Yale student screaming at professor for not providing safe space

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yeah from the sound of it there were plenty of reasons to find the administration there to be lacking. That said, the nonsense that the people in the video say where the protesters are pushing the photographer(s) is absolutely mindless. The media professor who ends with the line "I need some muscle" while trying to get a photographer removed -- after asking for media to cover the protests no less!!!--is probably out of a job, and for good reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRlRAyulN4o

The irony here is that the University of Missouri has one of the largest and oldest schools of Journalism in the world.

 

[woolfe9998]

He can properly question the means used while still being wrong on whether the ends like "Black Lives Matter" or "Pay Equality" are worthwhile. On the more narrow context of this story, I'm saddened but not surprised that incredibly privileged Yale students are choosing a trivial issue to make into a symbol of oppression. Still that only shows me they have the youthful quality of lack of perspective and holistic thinking to properly that would prevent them from turning a harmless email into a major cause. They won't be the first to blow something out of proportion nor the last.

We don't disagree in our assessment of the incident at all. Young people in this culture tend to want to be coddled. This is an inevitable consequence of living in a prosperous society where people's basic needs are usually met, certainly so for young people going to college. So we have a generation containing many spoiled kids who are hypersensitive about bigotry. Probably better than living in some third world craphole where kids would never complain about something like this because they're wondering where their next meal is coming from.

You'll notice there are few people on the left here who agree with this behavior. Probably because almost every liberal on this board is beyond college age. Most of these kids will gain some perspective and get a clue after they have some experience in the real world.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Ah, the photographer was just ignorant of how the other students were feeling at the time.

 

[HumblePie]

These are some dipshit Yale students. I just can't believe how badly they are acting over this. The fact that Yale is meant to be an ivy league school filled with the best and the brightest; this incident beleaguers that statement. Their behavior is deplorable.

 

[momeNt]

Is this not the logical conclusion of removing the second amendment, the war on drugs, the enlargement of the police state? We have added administrators at every level and encumbered ourselves with politicians and administrators dedicated to hearing the loudest voices in the room.

This generation has perfected getting their voice heard, and has brought about incredible action by using administrators and politicians to their full, and often devastating potential.

So what began nearly 100 years ago with the government response to crisis and the beginning of federal programs, has now reaching a level that will continue to increase until facebook and twitter have reached a more universal adoption. Everything is a crisis, and every administrator, and politician is listening.

God help us all, we all knew that government and authority was an incredibly powerful tool, but never knew how to wield it until now.

 

[master_shake_]

Ah, the photographer was just ignorant of how the other students were feeling at the time.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37824833&postcount=116

called it

 

[Ackmed]

From a black Missouri football player;

Only a minority knows what it feels like to be a minority on campus

What about how a minority feels on a football team? It keeps being brought up that the campus is mostly white, yet the football team doesn't reflect that. He's not the minority there. All the time we hear that police departments should reflect the ethnicity of the town, or that college staff should have a more ethnic percentage, a certain number of this or that to make it more even and fair. Why not give out football scholarships this way? Whats fair is fair huh? Nope, no cries for that. No cries that there are more black football scholarships for basketball and football. Pretty hypocritical of the people crying for equality to not ask for it everywhere.

The university's response to the Ferguson issue was underwhelming.

What was the University supposed to do?

Ferguson?
But don't you know, Michale Brown's "right" to rob stores and kill police officers is the civil rights issue of our time!

Black Lives Matter leader defends the rights to loot, speaking at Yale even.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/0...efends-looting-in-yale-lecture/?intcmp=hplnws

The mystifying ideological claim that looting is violent and non-political is one that has been carefully produced by the ruling class because it is precisely the violent maintenance of property which is both the basis and end of their power

On a less abstract level there is a practical and tactical benefit to looting. Whenever people worry about looting, there is an implicit sense that the looter must necessarily be acting selfishly, ‘opportunistically,’ and in excess.

According to BLM, lootings is ok. Burning down businesses is ok. This is what is being taught to our youth. This is what they are paying for.

 

[Blue_Max]

Meh, I'll still take a generation that's overly impassioned for the consideration of others vs. a generation defending willful inconsideration regardless if the arguments are loudly shouted or well written. And that email reEks of being written by someone who never encountered a Halloween costume that's a caricature of herself.

