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[Tiamat]

On a side note, I need to decide what to start regularly carrying in AZ. I have a p220 and p226 but feel like both of those would be too big to carry all the time. I have the funds to buy a revolver or smaller semi auto. Just not sure yet.

What is your body frame? I an very skinny so I cannot successfully conceal full size or even compact hand guns unless I wear a winter jacket.

For backup gun, i'm looking at the s&w 642. For carry, I am running a subcompact 45 through right now to make sure it is reliable. If you are not skinny, you have more choices.

 

[boomhower]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...s-concealedcarry-ban-20121211,0,7034171.story

Big big day for us in Illinois. I'm sure the libtards here in Illinois will fight this kicking and screaming. Let the lawsuits commence.

I'll be waiting to take my classes and training to get a permit.

Certainly a victory but if you look at the decision they seem to believe the NYC model works. Try getting a CCW permit in NYC or many counties in CA. They can make CCW legal but so difficult to get your screwed unless your rich or famous.

 

[RampantAndroid]

We'll see. The Woolard appeal from Maryland is still pending. If the 4th circuit court rules that "showing good and proper reason" is a violation of the 2nd amendment, as the Maryland court did, things could get very interesting indeed.

Sure, but Illinois is in a different circuit...so there might be some precedent, but they don't need to follow it...until it goes to SCOTUS.


Anyway...I went to the local shop today to get my castle nut off (double staked, jeez S&W, what the hell)...which they did for free. Some comment about "I think you've spent enough money here"...huh. 😉

And on the wall I happened to see this Lee Enfield No4 Mk1. It looked kinda lonely...and it then followed me home. It's a Mk1, marked ROFM (Royal Ordnance Factory Maltby) and was clearly rebuilt after the war (and the stampings on the stock LIKELY should tell me more here, but looking at the stock I see some brass metal on the stock. They did not use brass once the war began, until the war ended.)

Anyway, less text, more photos:

 

[clamum]

What is your body frame? I an very skinny so I cannot successfully conceal full size or even compact hand guns unless I wear a winter jacket.

For backup gun, i'm looking at the s&w 642. For carry, I am running a subcompact 45 through right now to make sure it is reliable. If you are not skinny, you have more choices.

Yeah I'm pretty skinny too; I went with a Walther PPS in 9mm. The single stack 9mm guns (didn't want to go with a .380 Auto pistol/revolver) are great for the skinny dudes, haha. I'm just waiting on my Comp-Tac MTAC holster to come in.

 

[Farmer]

I understand we live in the era of broadband internet, but please, refrain from posting 8 megapixel photos, especially 7 of them in a row, inline.

 

[etrigan420]

And on the wall I happened to see this Lee Enfield No4 Mk1. It looked kinda lonely...and it then followed me home.

Good looking gun RA.

One of these days I'll have to put my C&R to use...but there's still so much modern stuff I want. 😉

Wife let me open my Christmas gift early! EOTech EXPS2.0 for the Colt.

Haven't had a chance to get it to the range yet. Hopefully some time this weekend I'll get a chance to sight it in.

 

[corwin]

Good looking gun RA.

One of these days I'll have to put my C&R to use...but there's still so much modern stuff I want. 😉

Wife let me open my Christmas gift early! EOTech EXPS2.0 for the Colt.

Haven't had a chance to get it to the range yet. Hopefully some time this weekend I'll get a chance to sight it in.

OK, maybe you can educate me...what exactly is so much better about the EOTech that justifies the incredible price? I have a Primary Arms red dot on my AR and it works like a charm, for less that $100, why would I want to spend 4x that on an EOTech? I'm not knocking them I just really want to know...

 

[Farmer]

Mostly the reputation of the brand and the warranty.

The EOTech has a "bigger screen" and a fast reticle for shooting close than the single dot sights.

The Aimpoint Micros have excellent battery life.

 

[corwin]

Mostly the reputation of the brand and the warranty.

So sort of like Apple...good marketing and they fix shit when it breaks, otherwise pretty much the same as everybody else

The EOTech has a "bigger screen" and a fast reticle for shooting close than the single dot sights.

Bigger screen should be moot when shooting with a red dot, you keep both eyes open unless you have a magnifier for longer range...I'm curious by what a "fast reticle" is supposed to be though, I use the circle/dot reticle most often but sometimes the crosshair

The Aimpoint Micros have excellent battery life.

