You need to make only $55,000 per day - that's it!

[theeedude]

Firstly, I do not for a moment believe the people in charge of D party are any better or "good-er" than the R party, at the most fundamental level.

Really, you STILL don't see the difference? I don't know when you will then. Maybe if you get a pre-existing condition and get kicked off insurance, you will see it, but even then you may still pretend it's "both sides."

 

[brycejones]

Notice how the OP didn't respond when pushed on Citizen's United? Gotta protect that #bothsidesarethesame bubble.

 

[MrSquished]

Firstly, I do not for a moment believe the people in charge of D party are any better or "good-er" than the R party, at the most fundamental level. Schummer or Harry Reid or Ryan or whoever - they are the same inside with different outward labels. And some of them may even believe these labels themselves. Just might.

You are wrong. While I'm sure some of the politicians on both sides are not that different, there are plenty who are, and I think the more good side lies to the left vs the right. It is especially evident in the Supreme Court. Why don't we look at the rulings and where the 'D' justices sided vs the 'R' justices sided and see which are any better?

 

[dank69]

I think Bernie would have won and fuck the Democrats for stacking the deck against him because Hilary was the anointed one. I don't care if he had a real shot to win or not, the fact is they did that. Debbie Wasserman Schultz should have been drawn and quartered, instead Hilary gave her a job.

I saw this post over the weekend and wanted to respond but never found the time. I'm a few pages late and a few people have touched on this already but I'd like to emphasize it loud and clear. I know you were told that the DNC email hack exposed foul play against Bernie, but it is not true.

Nobody has ever produced an email demonstrating this thing you think of as a fact. There was one email by a DNC guy that was assigned to help Hillary's campaign (just like some DNC people were assigned to help Bernie's), and this one guy asked in an email if they would like to attack Bernie on religious grounds. The response was "no." That is it. That is all it took for people to craft the narrative that Hillary and the DNC stacked the deck against Bernie. Then that idiot Brazile gave Hillary's campaign advance notice of a single question, unsolicited, and it was a question everyone knew was coming anyway so it didn't even provide an advantage.

Just one of the many, many examples of complete bullshit that people unquestioningly believe about the she-beast.

 

[MrSquished]

I saw this post over the weekend and wanted to respond but never found the time. I'm a few pages late and a few people have touched on this already but I'd like to emphasize it loud and clear. I know you were told that the DNC email hack exposed foul play against Bernie, but it is not true.

Nobody has ever produced an email demonstrating this thing you think of as a fact. There was one email by a DNC guy that was assigned to help Hillary's campaign (just like some DNC people were assigned to help Bernie's), and this one guy asked in an email if they would like to attack Bernie on religious grounds. The response was "no." That is it. That is all it took for people to craft the narrative that Hillary and the DNC stacked the deck against Bernie. Then that idiot Brazile gave Hillary's campaign advance notice of a single question, unsolicited, and it was a question everyone knew was coming anyway so it didn't even provide an advantage.

Just one of the many, many examples of complete bullshit that people unquestioningly believe about the she-beast.

The limited number of emails they got were enough as it shows a complete favoring of one candidate over another - god knows what was in emails that weren't hacked, all kinds of texts, phone calls, personal conversations... etc...

 

[dank69]

The limited number of emails they got were enough as it shows a complete favoring of one candidate over another - god knows what was in emails that weren't hacked, all kinds of texts, phone calls, personal conversations... etc...

You aren't listening. They got ALL the emails. You can look at every single email. I just told you about the ONLY email that when spun correctly could support your claim but when viewed objectively does not even come close to supporting it.

 

[fskimospy]

The limited number of emails they got were enough as it shows a complete favoring of one candidate over another - god knows what was in emails that weren't hacked, all kinds of texts, phone calls, personal conversations... etc...

Bernie had no chance to win the Democratic primary and it had nothing to do with the DNC. There's zero indication that any action by the DNC had any effect on the primary whatsoever.

Bernie lost by a lot. It was never close.

 

[Moonbeam]

Because they all worship themselves. It is of course not confined to politicians. As I said, they are just a reflection of us.

If as I say the origin of evil lies in language branding of children, it follows, I think, that some have been made to swallow greater of lesser lies about their self worthlessness. If so then people vary in the severity of this kind of delusional sickness. It seems to me then that the greater the force requited to break children, the greater the contempt they will feel for themselves and the greater that is the greater it will be for others. I believe that self hate is virtually universal but varies in the degree to which people act out, with some it becomes criminal in intent. I don't see everybody being equally cruel or equally suppressed in their willingness to do violence. So I don't really care that you slam democrats because to me that is conditioning. What I object to is if you try to justify it. To me that is one machine blaming another machine for being a machine. To forgive the other machine is to forgive yourself. Before that can even have a chance of happening there needs to be an end to blame.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Notice how the OP didn't respond when pushed on Citizen's United? Gotta protect that #bothsidesarethesame bubble.