I was wondering how many posts it would take for the apologists to come out and defend her... yours is the closest to that mark.

The problem most people have with these "overly impassioned" is that they are only considering the 'oppressions' (imagined or real) of SOME - not all.

They're quite fine with trampling the rights of some to provide extra consideration to others. The 'trampled' and 'coddled' will vary from day to day depending on mood, with the sole exception of white cis males who will ALWAYS be trampled - no exceptions.

 

[Blue_Max]

You got a problem bro?

I absolutely LOVE that South Park has dedicated this entire season to blasting these leftist PC extremists. They tackled fat-shaming and the banning of negative tweets a couple weeks ago.

 

[Genx87]

I absolutely LOVE that South Park has dedicated this entire season to blasting these leftist PC extremists. They tackled fat-shaming and the banning of negative tweets a couple weeks ago.

When they get around to Yale and Missouri it should be pretty epic.

 

[glenn1]

I was wondering how many posts it would take for the apologists to come out and defend her... yours is the closest to that mark.

The problem most people have with these "overly impassioned" is that they are only considering the 'oppressions' (imagined or real) of SOME - not all.

They're quite fine with trampling the rights of some to provide extra consideration to others. The 'trampled' and 'coddled' will vary from day to day depending on mood, with the sole exception of white cis males who will ALWAYS be trampled - no exceptions.

It's not "trampling" to provide extra consideration for others. I'm quite happy we've moved away from years past where you could wear a Sambo costume for Halloween and get lots of laughs. But likewise it's completely idiotic when authority figures (like university leaders) need to send out reminders to folks to "not act like jerks" and others get angry if that patronizing reminder isn't worded correctly or someone suggests it's unnecessary and condescending to send out such a reminder.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Mizzou police want you to report any hurtful speech. Remember, it's not against the law but there are still ways to go after them;

 

[TechBoyJK]

Mizzou police want you to report any hurtful speech. Remember, it's not against the law but there are still ways to go after them;

That's not going to backfire.



HEEEE CALLED ME A WHITE BOY!!! IM OFFENDED

 

[Exophase]

These days it feels like the most offensive thing you can do is suggest people show less outrage and not let things get to them as much. I swear this gets people hating and screaming at you more effectively than actually saying or doing the things they say are offensive.

EDIT: I had issues with a Washington Post article that were probably not really issues but me confusing them with other cases, edited out my complaints against the media re: that...

 

[Blue_Max]

OMG... that video was just painful to watch... "Snowflake" (and a few friends shouting "yeah" along with her) just making a ridiculous spectacle.

Did you hear how many disclaimers the prof had to make in regard to raising his voice just to be heard by all and not be considered "yelling at her"?

I'm willing to wager money this was a project for school credit in a gender-studies/social-issues type class.

"This school isn't about creating an intellectual space, it's about feeling like a home!" Oh... just priceless.

 

[Subyman]

All the news articles I've seen including those written by protesters mention like 3 specific instances of racial disparagement, not 'countless.' And why should the university have any response at all to Ferguson whether underwhelming or not? The university isn't an editorial writer for a newspaper and it's not really any of the university's business just because Ferguson is in the same state (albeit 120 miles away from the college).

Good for you that you found three. I'm relaying what the person said. Not everything is having a story written about it. I have a family member who had a ridiculous thing happen to them while at college and had a law suit yet there was never media coverage that you could look up.

 

[Victorian Gray]

These days it feels like the most offensive thing you can do is suggest people show less outrage and not let things get to them as much. I swear this gets people hating and screaming at you more effectively than actually saying or doing the things they say are offensive.



The media ruins everything. Like in that Washington Post article linked earlier in the thread (this one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-in-mo-after-swastika-drawn-with-human-feces/). They cited a case of nooses hanging from trees at Duke that was already shown to be leftover strings from paper lanterns. And they cited "blackface parties" - I don't even know what they're talking about specifically because their link is a 404 (in a 4 day old article!) but they're probably talking about the UCLA Kanye Western party where people put black smudges on their faces to look like gold diggers, not black people.

There are all these real issues with bigotry and tension out there and in some ways it's getting worse. It really sucks that the media makes a mockery out of it by latching to whatever most sensational story they can find, which allows misunderstandings and outright hoaxes to float to the top more easily than anything. And they don't even stop reporting it after they're revealed to be such. End result is that people either get flared up over the wrong things or they lose faith in anything they hear about and get flared up over nothing. The whole thing is just miserable.

