Yale student screaming at professor for not providing safe space

[UglyCasanova]

So I must have missed the memo: what was the costume that started the whole thing?

I felt very uncomfortable just watching that prof try to speak for himself surrounded by that mob.

There wasnt one, just an email sent out that told the students to dress nice and be pc, while another professor followed that email up basically saying we are all adults and it's not the school or anyone else's place to tell you what to wear (this follow up email is what sparked everything).

 

[BoberFett]

Y'all better get used to this.

This is "social justice", and the Democrats have hitched their cart to that wagon.

Black Lives Matter! Equal Pay for Equal Work!

Facts are irrelevant, only feelings matter.

 

[woolfe9998]

Y'all better get used to this.

This is "social justice", and the Democrats have hitched their cart to that wagon.

Black Lives Matter! Equal Pay for Equal Work!

Facts are irrelevant, only feelings matter.

I'm going to listen to someone from the political right lecturing about how "facts" are supposed to matter more than "feelings."

Pardon me while I go lose my lunch.

 

[BoberFett]

I'm going to listen to someone from the political right lecturing about how "facts" are supposed to matter more than "feelings."

Pardon me while I go lose my lunch.

 

[Texashiker]

I happen to agree with you. Unfortunately, you are the same guy who posted a thread about "finding closure" with a high school teacher who hurt your feelings 27 years ago, so I guess this is a "do as I say, not as I do" situation.

That was about a teacher who forced his religious beliefs on students.

And yes, I was angry about a teacher who punished students for actions that were supposed to be prohibited by law.

 

[glenn1]

I'm going to listen to someone from the political right lecturing about how "facts" are supposed to matter more than "feelings."

Pardon me while I go lose my lunch.

When you're in university facts are supposed to matter more. If they don't for you or these protesters then they're in the wrong place. The feeling that a university president should be personally involved anytime an anecdotal incidence of racism occurs is asinine especially when you're talking about 3 events in the collective remembered history of the protesters at a university that enrolls over 35,000.

 

[Subyman]

I'm going to listen to someone from the political right lecturing about how "facts" are supposed to matter more than "feelings."

Pardon me while I go lose my lunch.

The mexicans are going to pay for those facts.

 

[woolfe9998]

When you're in university facts are supposed to matter more. If they don't for you or these protesters then they're in the wrong place. The feeling that a university president should be personally involved anytime an anecdotal incidence of racism occurs is asinine especially when you're talking about 3 events in the collective remembered history of the protesters at a university that enrolls over 35,000.

Yeah, facts should always matter and feelings should be kept in check. Tell that to the "war on Christmas" crowd. Or the birther crowd. Or the global warming denial crowd.

I'm not really disagreeing with anything you're saying about this particular incident. But I find it rather nauseating to hear it being translated into generalizations about "the left," "liberals" or "democrats." Not only is it apparent that practically no liberal on this entire forum supports what these particular students were doing (speaking of Yale here in particular), but there are way too many problems with denying reality on the right for that to not come across as rank hypocrisy.

The fact is, we're better off now then we were 60 years ago when it comes to tolerance of race, gender and sexual preference. Yet some people take it too far to the point where it becomes stifling. It's tough to find the perfect middle ground between being just vigilant enough and being hyper-vigilant. People tend to run to extremes rather than finding happy mediums. However, from where I sit this extreme is a heck of a lot better than the opposite extreme.

Regardless, conservatives with their tendency to operate on emotion (for example, voting for idiots who they "like" instead of competent candidates) and ignoring facts are causing much greater problems than college campuses being too PC. There are many issues more damaging than this, and conservatives are on the wrong side of too many of them.

 

[glenn1]

Yeah, facts should always matter and feelings should be kept in check. Tell that to the "war on Christmas" crowd. Or the birther crowd. Or the global warming denial crowd.

I'm not really disagreeing with anything you're saying about this particular incident. But I find it rather nauseating to hear it being translated into generalizations about "the left," "liberals" or "democrats." Not only is it apparent that practically no liberal on this entire forum supports what these particular students were doing (speaking of Yale here in particular), but there are way too many problems with denying reality on the right for that to not come across as rank hypocrisy.

