19 Year Old Girl Shot Looking for Help

[nehalem256]

The shotgun may have erased the signs of it?

Also, closed head injuries can be very serious, and take a while to show effects, and have little visible sign of damage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natasha_Richardson#Injury_and_death

Previously there were claims that she sustained visible head wounds during the accident.

But now according to the timeline it was reported as a non-injury accident.

So the question is did she actually sustain visible head wounds? Or was that just more lies invented to cover up her likely alcohol caused behavior.

 

[Geosurface]

I think the thing about her bleeding came from the people calling 911 for her, who have no obvious reason to lie.

Given the damage to her car, a head wound is not hard for me to believe.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The shotgun may have erased the signs of it?

Also, closed head injuries can be very serious, and take a while to show effects, and have little visible sign of damage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natasha_Richardson#Injury_and_death

ME has the blast going from lower left (Cheek/jaw) at an upward right angle

 

[spidey07]

OMG! That means the racist monster shot her while she was on the ground begging for help!

 

[Geosurface]

OMG! That means the racist monster shot her while she was on the ground begging for help!

Likely kneeling with hands clutched, begging. Pleas falling on deaf, unfeeling, racist ears.

 

[ElFenix]

So the family did say she was shot in the back of the head, when she was shot in the front? An undeniable falsehood.

please link to where the family said that. i keep seeing it repeated, but only by people saying it's false.

 

[nehalem256]

please link to where the family said that. i keep seeing it repeated, but only by people saying it's false.

Its in the 2nd article of the OP:

Early today, Dearborn Heights police disputed early statements by the family that McBride was shot in the back of the head as she turned to leave the porch. Police said the homeowner told investigators his shotgun accidentally discharged, hitting Renisha McBride in the face as she stood on his porch.

http://www.freep.com/article/201311...hot-in-face-not-back-of-head-Dearborn-Heights

 

[ElFenix]

Its in the 2nd article of the OP:

http://www.freep.com/article/201311...hot-in-face-not-back-of-head-Dearborn-Heights

well, no, that's not a statement from the family, that's a statement from police about what the family said. so that's hearsay.

here's what i wanted

http://www.freep.com/article/20131107/NEWS02/311070049/

(of course, that's not really a statement by the family either, as its unattributed to a particular person and not a direct quote, but at least its attributed to the family, rather than a statement about a statement. i still have problems with it, though. ideally we'd have the original direct quote)


the fact of the matter is the family wasn't there. so anything they found out, they were being told. we don't know what they were told about what happened (and, in particular, what words). there's a big jump to conclusions game being played here by everyone except the detroit prosecutor's office.

 

[2timer]

I don't understand why most of the discussion here is focused on what the woman was doing that night and how strange her behavior is, how intoxicated she was, or what laws she broke. The way I see it, the only really relevant question here is this - did he or did he not open the door? Because if he did I don't see how his actions are really justifiably. And her opening the door seems like the far less likely scenario here - if the door was unlocked she'd already be in the house when she was shot. But the door was probably not unlocked to begin with.

You can't say he acted out of survival instinct to protect himself or even his property because in that case opening the door is stupid. Any reasonable person would have called the police then waited inside the house within line of sight of the door (but not directly in front of it), with the shotgun, ready to fire if the person entered. If any interaction is done at all it should be yelling at the person, maybe telling them you're armed and you called the police, although I wouldn't even do that.

Going up to the door and opening it is just putting yourself in further risk and escalating the situation. I don't see how it can be seen any other way.

Here's what I think happened here.. the home owner heard someone at his door (knocking, trying to open the knob, whatever) and assumed it was a burglar. Having been robbed a couple times in the past (if Geosurface's source is correct on this) he was pissed off and wanted to personally run the burglar off or even wanted to actually shoot him/her. After shooting the woman he would have realized she had no vehicle, weapons, tools, accomplices, anything so was probably not a burglar.. and then the "what have I done" reaction would sink in.

While I agree, I think that the bigger issue than whether or not he opened the door is whether or not she was actually intoxicated. Because the law allows for deadly force if you believe you are being robbed or your home is being broken into. So if she was drunk, its possible that she wasn't just knocking, she might also have been jiggling on the door knob. If that's so, it appears the homeowner has a lawful right to fire his gun. Which is sad because she was killed and its perfectly clear in hindsight her intentions were not to burglarize anyone.

 

[LTC8K6]

ME has the blast going from lower left (Cheek/jaw) at an upward right angle

That favors the homeowner's story of accidentally firing the shotgun.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You can't ask an intruder to fill out a waiver asking if they intend to do harm.

I moved some family out of wayne county about 5 years ago, and it was the biggest shithole I've ever seen in my life. I have been around plenty of poor ghetto areas, and wayne county was simply no comparison.


Considering the location, I don't blame the homeowner for being trigger happy. This is an area where the police don't respond, fire trucks don't respond, I mean it truly is about as close to a modern wild west as you can get.