What could have been, should have been...lets forget about all that for a moment. Lets not even get into where the massive funding for The Mrs came from. Lets forget about all that.

Talk about today, this day in year 2018. I quote again from that piece:
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There is a distinctive hierarchy to this donor dance: the bigger the contributor, the smaller the gathering. Billionaires and the biggest bundlers get almost limitless one-on-one time. The next tranche of mega-millionaires and political financiers get intimate dinners or office gatherings. Larger receptions are for standard-fare contributors.
--

So when they have these intimate one on ones, and dinners - you think they talk about brycejones and Noah Abrams? That hedge fund billionaire and his pet Dem politician, they talk about how this country can be made a more equal society? About the shitty public schools for lower middle class? You really believe that? Going by the sheer delusion of liberals, you just might. It won't surprise me.

Then again the typical liberal on this forum is the white upper middle class, divorced from the ugly reality of the Dees and the consequences. For him, its kind of assuaging the inner guilt....I stand for equality for all!!

 

[theeedude]

No one likes raising money. But if you don't you are not going to win, and you can't reform the system if you don't win. It's like chemotherapy. It's toxic, but killing cancer comes first. The Republican party is a cancer on America, it has to be defeated first.

 

[dank69]

What could have been, should have been...lets forget about all that for a moment. Lets not even get into where the massive funding for The Mrs came from. Lets forget about all that.

Talk about today, this day in year 2018. I quote again from that piece:
--
There is a distinctive hierarchy to this donor dance: the bigger the contributor, the smaller the gathering. Billionaires and the biggest bundlers get almost limitless one-on-one time. The next tranche of mega-millionaires and political financiers get intimate dinners or office gatherings. Larger receptions are for standard-fare contributors.
--

So when they have these intimate one on ones, and dinners - you think they talk about brycejones and Noah Abrams? That hedge fund billionaire and his pet Dem politician, they talk about how this country can be made a more equal society? About the shitty public schools for lower middle class? You really believe that? Going by the sheer delusion of liberals, you just might. It won't surprise me.

It doesn't matter. Rich people donate for a multitude of reasons. Even if you can prove they donated for the express purpose of gaining influence, which you can't, you still have to prove that they did indeed gain influence and again, you can't.

For example, Wall Street donated a ton of money to Obama in 2008. Then in 2012, they started donating most of it to Romney instead. Now we can all speculate on why this happened but I think it is most likely that they read the writing on the wall that the GOP was toast in 2008 and so decided to see if they could buy some influence from the Dems that were sure to have all the power soon. By 2012, they realized they weren't getting what they paid for and so went back to helping others that might be more sympathetic to their plight.

 

[Noah Abrams]

No one likes raising money. But if you don't you are not going to win, and you can't reform the system if you don't win.

Right. I will work against the drug cartels by getting into power. To get into power I need to raise money from the cartel.

You guys are funny for sure

 

[theeedude]

Right. I will work against the drug cartels by getting into power. To get into power I need to raise money from the cartel.
You guys are funny for sure

Ultimately, you have to look at the policy coming from each party. Republican appointees voted for Citizens United, and Democratic appointees voted against it. Republican appointees voted to allowed corporations to force workers into arbitration, Democrats voted against it. Republicans voted to create $1T deficit to pay for corporate tax cuts, Democrats voted against it. This is after all the money Democrats took from corporations, Democrats politicians still consistently vote against corporate interests and Republicans consistently vote for them.
If you can't see the difference, then maybe you can't see the difference between feces and peanut butter, because they are both brown and roughly same consistency. But there is one.

 

[Jhhnn]

The limited number of emails they got were enough as it shows a complete favoring of one candidate over another - god knows what was in emails that weren't hacked, all kinds of texts, phone calls, personal conversations... etc...

That's like a right wing conspiracy theory, only different. It's a success story for Vlad's boys.

 

[Moonbeam]

Bernie had no chance to win the Democratic primary and it had nothing to do with the DNC. There's zero indication that any action by the DNC had any effect on the primary whatsoever.

Bernie lost by a lot. It was never close.

I agree. The Clinton bias in the DNC was the same Clinton bias in democratic primary voters, the result of the liberal brain defect and the same inability to see it as conservatives are blind to their own. There is nothing like superior capacity for reasoning to when it comes to manufacturing a condescending sense of self superiority that over and over again costs liberals elections. All that is needed to defeat democrats like that is some titanic bozo to come along and tell them to fuck themselves in the ass. Liberals, the elite clown class.

