19 Year Old Girl Shot Looking for Help

[EagleKeeper]

Wow, if she was .218 at time of death hours later she must have been really wasted at the time of the accident. Still sad she's dead, but as Soundmanred said, she might well have killed someone else by being that irresponsible.

Today's lesson: Don't drink and drive - or knock.

Be interesting to find out did she get plastered at her friends house that she supposedly went to see?

She was on the way to killing someone; given her disregard for automobiles and drinking.
How much also did her family contribute by knowing and tolerating such.
Seeing as this was vehicle #4; what was her condition with #1-3 being totaled/damaged (requiring replacement)

 

[tgferg67]

Case closed. Yet racist will still cry racism.

Some drunk and drugged person tries to enter your home at 3 in the morning? Yeah. They getting dead.

Insert someone with Alzheimer's instead of Renisha McBride, would it be ok if they were dead too?

 

[2timer]

I can't help but notice you are stating that she tried to enter his home. Is that confirmed or your personal version?

It was never confirmed she attempted to enter the house. I still don't know what for sure she did at the door, beyond knocking, and it's likely we may never truly know.

Spidey07 doesn't need anything confirmed to assume it's true. Dude has some mental issues, as others have noted. In his world every black person who doesn't show him extreme deference is a thug, a thug who he is justified to shoot at. Crazy old fuck.

 

[HomerJS]

Case closed. Yet racist will still cry racism.

Some drunk and drugged person tries to enter your home at 3 in the morning? Yeah. They getting dead.

The only person who brought up race here is your dispicable ass. Most of us wanted to see evidence and asked questions.

 

[spidey07]

I can't help but notice you are stating that she tried to enter his home. Is that confirmed or your personal version?

Based on evidence.

 

[spidey07]

Insert someone with Alzheimer's instead of Renisha McBride, would it be ok if they were dead too?

Yes. A treat is a treat especially at 3 in the morning.

 

[spidey07]

The only person who brought up race here is your dispicable ass. Most of us wanted to see evidence and asked questions.

Bull fucking shit. The family brought racism into it.

When a drunk drugged person tries to break in, you shoot them.

Case closed. As a society we must fight the racists.

 

[2timer]

Based on evidence.

You mean based on the accused shooter's statement. That's the only "evidence" there is, what the person accused of killing her said. I know that's all you have because otherwise, you'd have posted a link to the evidence if you had any.

 

[Brainonska511]

Yes. A treat is a treat especially at 3 in the morning.

Treat? Interesting typo there...

 

[spidey07]

It was never confirmed she attempted to enter the house. I still don't know what for sure she did at the door, beyond knocking, and it's likely we may never truly know.

Spidey07 doesn't need anything confirmed to assume it's true. Dude has some mental issues, as others have noted. In his world every black person who doesn't show him extreme deference is a thug, a thug who he is justified to shoot at. Crazy old fuck.

Negative.

Somebody tryin to enter my home at 3 am is getting shot.

Don't do that. That will likely get you dead.

It's not hard to understand.

 

[dank69]

Based on evidence.

mmhmm I'm sure.

Has it been confirmed if she was shot through the door or not?

 

[2timer]

My question is, at this point, we know that it's legal to use force if someone is breaking into your home. The question is, is it legal to use force if you believe someone is breaking in. Because McBride was not a robber, but if she was drunk and wiggled the doorknob in a drunken stupor, the man might have believed she was breaking in.

Good enough to be absolved? This article doesn't say anything about the belief of a break in:

http://m.washingtonpost.com/nationa...d16028-4c82-11e3-bf60-c1ca136ae14a_story.html

 

[spidey07]

mmhmm I'm sure.

Has it been confirmed if she was shot through the door or not?

Yes it has racist.

 

[spidey07]

My question is, at this point, we know that it's legal to use force if someone is breaking into your home. The question is, is it legal to use force if you believe someone is breaking in. Because McBride was not a robber, but if she was drunk and wiggled the doorknob in a drunken stupor, the man might have believed she was breaking in.

Good enough to be absolved? This article doesn't say anything about the belief of a break in:

http://m.washingtonpost.com/nationa...d16028-4c82-11e3-bf60-c1ca136ae14a_story.html

You continue to apply self defense to castle doctrine. Stop that, that are not the same.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

My question is, at this point, we know that it's legal to use force if someone is breaking into your home. The question is, is it legal to use force if you believe someone is breaking in. Because McBride was not a robber, but if she was drunk and wiggled the doorknob in a drunken stupor, the man might have believed she was breaking in.