I'm ashamed that I even have to think this, but given what's out there I'm not even sure this feces swastika incident isn't a hoax. Wouldn't be the first time someone did a hoax with swastikas, unfortunately.

noose on tree at Duke? Student admitted to hanging it.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/us/north-carolina-duke-noose/

blackface parties and 'thug' parties? here's a few (plus 'Asian' and 'Mexican' stereotype parties as well)

eg.

http://www.thegloss.com/2014/10/17/...ollege-parties-blackface-mexican-stereotypes/

 

[Exophase]

Kind of funny and sad how the youtube videos have such a terrible up:down vote ratio, seeing as how the organization that shot and uploaded them (FIRE) did it to highlight their concern with the protestors. Talk about shooting the messenger.

 

[Exophase]

noose on tree at Duke? Student admitted to hanging it.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/us/north-carolina-duke-noose/

You're right, I was confusing it with this one: http://www.mediaite.com/online/blac...st-nooses-that-were-actually-lantern-hangers/ I did some googling to check it and came up with some bad hits that tied that to Duke.

blackface parties and 'thug' parties? here's a few (plus 'Asian' and 'Mexican' stereotype parties as well)

eg.

http://www.thegloss.com/2014/10/17/...ollege-parties-blackface-mexican-stereotypes/

Is that really what they were talking about though? While there's multiple cases of blackface there the one called a "blackface party" was from 14 years ago.. I dunno, I guess I'd like to know what was on the page they linked.

 

[Blue_Max]

Ha! Another youtuber pointed out something fun... her SJW supporters were not clapping (TRIGGERS!!!) and 'jazz hands' never took off, so the new thing is snapping your fingers for support.

Laaaaaaaame.

 

[adamantine.me]

Kind of funny and sad how the youtube videos have such a terrible up:down vote ratio, seeing as how the organization that shot and uploaded them (FIRE) did it to highlight their concern with the protestors. Talk about shooting the messenger.

I guess they just clicked whatever aligned with the emotion they were feeling.

What, you mean both sides have feelings and "temporarily forget" facts?

 

[Sulaco]

Yeah, facts should always matter and feelings should be kept in check. Tell that to the "war on Christmas" crowd. Or the birther crowd. Or the global warming denial crowd.

I'm not really disagreeing with anything you're saying about this particular incident. But I find it rather nauseating to hear it being translated into generalizations about "the left," "liberals" or "democrats." Not only is it apparent that practically no liberal on this entire forum supports what these particular students were doing (speaking of Yale here in particular), but there are way too many problems with denying reality on the right for that to not come across as rank hypocrisy.

The fact is, we're better off now then we were 60 years ago when it comes to tolerance of race, gender and sexual preference. Yet some people take it too far to the point where it becomes stifling. It's tough to find the perfect middle ground between being just vigilant enough and being hyper-vigilant. People tend to run to extremes rather than finding happy mediums. However, from where I sit this extreme is a heck of a lot better than the opposite extreme.

Regardless, conservatives with their tendency to operate on emotion (for example, voting for idiots who they "like" instead of competent candidates) and ignoring facts are causing much greater problems than college campuses being too PC. There are many issues more damaging than this, and conservatives are on the wrong side of too many of them.

Read Newell Steamer's nauseatingly vapid, inane posts in this thread and you'll see there are in fact fools on these boards who defend and equivocate for this kind of nonsense.

 

[boomerang]

Mizzou Students Revolted Over Four 'Racist' Incidents. There's No Evidence Three of Them Happened.

So as of now, it's looking like we have at the least, yet another ginned up outrage based in nearly nothing. Which is an improvement over some previous ginned up outrages that were found to be based in nothing whatsoever.

Having said that, if students at college campuses want to adopt fascist methodologies and have free speech curtailed, let them have at it. We are witnessing the demise of the progressive movement. We can just sit back and watch the progs cannibalize each other on college campuses across the nation.

Ran across the following this morning.

The Left Eats Its Own at MU

 

[TechBoyJK]

Crazy Click resigned from her 'post'.

Hasn't resigned her actual job yet.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/1...to-block-student-reporter-from-taking-photos/

 

[UglyCasanova]

What about the Greek Life woman? She was equally culpable, and was even pushing the kid.