Yale student screaming at professor for not providing safe space

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TechBoyJK

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Last year or whenever that was, Mizzou was a spearhead in tolerance of homosexual preferences. I don't understand how now, all of a sudden, it's thrown in this turmoil of being an intolerant environment. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

That's why I find fault in these protests. They're abrasive, heavy handed, delusional, and are creating far more conflict then they intended to resolve.

Yea, of course the intentions might be good... but I can make the same argument about invading Iraq.
 

Exophase

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Last year or whenever that was, Mizzou was a spearhead in tolerance of homosexual preferences. I don't understand how now, all of a sudden, it's thrown in this turmoil of being an intolerant environment. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

The federal legalization of gay marriage flipped this big switch in people's minds. Suddenly homophobia is not viewed as nearly as the problem it used to be. Therefore, being progressive in tolerating homosexual preferences suddenly doesn't count for much.

Imagine if you said there was a campus that was well known for tolerating Jews. Maybe that'd have meant something 60 years ago but today people would be more suspicious of you for actually mentioning something so unexceptional. Homosexual tolerance isn't nearly as mundane but you get the idea.

Keep your eyes open, I expect to see more feminists publicly accusing gay men of misogyny.
 

mizzou

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That's why I find fault in these protests. They're abrasive, heavy handed, delusional, and are creating far more conflict then they intended to resolve.

Yea, of course the intentions might be good... but I can make the same argument about invading Iraq.

There was a good article in CNN about how rage was working against protests, especially campus protests, but damn if I can't find it right now.

there we go

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/opinions/mcwhorter-university-protests/index.html
 
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The left is beginning to find freedom of speech to be a hateful concept.
They're simply joining the club.

Yeah, taking some kind of antagonistic or retaliative stance against them would be a fairly stupid move. But acquiescing to threats, from what's probably a minority position within the university? Mizzou's opened Pandora's Box on this one, I can only see where this will go if other universities follow suit... The demand on the mascot is especially perplexing to me. Apparently "Lord Jeff", a little white colonial guy, is inherently racist because it's based off of Jeffrey Amherst who had some pretty horrifying practices towards Native Americans. But if they oppose the mascot for vaguely invoking his likeness wouldn't they take even greater issue for the university being named after the guy? The university is in a pretty difficult position. The administration definitely shouldn't give in to all of this, but at the same time it's really hard to appear sensitive while not acquiescing. Saying nothing at all would be even worse. And now that the ultimatum has been set this movement will feel that they have no choice but to follow through with their threats. This is probably not going to end very well.

Yeah, I don't know the whole story at Amherst, I was mainly for pointing out that a hard-lined, antagonistic would be one of the worst things to do (right up there along with ignoring it altogether).

From what it sounds like, Missouri had a bit more going on behind the scenes and current events coupled with recent incidents (despite some seemingly minor, when viewed on their own) on campus led to the protests that led to that president resigning. I don't think the stupid incident over the e-mail at Yale is emblematic of what happened at Missouri, nor vice versa.
 

werepossum

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Or he could just reiterate Amherst's commitment to academic freedom and freedom of speech. I don't think there is any gain in denigrating them. I would think that such a harsh statement might only entrench people in their apparently ridiculous position and "us vs them" mentality. I don't see any harm in the administration remaining civil. After all, they're supposed to be the educated adults.
Problem is these people view that as weakness. Engaging them and respecting them simply convinces them that they are morally correct.

There was a good article in CNN about how rage was working against protests, especially campus protests, but damn if I can't find it right now.

there we go

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/opinions/mcwhorter-university-protests/index.html
Nice article but these delicate flowers have nothing but incoherent rage. It's not like anyone expects them to be capable of suddenly shifting from imperious demands to logic.
 

mizzou

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Problem is these people view that as weakness. Engaging them and respecting them simply convinces them that they are morally correct.


Nice article but these delicate flowers have nothing but incoherent rage. It's not like anyone expects them to be capable of suddenly shifting from imperious demands to logic.

If I was doing a protest. I would tell all my protestors to bring two chairs. One for you to sit in, and the other facing you for someone to talk/converse/dispute with.


Why would this never happen? People at these protests only know how to chant 2-4 specific cadences and can't eloquently, or even knowingly, discuss what they are protesting for. This isn't just race relation movements, it includes a variety of things like abortion, religious rights, 2nd amendment rights, you name it. Your average joe who wants to get involved in these things is just a lemming.
 

Exophase

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If I was doing a protest. I would tell all my protestors to bring two chairs. One for you to sit in, and the other facing you for someone to talk/converse/dispute with.

Why would this never happen? People at these protests only know how to chant 2-4 specific cadences and can't eloquently, or even knowingly, discuss what they are protesting for. This isn't just race relation movements, it includes a variety of things like abortion, religious rights, 2nd amendment rights, you name it. Your average joe who wants to get involved in these things is just a lemming.

Christakis and her husband have since invited all Silliman signatories of the open letter, as well as any other Silliman students who might disagree with her email, to a lunch this Sunday. The invitation was sharply rejected by some, including one student who, in a Yale Herald piece published today, criticized the invitation and argued that Nicholas Christakis “needs to stop instigating more debate.”


https://www.thefire.org/yale-students-demand-resignations-from-faculty-members-over-halloween-email/

You might be on to something...
 

Exophase

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And these college students will be the future of the US? <scary>

Hey, at least if free college tuition is actually instituted the collegiate population will become much more mainstream.

.. although it'd probably all feed into for-profit online universities and not the snobby private activist havens who have no interest in lowering their standards or even any real ability in handling a big influx in attendance...
 

UglyCasanova

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DucatiMonster696

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Apparently the lives of 150+ people being snuffed out in a horrific act of terrorism < hurt feelings and a poop swastika.

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cubby1223

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but but but... black lives matter! It's not all lives matter, it's black lives matter!

Someone hurt my feelings, and that I have to live with throughout my whole future!
 
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You guiz! I know, you know, like... 150 people died or something. But we have about 100 people that are CRYING right now about how our lives are in such CONSTANT torment as I have to worry about some white trash possible driving by in a shitty pick-up yelling drunkenly out the window "Fuck you <insert racial slur that we can talk about but must never say unless you are of that race then you get a free pass to say anything>"


Although we have no documentation of these events actually occurring, it's still CLEARLY a VERY big issue. Much more so than 100+ hostages having their heads blown off. Where are all the liberals storming in here to defend these valiant brave heroes?
 

Zorba

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It is interesting the our resident SJWs haven't entered this thread yet. Hopefully the media starts focusing on Paris and drops these stupid college protests. As soon as the coverage goes away, I suspect the protests will fall apart.

I think the SJW movement has been fueled more by the media than liberals, or at least more than the democrats. You can't watch the news, even local new is Oklahoma, without hearing about some whiny group is butthurt over something completely insignificant. The media loves it, but it loves controversy.
 

Harabec

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Some of the most privileged people in the history of mankind, crying about not getting enough attention because of a deadly terrorist attack.
Incredible. They really have lost touch with reality.
 

boomerang

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Banquet of Consequences

Robert Louis Stevenson penned,
&#8220;Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences.&#8221; This week Europe&#8217;s leaders and America&#8217;s academics are being served theirs -- a banquet set in motion by self-destructive governance and even more stupid supporters of these policies and their architects.
 
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