I haven't seen any that have really "bad" battery life...mine uses 1 AA and gets 1000+ hours, even at 1/10 of that though the price difference would buy a shit ton of batteries...

 

[TallBill]

I have a Lee Enfield that I inherited a few years back. I know nothing about it and the bolt doesn't close. It also has a chopped up stock. Some day I'll put in some work.

As far as carrying. I'm 6'6", 235.... I could probably get away with whatever but still don't want a full frame.

 

[clamum]

Another thing about the EOTech units are their ruggedness and dependability. You don't see the Marine Corps and other law enforcement units using Primary Arms red dot sights. Not to say the latter are not good, and the EOTech units are not overpriced (IMO), though. They also use different technology; the PA is a red-dot sight and the EOTech a holographic sight.

As far as the "fast reticle", it's probably easier for the average person's eyes to pick up the dot in the middle of the 65 MOA circle on an EOTech sight than just a normal red dot.

 

[irishScott]

I have a Lee Enfield that I inherited a few years back. I know nothing about it and the bolt doesn't close. It also has a chopped up stock. Some day I'll put in some work.

As far as carrying. I'm 6'6", 235.... I could probably get away with whatever but still don't want a full frame.

Well off the top of my head:

http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-CM9.asp

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...4_750001_750051_780153_-1_757781_757781_image

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductList/pistols-p938.aspx

http://xdspistol.com/

Unless you want to go into .380s

 

[corwin]

Another thing about the EOTech units are their ruggedness and dependability. You don't see the Marine Corps and other law enforcement units using Primary Arms red dot sights. Not to say the latter are not good, and the EOTech units are not overpriced (IMO), though. They also use different technology; the PA is a red-dot sight and the EOTech a holographic sight.

As far as the "fast reticle", it's probably easier for the average person's eyes to pick up the dot in the middle of the 65 MOA circle on an EOTech sight than just a normal red dot.

Actually mine has 4 reticles including the circle/dot as well which is what I primarily use...the simple dot kinda sucks. I guess if I was out in combat running and hiding the ruggedness might be a factor but I'm getting the impression for us regular guys there's only a prestige factor in getting the EOTech.

Well off the top of my head:

http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-CM9.asp

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...4_750001_750051_780153_-1_757781_757781_image

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductList/pistols-p938.aspx

http://xdspistol.com/

Unless you want to go into .380s

Damn that 938 looks sweet, I've been considering a 238 for something smaller to carry but hated dropping down to a .380, 9mm would be much nicer:wub:

 

[Farmer]

So sort of like Apple...good marketing and they fix shit when it breaks, otherwise pretty much the same as everybody else

Bigger screen should be moot when shooting with a red dot, you keep both eyes open unless you have a magnifier for longer range...I'm curious by what a "fast reticle" is supposed to be though, I use the circle/dot reticle most often but sometimes the crosshair

I haven't seen any that have really "bad" battery life...mine uses 1 AA and gets 1000+ hours, even at 1/10 of that though the price difference would buy a shit ton of batteries...

Whether or not you think the reticle is fast is up to you. IMHO it's not moot because I've shot both the EOTech and traditional tube red dots (Aimpoint Comp) and I thought the EOTech was much easier to use. Yes I keep both eyes open. The Aimpoint Micro (with your PA is a copy of) doesn't suffer from the same "tunnel vision."

As for battery life, it's not about how many batteries it costs. It's about leaving the sight on for 5 years without worrying that the one time you might need it to save your life, it's dead due to lack of charge. It's mysterious why none of these sights have a "wake on shake" on switch, but with an ACET Aimpoint, it is a nonissue.

Your Primary Arms red dot is a fine optic. If I did not want to spend money on an EOTech or Aimpoint, that's what I'd get. The EOTech XPS/EXPS and the Aimpoint are military sights, so expect them to be more durable.


As for the price being high, I don't really have too strong an opinion, if you feel that the Aimpoints and EOTechs are too expensive, you should not buy them. You are totally right, a lot of people buy them for cool factor. The thing is I don't understand people buying very very nice carbines or rifles, and then putting a $50 Tasco on them. It doesn't really apply to the PA red dots since they are actually good sights, but I always expect optics to cost around the same if no more than the rifle they are going on.

