knocker', to check if someone is home. It's not really any more far-fetched than the explanation you need to come up with to explain how she was wandering around for 2 hours, or however long it was.

Because the way you're describing it is a stretch of the imagination. Why would a "knocker" be wandering, with no car, all alone? It's a ridiculous suggestion and laughable, you think the criminals would catch the bus home at 4:30 in the morning hauling their flat screen TVs? ROFL.

 

[Geosurface]

November, Michigan, she'd been outside since 1am and was still drunk off her ass... outside in the cold for hours... she may have gotten more insistent on that door, or pushy when it was opened, than she should have. That certainly seems possible.

Drunks aren't known for their social graces. If you tried to open the door just a crack to see who was out there, and suddenly they're trying to push their way in... and you're barely awake yet, with a shotgun in hand...

 

[M0RPH]

Because the way you're describing it is a stretch of the imagination. Why would a "knocker" be wandering, with no car, all alone? It's a ridiculous suggestion and laughable, you think the criminals would catch the bus home at 4:30 in the morning hauling their flat screen TVs? ROFL.

Because her friends were waiting in the car, and when they realized she'd been shot they took off. Not ridiculous at all. This is just one scenario, i could come up with more. Like I said before, my scenario is not any more far-fetched than this idea that she was looking for help, hours after he accident.

She was offered help by people at the scene. An ambulance eventually showed up, if she really wanted help she could have waited for it. I'd love to hear your theory about how she ended up at some guy's porch 6 blocks away, hours later.

 

[nehalem256]

One thing about this I do find amusing is that the narrative being pushed by a lot of the family and community there seems to be "omg it's not safe for a black person in these white areas" - when I think by any reasonable person's standards, what happened to Ms. McBride was a fluke, a tragic misunderstanding and an accident, in all likelihood.

I'd love to know how a 19 year old white girl would fare between the hours of 1am and 3:40am, wandering the predominantly black neighborhoods of Detroit proper, while intoxicated.

Imagine instead it had been a 19 year old white frat boy.

I wonder how many people would have been saying it is perfectly normal to crash into parked cars at high rates of speed and then flee the scene of the accident?

I wonder how many people would have assumed he had been drinking?

I wonder how many people would be calling for the prosecution of the homeowner?

 

[Geosurface]

Imagine instead it had been a 19 year old white frat boy.

I wonder how many people would have been saying it is perfectly normal to crash into parked cars at high rates of speed and then flee the scene of the accident?

I wonder how many people would have assumed he had been drinking?

I wonder how many people would be calling for the prosecution of the homeowner?

You're absolutely right, the sympathy levels would be at rock bottom and there'd certainly be no rallies.

I wonder how many people would be calling for the prosecution of the homeowner?

Particularly if the home owner was a 54 year old black woman.

 

[2timer]

Because her friends were waiting in the car, and when they realized she'd been shot they took off. Not ridiculous at all. This is just one scenario, i could come up with more. Like I said before, my scenario is not any more far-fetched than this idea that she was looking for help, hours after he accident.

She was offered help by people at the scene. An ambulance eventually showed up, if she really wanted help she could have waited for it. I'd love to hear your theory about how she ended up at some guy's porch 6 blocks away, hours later.

My theory? I know if it was me personally who smashed a parked car with BAC 3 times above the legal limit, I might just run away from the scene and sit in a state of shock and depression for literally hours while wrestling with what course of action to take next. I mentioned it in a previous post, I believe the time lapsed between the crash and the time when she went to the door was at least in part because she didn't want the cops to know about her DUI. If she was just wandering outside in the cold at night, maybe her hierarchy of needs eventually beat out her shock and fear, and she simply decided she needed to go home and get warm.

Like you said, just one possible scenario among numerous scenarios. I see what you mean now, your suggestion is that she was in the car with some criminals and they drove away after she was shot. My mind just never went there, I guess.

 

[werepossum]

Be interesting to find out did she get plastered at her friends house that she supposedly went to see?

She was on the way to killing someone; given her disregard for automobiles and drinking.
How much also did her family contribute by knowing and tolerating such.
Seeing as this was vehicle #4; what was her condition with #1-3 being totaled/damaged (requiring replacement)

Sounds like it, although tore up could possibly refer to blown engines or such.

You know, I wonder what would happen if your own child - drunk late one evening and too incapacitated to find the key - struggles with the front door to get in. You of course would shoot first and ask questions later.

Would you tell us with this same smug confidence how you "protest" by shooting anyone trying to break in? Would you say that to your wife?

You and your self-satisfied ilk are accidents just waiting to happen.

If one throws open the door, gun pointed and finger on trigger, such an accident also happen to a loved one.

Because the way you're describing it is a stretch of the imagination. Why would a "knocker" be wandering, with no car, all alone? It's a ridiculous suggestion and laughable, you think the criminals would catch the bus home at 4:30 in the morning hauling their flat screen TVs? ROFL.

I think this is a very possible theory, only slightly behind alien abduction in likelihood.

It's more plausible that she would try to enter the house (thinking she was home) when the door opened, but not being a point blank range shot argues against it.