The fact is, we're better off now then we were 60 years ago when it comes to tolerance of race, gender and sexual preference. Yet some people take it too far to the point where it becomes stifling. It's tough to find the perfect happy medium between being just vigilant enough and being hyper-vigilant. People tend to run to extremes rather than finding happy mediums. However, from where I sit this extreme is a heck of a lot better than the opposite extreme.

Regardless, conservatives with their tendency to operate on emotion (for example, voting for idiots who they "like" instead of competent candidates) and ignoring facts are causing much greater problems than college campuses being too PC. There are many issues more damaging than this, and conservatives are on the wrong side of too many of them.

I'll be happy to tell the War on Christmas crowd and have. And the "denier" crowd is actually correct on the policy question which makes the scientific question mostly moot. As for conservatives "ignoring facts" and "operating on emotion" I'll leave you with your misguided and simplistic opinions since it's immaterial to the discussion at hand.

 

[woolfe9998]

I'll be happy to tell the War on Christmas crowd and have. And the "denier" crowd is actually correct on the policy question which makes the scientific question mostly moot. As for conservatives "ignoring facts" and "operating on emotion" I'll leave you with your misguided and simplistic opinions since it's immaterial to the discussion at hand.

It's only "material" because boberfett made that particular remark. I didn't make who is relying on facts vs. emotions an issue. I only replied.

 

[kylef]

This student's playbook is right out of the PC Principal caricature on South Park. Amazing how that show remains relevant. For a while it looked like the whole PC movement was abating. Now it's back in force, louder and more hypocritical than ever.

 

[Newell Steamer]

And this would not be an issue if this was a Christian screaming like that.

In fact, it would be automatically deemed as oppression of Christianity and a war on Christianity.

 

[Jaskalas]

A movement is arising, undirected and driven largely by students, to scrub campuses clean of words, ideas, and subjects that might cause discomfort or give offense.

Kim Jong-un knows how they feel.
He holds an entire nation to that very cause.

 

[UglyCasanova]

It just keeps getting better.

Highly recommend watching the video about the photographer being bullied. Why set up shop in the middle of campus if you are wanting privacy and a "safe space"?

 

[glenn1]

It's only "material" because boberfett made that particular remark. I didn't make who is relying on facts vs. emotions an issue. I only replied.

He can properly question the means used while still being wrong on whether the ends like "Black Lives Matter" or "Pay Equality" are worthwhile. On the more narrow context of this story, I'm saddened but not surprised that incredibly privileged Yale students are choosing a trivial issue to make into a symbol of oppression. Still that only shows me they have the youthful quality of lack of perspective and holistic thinking to properly that would prevent them from turning a harmless email into a major cause. They won't be the first to blow something out of proportion nor the last.

 

[master_shake_]

It just keeps getting better.

Highly recommend watching the video about the photographer being bullied. Why set up shop in the middle of campus if you are wanting privacy and a "safe space"?

At the University of Missouri, student activists succeeded this week in forcing the resignation of President Timothy M. Wolfe, charging that he has not done enough to address persistent racism on campus. Tim Tai, a University of Missouri student, got a freelance assignment from ESPN to photograph the reaction of victorious activists at the tent city they set up in a public area of campus. As a matter of law, he had an indisputable First Amendment right to photograph events transpiring outdoors on public property.
But student activists did not want their tent city or the people in it photographed, and forcibly prevented him from taking pictures. “We ask for no media in the parameters so the place where people live, fellowship, and sleep can be protected from twisted insincere narratives,” a Twitter account associated with the activists later declared, adding that “it’s typically white media who don’t understand the importance of respecting black spaces.” Tim Tai is Asian American.

your rights stop where my feelings begin.

 

[Brainonska511]

It just keeps getting better.

Highly recommend watching the video about the photographer being bullied. Why set up shop in the middle of campus if you are wanting privacy and a "safe space"?

It's just like Orwell's doublethink. Twisting the meaning if words to bully people. As someone with fairly liberal views, seeing crap like this from supposed liberals makes me face palm.

 

[cyclohexane]

Are you insinuating that these complaints are coming from conservatives? If so, why? If not, why bring this up?

Because it's not really a conservative vs liberal issue but a generational issue. Met plenty of conservative young people who act very similarly - entitled, arrogant, and demand other people go out of their way to accommodate them.