 

[ElFenix]

While I agree, I think that the bigger issue than whether or not he opened the door is whether or not she was actually intoxicated. Because the law allows for deadly force if you believe you are being robbed or your home is being broken into. So if she was drunk, its possible that she wasn't just knocking, she might also have been jiggling on the door knob. If that's so, it appears the homeowner has a lawful right to fire his gun. Which is sad because she was killed and its perfectly clear in hindsight her intentions were not to burglarize anyone.

who opens the door when he thinks there's a burglar jiggling the knob?

 

[LTC8K6]

Previously there were claims that she sustained visible head wounds during the accident.

But now according to the timeline it was reported as a non-injury accident.

So the question is did she actually sustain visible head wounds? Or was that just more lies invented to cover up her likely alcohol caused behavior.

The report on the phone as "non-injury" doesn't mean anything. It's just what the 911 operator was told, and then relayed.

 

[2timer]

who opens the door when he thinks there's a burglar jiggling the knob?

Someone who's been burglarized in the past and wants to scare the burglar away?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Someone who's been burglarized in the past and wants to scare the burglar away?

And leave it to chance whether or not the bugler is armed? I don't think so.

 

[Soundmanred]

Sounds like the world was saved from a drunk driver killing someone.

 

[NoCreativity]

You can't ask an intruder to fill out a waiver asking if they intend to do harm.

I moved some family out of wayne county about 5 years ago, and it was the biggest shithole I've ever seen in my life. I have been around plenty of poor ghetto areas, and wayne county was simply no comparison.


Considering the location, I don't blame the homeowner for being trigger happy. This is an area where the police don't respond, fire trucks don't respond, I mean it truly is about as close to a modern wild west as you can get.

Where in Wayne County? You do realize there are some really nice areas of Wayne County, probably nicer than where you live, as well as some real crappy places.

And as mentioned before, the area of this incident is not that bad.

 

[SheHateMe]

Where in Wayne County? You do realize there are some really nice areas of Wayne County, probably nicer than where you live, as well as some real crappy places.

And as mentioned before, the area of this incident is not that bad.

You're asking too many questions. People will continue to pretend like they know everything about Detroit and the surrounding areas. Despite those of us who actually grew up around these places telling them they're dead wrong.

 

[Fern]

I'm betting she had major head truama. it does not always kick in right away (the effectS).
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I would've thought the airbag would have prevented that.

Crash looked more head on to me. If she had been T-boned by another car I could head trauma from hitting the driver's side window. But a frontal crash? Airbag and seat belts should have prevent major head trauma.

Fern

 

[werepossum]

Someone who's been burglarized in the past and wants to scare the burglar away?

I was going to say "a man with a shotgun who is about to shoot the burglar", but you make a good point.

 

[Fern]

ME has the blast going from lower left (Cheek/jaw) at an upward right angle

That favors the homeowner's story of accidentally firing the shotgun.

Yeah, I think it may.

I think my 1st post in this thread was that we need to know what kind of shotgun it was before discussing accidental discharge. From the description of the wound it may be that the homeowner was setting his shotgun down (butt first). Older style guns with an exposed hammer can sometime discharge from a (slight) jar when placing the gun down.

Pic of old style shotgun: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...a=X&ei=ZfiDUrHCMMbg2AWv_YGIDQ&ved=0CC8Q9QEwAg

Fern

 

[LTC8K6]

This was apparently car #4 to be wrecked by her...

Krystal Byrd, 27, of Detroit, remembered her cousin as a successful young person, one who “had (good) things going for herself,” but had challenges behind the wheel.

“Her first car, she tore it up, and her daddy got her a new one. Anything she wanted, she got. And her second car, she tore that up too. And I think she did another one,” said Byrd, who wore a T-shirt emblazoned with “R.I.P. Cuzen.”

http://www.freep.com/article/20131108/NEWS01/311080097/

 

[werepossum]

I would've thought the airbag would have prevented that.

Crash looked more head on to me. If she had been T-boned by another car I could head trauma from hitting the driver's side window. But a frontal crash? Airbag and seat belts should have prevent major head trauma.

Fern

She probably wasn't wearing a seat belt if she'd been drinking, and an airbag can knock the fool out of you. If I had to guess, I'd assume a bloody nose from the airbag. We don't really know either way though.

As far as classifying the accident as non-injury, that may be standard when someone flees the scene. The idea being that if you CAN flee the scene, you are not in need of medical attention. (And of course, wouldn't be there to receive it anyway.)

 

[LTC8K6]

Yeah, I think it may.

I think my 1st post in this thread was that we need to know what kind of shotgun it was before discussing accidental discharge. From the description of the wound it may be that the homeowner was setting his shotgun down (butt first). Older style guns with an exposed hammer can sometime discharge from a (slight) jar when placing the gun down.

Pic of old style shotgun: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...a=X&ei=ZfiDUrHCMMbg2AWv_YGIDQ&ved=0CC8Q9QEwAg

Fern

Just read the autopsy and there is no mention of the wound being anything but straight front to back and a little right to left.

There is nothing about an upward wound track, so cancel the thought about it matching the claim of an accidental shooting.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...lose-range?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

 

[Thebobo]

Guns outside of very very rare failures do not go off by themselves, so yes he did something wrong... namely pull the trigger when he did not intend to.

Yea just ask Dick Cheney