Good enough to be absolved? This article doesn't say anything about the belief of a break in:

http://m.washingtonpost.com/nationa...d16028-4c82-11e3-bf60-c1ca136ae14a_story.html

The law is quite clear that if a homeowner reasonably believes someone is in the process of breaking into their house they can use deadly force to stop the break in. There's no way this homeowner would know what the woman had been through prior to the incident. I expect no charges to be filed in this case

 

[Geosurface]

I wouldn't shoot anyone breaking into my house via the front door unless they'd actually successfully breached the front door, or maybe if I'd visually verified it was 3 dudes all in ski masks, with crow bars and such.

But in all likelihood, the only way I'd shoot is if I had called out a warning to them to stop and go away, that the police had been called, and if they still attempted to breach the door after that.

If this guy's door was intact, merely being plastered on alcohol out on his porch shouldn't rise to the level where he's shooting his gun. It's complicated by the fact that he says it was an accident... the fact that he's had previous burglaries... the fact that we don't know exactly what she wad doing out there, or how awake he managed to get... etc.

I think when it's all said and done, he probably should at least face trial.

What I find remarkable, admittedly as someone who doesn't know much about alcohol, is that her BAC was that high after having at least 3 hours for it to go down. I've heard someone describe her BAC at time of death as "black out drunk" is that true? What was her BAC likely at the time of the car accident?

 

[classy]

Yes it has racist.

She was not shot through the door. The man opened the door. There is still no word on why he thought someone was trying to break in. He called the dispatch afterwards and said he shot someone on his porch and then just hung up.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

She was not shot through the door. The man opened the door. There is still no word on why he thought someone was trying to break in. He called the dispatch afterwards and said he shot someone on his porch and then just hung up.

Evidence that the homeowner opened the door prior to shooting. The porch is too small for someone shoot and it not be a close range shot.

 

[shira]

Lol. Fucking racist.

We protest by shooting people trying to break in.

Try it again. Get dead. In the grand scheme Darwin wins.

Don't want to get dead? Don't try to enter another mans home.

You know, I wonder what would happen if your own child - drunk late one evening and too incapacitated to find the key - struggles with the front door to get in. You of course would shoot first and ask questions later.

Would you tell us with this same smug confidence how you "protest" by shooting anyone trying to break in? Would you say that to your wife?

You and your self-satisfied ilk are accidents just waiting to happen.

 

[2timer]

The law is quite clear that if a homeowner reasonably believes someone is in the process of breaking into their house they can use deadly force to stop the break in. There's no way this homeowner would know what the woman had been through prior to the incident. I expect no charges to be filed in this case

The reason I ask is because the legal expert cited in the story says that force is legal if someone is breaking in. The expert doesn't mention the "belief of a break in," nor does the law as I've read it. So I get what you mean, but can you provide verification?

Under a 2006 Michigan self-defense law, a homeowner has the right to use force during a break-in, said Curt Benson, who teaches at Thomas M. Cooley Law School. “But if they’re not breaking in, you have to show you honestly believed your life was in danger,” Benson said.

 

[classy]

Evidence that the homeowner opened the door prior to shooting. The porch is too small for someone shoot and it not be a close range shot.

Thurswell said many questions remain about what happened in the moments leading up to the shooting, including whether the shooter looked out the window before he came outside, whether his porch light was on or turned on in the middle of the night, as well as when and whether he determined McBride's race, African-American.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/renisha-mcbrides-killer-called-911-report-shooting-hung/story?id=20875132

 

[Londo_Jowo]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/renisha-mcbrides-killer-called-911-report-shooting-hung/story?id=20875132

That's not evidence, that's the family lawyer trying to drive the narrative.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The only person who brought up race here is your dispicable ass. Most of us wanted to see evidence and asked questions.

The OP quoted the family w/ respect to racism.

Then the family brings in all the civil rights showoffs making statements about civil rights being violated, etc.

Attempting to railroad a middle age white man for shooting a black teenager.

As you stated though, many cautioned to wait for the final picture; not what was being put out by the media/family in an attempt to spin and absolve the girl of responsibility.

At this point; the parents of the girl and whoever served her the alcohol are as much to blame as the homeowner, if not more.

The parents even worse; because they apparently encourage her behavior via the vehicles - three vehicle down the drain and the insurance company still will cover her?

 

[classy]

That's not evidence, that's the family lawyer trying to drive the narrative.

Maybe you missed the picture. He didn't shoot through the door. He shot her on the porch, so she was outside. So how did he get outside? He had to have opened the door.

 

[EagleKeeper]

"The family is more concerned in getting a conviction after he's charged than just getting him charged," McBride family attorney Gerald Thurswell told ABCNews.com today. "The only way justice will be served is by getting a conviction, not just by filing charges

Same spin as with Martin.