Yale student screaming at professor for not providing safe space

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HumblePie

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Read Newell Steamer's nauseatingly vapid, inane posts in this thread and you'll see there are in fact fools on these boards who defend and equivocate for this kind of nonsense.

I believe Newell tends to purposefully troll. He has admitted as much. He does tend to go over the top with his troll posts so you can hopefully identify them, but there are times when he is serious and not trolling. Which is the scary part. I find it humorous because I refuse to be baited by him :)
 

boomerang

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Missouri Student Body President Payton Head Linked to Obama

Payton Head is the little turd that made up the story about the KKK being on campus. What does an up and coming community organizer do when he needs a crisis and he needs it now? He creates one.

The University of Missouri’s student body president, Payton Head, is apologizing “for scaring everybody with false KKK on campus rumor.”
It was a rough night on the campus of the University of Missouri, thanks in large part to Student Body President Payton Head. Head posted on Facebook earlier in the night that the KKK was confirmed on campus and that he was working with “the MUPD, the state trooper and the National Guard.”

The only problem with that terrifying statement is it wasn’t true and Head was forced to delete the post and apologize:​
 
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Missouri Student Body President Payton Head Linked to Obama

Payton Head is the little turd that made up the story about the KKK being on campus. What does an up and coming community organizer do when he needs a crisis and he needs it now? He creates one.

Oh how nice. How about resigning from that Student Body position now that you already got the president of the university to resign for your stupid fucking lies?

Seriously, lies like this need to be burned at the stakes. He has incited rioting, and has forced people to resign. They need to be held accountable for the shit they say.
 

werepossum

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Meh, I'll still take a generation that's overly impassioned for the consideration of others vs. a generation defending willful inconsideration regardless if the arguments are loudly shouted or well written. And that email reaks of being written by someone who never encountered a Halloween costume that's a caricature of herself.
The point is that these delicate little flowers don't give a rat fart about other people; they are concerned totally with what they want. There is zero consideration of others, only a mindless group think. And in their twisted view, anyone who does not march 100% in line with their views is the enemy and must be punished. Fuck individual liberty, fuck freedom, fuck free speech - fire them and if possible, imprison them, for disagreeing with them is a violent offense in their eyes. This is where liberalism has split into liberals and progressives, and unfortunately progressives are winning far too often.
 

werepossum

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Yeah, facts should always matter and feelings should be kept in check. Tell that to the "war on Christmas" crowd. Or the birther crowd. Or the global warming denial crowd.

I'm not really disagreeing with anything you're saying about this particular incident. But I find it rather nauseating to hear it being translated into generalizations about "the left," "liberals" or "democrats." Not only is it apparent that practically no liberal on this entire forum supports what these particular students were doing (speaking of Yale here in particular), but there are way too many problems with denying reality on the right for that to not come across as rank hypocrisy.

The fact is, we're better off now then we were 60 years ago when it comes to tolerance of race, gender and sexual preference. Yet some people take it too far to the point where it becomes stifling. It's tough to find the perfect middle ground between being just vigilant enough and being hyper-vigilant. People tend to run to extremes rather than finding happy mediums. However, from where I sit this extreme is a heck of a lot better than the opposite extreme.

Regardless, conservatives with their tendency to operate on emotion (for example, voting for idiots who they "like" instead of competent candidates) and ignoring facts are causing much greater problems than college campuses being too PC. There are many issues more damaging than this, and conservatives are on the wrong side of too many of them.
On the face of it, sure, but I'm no longer sure that is true. As The Atlantic article points out, this is being institutionalized; future generations are going to grow up knowing nothing else unless this is successfully opposed. And this behavior is most common in places like Yale - places where our future leaders are educated. (Or not, as may be.) Sure, students in community colleges have a lot more sense, but these students will be the ones making and interpreting our laws. Vastly more powerful politicians and federal judges come from places like Yale than from community colleges, and one thing about which virtually every one of these elites is firmly convinced is his/her own superiority to those not so "well educated". If this movement continues its course undiverted, it has the potential to erase everything for which America has stood - free speech, individual liberty, equal rights, self defense, you name it.