Substitute "I demand that you create a safe space" for "I demand that you respect my religious beliefs that these gay gays go away"

Same shit, different packaging.

 

[Subyman]

I'm trying to keep an open mind on the Missouri issue. I've talked to a friend that goes there and from what I've heard from them is that the media isn't doing a good job breaking down the events that happened. It isn't just one issue, there are many different groups getting together around many different reasons with the recent racist slurs and inflammatory graffiti just being the catalyst.

Supposedly the university cut all grad student health care benefits and told the grad union to "deal with it." There have been countless episodes of racial disparagement happening on the campus with no recourse. The university's response to the Ferguson issue was underwhelming. The biggest issue seemed to be that the current administration simply didn't care. There weren't good ways to report grievances and nothing ever got done if someone did report something. The recent events were the breaking point it seems.

 

[IGBT]

some of these so called "students" have been on the campus for seven years. Who's paying for this??

 

[IGBT]

I'm trying to keep an open mind on the Missouri issue. I've talked to a friend that goes there and from what I've heard from them is that the media isn't doing a good job breaking down the events that happened. It isn't just one issue, there are many different groups getting together around many different reasons with the recent racist slurs and inflammatory graffiti just being the catalyst.

Supposedly the university cut all grad student health care benefits and told the grad union to "deal with it." There have been countless episodes of racial disparagement happening on the campus with no recourse. The university's response to the Ferguson issue was underwhelming. The biggest issue seemed to be that the current administration simply didn't care. There weren't good ways to report grievances and nothing ever got done if someone did report something. The recent events were the breaking point it seems.

..they weren't told the truth about ferguson. They were never told that "hands up don't shoot"...never happened. It was a holder / obama / liberal media lie.

 

[Screech]

I'm trying to keep an open mind on the Missouri issue. I've talked to a friend that goes there and from what I've heard from them is that the media isn't doing a good job breaking down the events that happened. It isn't just one issue, there are many different groups getting together around many different reasons with the recent racist slurs and inflammatory graffiti just being the catalyst.

Supposedly the university cut all grad student health care benefits and told the grad union to "deal with it." There have been countless episodes of racial disparagement happening on the campus with no recourse. The university's response to the Ferguson issue was underwhelming. The biggest issue seemed to be that the current administration simply didn't care. There weren't good ways to report grievances and nothing ever got done if someone did report something. The recent events were the breaking point it seems.

Yeah from the sound of it there were plenty of reasons to find the administration there to be lacking. That said, the nonsense that the people in the video say where the protesters are pushing the photographer(s) is absolutely mindless. The media professor who ends with the line "I need some muscle" while trying to get a photographer removed -- after asking for media to cover the protests no less!!!--is probably out of a job, and for good reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRlRAyulN4o

 

[Jaskalas]

*cough

 

[glenn1]

I'm trying to keep an open mind on the Missouri issue. I've talked to a friend that goes there and from what I've heard from them is that the media isn't doing a good job breaking down the events that happened. It isn't just one issue, there are many different groups getting together around many different reasons with the recent racist slurs and inflammatory graffiti just being the catalyst.

Supposedly the university cut all grad student health care benefits and told the grad union to "deal with it." There have been countless episodes of racial disparagement happening on the campus with no recourse. The university's response to the Ferguson issue was underwhelming. The biggest issue seemed to be that the current administration simply didn't care. There weren't good ways to report grievances and nothing ever got done if someone did report something. The recent events were the breaking point it seems.

All the news articles I've seen including those written by protesters mention like 3 specific instances of racial disparagement, not 'countless.' And why should the university have any response at all to Ferguson whether underwhelming or not? The university isn't an editorial writer for a newspaper and it's not really any of the university's business just because Ferguson is in the same state (albeit 120 miles away from the college).

 

[Jaskalas]

All the news articles I've seen including those written by protesters mention like 3 specific instances of racial disparagement, not 'countless.' And why should the university have any response at all to Ferguson whether underwhelming or not? The university isn't an editorial writer for a newspaper and it's not really any of the university's business just because Ferguson is in the same state (albeit 120 miles away from the college).

Ferguson?
But don't you know, Michale Brown's "right" to rob stores and kill police officers is the civil rights issue of our time!