 

[fskimospy]

I agree. The Clinton bias in the DNC was the same Clinton bias in democratic primary voters, the result of the liberal brain defect and the same inability to see it as conservatives are blind to their own. There is nothing like superior capacity for reasoning to when it comes to manufacturing a condescending sense of self superiority that over and over again costs liberals elections. All that is needed to defeat democrats like that is some titanic bozo to come along and tell them to fuck themselves in the ass. Liberals, the elite clown class.

Except of course there's zero evidence that people voted for Trump because they thought liberals were mean to them, haha.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Bernie had a big weakness in his primary campaign. He did not have what I call the BPM with him. Black Political Machine. A deep rooted, well oiled, very corrupt machine. The usual vermins like Al Sharpton, Sheila Jackson Lee etc are just some of the well known names, but the machine is down all the way to the local level. That machinery of course has always been in bed with the Clintons, a well known fact.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well you certainly didn't address my point and you in fact made it personal. And when I pointed out your failed logic you did the, "who me" routine and deflected once again. But you do go on with your straw man argument about being against people having feelings.

I read what you refer to as points and found them not to be points at all. I find that addressing points delivered as points when have no point to be tiresome to address. I therefore made up some non points to you that I felt reflected the relevance of your own content. You rejected that and I responded again and you rejected that. So here we are again. I see no point in addressing what you call points and I call pointlessness. Perhaps if you take what I said and make a point about it and show why it relates, I will have something to work with. As it stands, I see nothing to respond to. You are entitled to your opinion that you made a point. I just don't share that view.

 

[Moonbeam]

Bernie had a big weakness in his primary campaign. He did not have what I call the BPM with him. Black Political Machine. A deep rooted, well oiled, very corrupt machine. The usual vermins like Al Sharpton, Sheila Jackson Lee etc are just some of the well known names, but the machine is down all the way to the local level. That machinery of course has always been in bed with the Clintons, a well known fact.

I do not believe in messaging based on race. I believe we are in a class, not a race war. I believe that democratic focus on identity politics is part of why liberals lose elections. Messaging is everything. Sanders had the superior message in my opinion. I am deeply sympathetic to black suffering and understand why the issue of race seems more important to many than the fact that there are lots of not so very well off whites who are suffering too and that because of identity politics they feel they will be left behind. There is only one race, the human race. Class wars are won by dividing the majority class by race. That will happen. Liberals shouldn't feed that fire. Inclusion isn't words its action. Uniting people isn't talking about how bad division is. It's ending it.

 

[ivwshane]

You aren't listening. They got ALL the emails. You can look at every single email. I just told you about the ONLY email that when spun correctly could support your claim but when viewed objectively does not even come close to supporting it.

Facts simply don't matter when the feels are so strong.

 

[fskimospy]

I do not believe in messaging based on race. I believe we are in a class, not a race war. I believe that democratic focus on identity politics is part of why liberals lose elections. Messaging is everything. Sanders had the superior message in my opinion. I am deeply sympathetic to black suffering and understand why the issue of race seems more important to many than the fact that there are lots of not so very well off whites who are suffering too and that because of identity politics they feel they will be left behind. There is only one race, the human race. Class wars are won by dividing the majority class by race. That will happen. Liberals shouldn't feed that fire. Inclusion isn't words its action. Uniting people isn't talking about how bad division is. It's ending it.

It's odd to say that the Democrats lose elections because of their focus on identity politics when Trump won by running a campaign that was basically 100% identity politics.

Does it not count because Trump's identity politics were white identity politics?

 

[Moonbeam]

Except of course there's zero evidence that people voted for Trump because they thought liberals were mean to them, haha.

How does that apply to what I said? Where in what I said is the implication that people voted for Trump because liberals are mean to them? And as far as evidence goes, what evidence could I have presented when I knew from day one that Trump would win his primary? Was there any evidence. I bet none you saw but there was a world of it to me.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's odd to say that the Democrats lose elections because of their focus on identity politics when Trump won by running a campaign that was basically 100% identity politics.

Does it not count because Trump's identity politics were white identity politics?

Hardly odd. It explains everything. I just said that identity focus allows for dividing a majority class by race. Nobody will give a shit about race inequality if you fix class inequality without regard to race. This should be obvious. Are you pulling my leg?

 

[fskimospy]

How does that apply to what I said? Where in what I said is the implication that people voted for Trump because liberals are mean to them? And as far as evidence goes, what evidence could I have presented when I knew from day one that Trump would win his primary? Was there any evidence. I bet none you saw but there was a world of it to me.

Then how does this imagined self-superiority cost liberals elections?

 

[fskimospy]

Hardly odd. It explains everything. I just said that identity focus allows for dividing a majority class by race. Nobody will give a shit about race inequality if you fix class inequality without regard to race. This should be obvious. Are you pulling my leg?

No, I'm trying to understand your position which seems to defy all facts and evidence. The idea that people wouldn't care about racial inequality if you fixed class inequality is baffling. I'm not sure how anyone could actually believe that nonsense.