You assume that these kids will "grow up" once they hit the real world, but there are two potential problems here. First, if there are enough of them, with enough influence, then the real world will bend to accommodate their way of thinking. Look at slavery - the most powerful people of their time could not keep things the way they were once the people decided otherwise. There is no particular reason this power can only make things better. (Although I would agree it's certainly easier to move society in a better direction because we are all born with an innate sense of decency and fairness.)

Second, those who cannot cope with the real world will return to academia. They will be the ones who get master's and doctorates and thus the teaching and administrative positions, which means they will be the ones who set the rules under which future generations are educated, and their time in the real world will only embitter them and convince them that the real world needs to be changed to accommodate people like themselves. Very, very few people are going to teach that the rules under which they could not compete are the proper way to rule a society.
 

Pulsar

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The point is that these delicate little flowers don't give a rat fart about other people; they are concerned totally with what they want. There is zero consideration of others, only a mindless group think. And in their twisted view, anyone who does not march 100% in line with their views is the enemy and must be punished. Fuck individual liberty, fuck freedom, fuck free speech - fire them and if possible, imprison them, for disagreeing with them is a violent offense in their eyes. This is where liberalism has split into liberals and progressives, and unfortunately progressives are winning far too often.

Delicate little flowers is a very good description of them. While researching this I found out (from a number of sources) that the vast majority of kids who attend Yale attend private prep schools, etc.

It's not a far step to realize that these kids never had an opportunity to grow up. Sheltered by their parent's money, protected by highly structured lives, then shuttled off to prep schools where every minute is monitored.

Then they go to a school like Yale, where they have actual professors assigned to keep these delicate little flowers comfortable and make them feel at home.

Is it any surprise, really, that these pampered children end up acting like spoiled brats that are completely out of touch with the real world?
 

werepossum

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Awesome, thanks. Damn, haven't taken The Atlantic in over thirty years, now I may have to start again.

I happen to agree with you. Unfortunately, you are the same guy who posted a thread about "finding closure" with a high school teacher who hurt your feelings 27 years ago, so I guess this is a "do as I say, not as I do" situation.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2363673
I hella hate (/Cartman) the idea of closure. We have a close friend divorced after a long marriage who is always going on about closure. No one should vest control of their happiness into anyone not voluntarily building that happiness with you. Just get the fuck over it - whatever IT may be - and live your life. Unfortunately we're now seeing young people (mostly but not all from privileged backgrounds) who celebrate being unable to get over anything; anything less than having their way in everything is a catastrophe the likes of which make life itself hardly bearable.
 

werepossum

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Delicate little flowers is a very good description of them. While researching this I found out (from a number of sources) that the vast majority of kids who attend Yale attend private prep schools, etc.

It's not a far step to realize that these kids never had an opportunity to grow up. Sheltered by their parent's money, protected by highly structured lives, then shuttled off to prep schools where every minute is monitored.

Then they go to a school like Yale, where they have actual professors assigned to keep these delicate little flowers comfortable and make them feel at home.

Is it any surprise, really, that these pampered children end up acting like spoiled brats that are completely out of touch with the real world?
That wouldn't bother me at all except that people attending places like Yale tend to become our leaders, thus giving them a viable alternative to growing up: imposing their vision on the rest of us.
 

crashtech

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I didn't leave my culture, my culture left me. But such will be their fate too, someday.
 

1prophet

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That wouldn't bother me at all except that people attending places like Yale tend to become our leaders, thus giving them a viable alternative to growing up: imposing their vision on the rest of us.


Nature abhors a vacuum, if Americans don't fix their divisive foolishness soon there are those that can and will take their place in the near future and they won't give a damn how all the special snowflakes feel about it.

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werepossum

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The really, really scary thing is how the mainstream media takes everything they say as Gospel; even things they later have to admit were lies are never rolled back in the media. When your main source of information for most people is this deep in social justice warfare group think, it's difficult to see how we survive with any semblance of our American heritage. Hell, even just saying "American heritage" without immediately denouncing it would probably be enough to get me fired from a top flight university.
 

werepossum

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Nature abhors a vacuum, if Americans don't fix their divisive foolishness soon there are those that can and will take their place in the near future and they won't give a damn how all the special snowflakes feel about it.

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Sadly I think these particular snowflakes would be all in favor of that - until they learn that useful idiots when no longer needed are merely idiots, anyway.
 

Blanky

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There are so many people in this thread being microaggressive that I no longer feel safe in it.
 

Genx87

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I was wondering about this as well. Everybody was reporting these allegations as fact. I was curious if this wasnt an orchestrated series of events. Should be interesting to see if anybody can uncover any information if these events actually happened.

If anybody has the courage to dig into this and uncover this whole thing is based on lies. This is going to be an epic implosion.
 
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http://www.vox.com/2015/11/11/9715194/college-speech-censorship

I know this particular story is older and a little bit before the rise of social media, but it's interesting to see - groups in power find all sorts of justification to suppress speech they don't like.

Just look at Ben Carson - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-carson-police-speech-colleges_5627b787e4b02f6a900eebbb
"I actually have something I would use the Department of Education to do," Carson responded. "It would be to monitor our institutions of higher education for extreme political bias and deny federal funding if it exists."
He'd push for a federal department to police speech and use the power of withholding money to suppress speech he finds offensive.

These people, both the ones screaming at the professor at Yale, the groups trying to keep the media out at Missouri, and conservative actors from days past and present don't really believe in the Constitution and the 1st Amendment's protection of free speech and press. They only care about that when it's their view that is facing suppression, but they are more than happy to bludgeon dissidents into silence when they are in control.

College students do not need to be coddled and colleges need to stand up for academic freedom and allow different people the opportunities to speak and debate in a civil fashion. But college students (and frankly, a lot of post-college students) do need to learn that facing alternative views is part of life and you need to be able to deal with that in the real world.

I was wondering about this as well. Everybody was reporting these allegations as fact. I was curious if this wasnt an orchestrated series of events. Should be interesting to see if anybody can uncover any information if these events actually happened.

If anybody has the courage to dig into this and uncover this whole thing is based on lies. This is going to be an epic implosion.
You probably want to check out this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2454228
 

realibrad

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Sadly I think these particular snowflakes would be all in favor of that - until they learn that useful idiots when no longer needed are merely idiots, anyway.

We have people way too polarized on all sides. Just about every group out there hates and looks down on the other. Most people, given power, would gladly use it to "fix" the other side.

Hopefully people calm the fuck down and start talking shit out. If not, then things will come to a head and a side will win.
 

glenn1

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http://www.vox.com/2015/11/11/9715194/college-speech-censorship

I know this particular story is older and a little bit before the rise of social media, but it's interesting to see - groups in power find all sorts of justification to suppress speech they don't like.

Just look at Ben Carson - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-carson-police-speech-colleges_5627b787e4b02f6a900eebbb
He'd push for a federal department to police speech and use the power of withholding money to suppress speech he finds offensive.

If it's a public university I could see a version of the Hatch Act or some portion of it being applied to university staff and faculty. IMHO it's an abuse of power for a professor to solicit funds for political candidates, urge students to vote for a particular candidate during lessons, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch_Act_of_1939
 

Harabec

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I don't see how this will ever go away unless the american way of life becomes unsustainable and these babies have to cope with tough decisions and - maybe - learn the value of being sensible about the world and its different people.

Looking at this as an outsider, well it reads like an Onion piece. Hard to belive such people actually exist in the "top" universities.
 

BoberFett

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And this would not be an issue if this was a Christian screaming like that.

In fact, it would be automatically deemed as oppression of Christianity and a war on Christianity.

Look at Cleveland Steamer, so proud of "liberals" becoming just like the religious right.
 

BoberFett

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Because it's not really a conservative vs liberal issue but a generational issue. Met plenty of conservative young people who act very similarly - entitled, arrogant, and demand other people go out of their way to accommodate them.

Substitute "I demand that you create a safe space" for "I demand that you respect my religious beliefs that these gay gays go away"

Same shit, different packaging.

And then people wonder why I say both sides are the same.