As far as the "fast reticle", it's probably easier for the average person's eyes to pick up the dot in the middle of the 65 MOA circle on an EOTech sight than just a normal red dot.

Not just that, I mean if you're just trying to hit a man size target at 20 yards and closer, the 65 MOA ring is a lot easier to pick up than a 2 or 4 moa single dot.

 

[etrigan420]

Actually mine has 4 reticles including the circle/dot as well which is what I primarily use...the simple dot kinda sucks. I guess if I was out in combat running and hiding the ruggedness might be a factor but I'm getting the impression for us regular guys there's only a prestige factor in getting the EOTech.

If I wanted prestige, I would have bought an Elcan 😛

For *me*, the EOTech won out over the Aimpoints and Vortex's because of the reticle and "tube effect".

It won out over the PA because the one PA that I was able to actually put my hands on didn't feel well built, and the reticle looked hazy (not the glass, the actual reticle).

Granted, it was a bit older, and I just hand held it, but it just didn't feel as solid as the EOTech.

 

[corwin]

Whether or not you think the reticle is fast is up to you. IMHO it's not moot because I've shot both the EOTech and traditional tube red dots (Aimpoint Comp) and I thought the EOTech was much easier to use. Yes I keep both eyes open. The Aimpoint Micro (with your PA is a copy of) doesn't suffer from the same "tunnel vision."

As for battery life, it's not about how many batteries it costs. It's about leaving the sight on for 5 years without worrying that the one time you might need it to save your life, it's dead due to lack of charge. It's mysterious why none of these sights have a "wake on shake" on switch, but with an ACET Aimpoint, it is a nonissue.

Your Primary Arms red dot is a fine optic. If I did not want to spend money on an EOTech or Aimpoint, that's what I'd get. The EOTech XPS/EXPS and the Aimpoint are military sights, so expect them to be more durable.


As for the price being high, I don't really have too strong an opinion, if you feel that the Aimpoints and EOTechs are too expensive, you should not buy them. You are totally right, a lot of people buy them for cool factor. The thing is I don't understand people buying very very nice carbines or rifles, and then putting a $50 Tasco on them. It doesn't really apply to the PA red dots since they are actually good sights, but I always expect optics to cost around the same if no more than the rifle they are going on.

Thanks...always wanted to really know why people bought them and that pretty well clears it up😀 i couldn't see putting a cheap as shit optic on a good rifle either, but I just can't see spending as much on the glass as the rifle itself either😛 But that's just me, I'm not expecting to beat mine up or leave the sight turned on for 5 years either, and I have my MBUS there just in case something goes to shit and I need it. Glad to hear my PA is at least in the running for most people:thumbsup:

If I wanted prestige, I would have bought an Elcan

For *me*, the EOTech won out over the Aimpoints and Vortex's because of the reticle and "tube effect".

It won out over the PA because the one PA that I was able to actually put my hands on didn't feel well built, and the reticle looked hazy (not the glass, the actual reticle).

Granted, it was a bit older, and I just hand held it, but it just didn't feel as solid as the EOTech.

I've never heard of Elcan and it sounds like I don't want to😉 I guess I'm happy with my PA and that's the most important thing, one of these days I'm going to get a magnifier to go with it for some longer range shooting, but for now it does the job mighty fine

 

[Pia]

I just can't see spending as much on the glass as the rifle itself either😛

It makes a lot of sense for a sniper or competition rifle, or some kinds of hunting. It's rather pointless for a rifle intended for short range use.

 

[pontifex]

Another thing about the EOTech units are their ruggedness and dependability. You don't see the Marine Corps and other law enforcement units using Primary Arms red dot sights. Not to say the latter are not good, and the EOTech units are not overpriced (IMO), though. They also use different technology; the PA is a red-dot sight and the EOTech a holographic sight.

As far as the "fast reticle", it's probably easier for the average person's eyes to pick up the dot in the middle of the 65 MOA circle on an EOTech sight than just a normal red dot.

this...that little Primary Arms red dot isn't going to survive being banged around, the elements etc. Aimpoints and Eotechs are made to last and for military/police use.

Someone who takes their rifle to the range once a month doesn't need an eotech or aimpoint.

I've heard the PA red dots are fairly decent though, but most red dots are cheap pieces of crap that fail quickly, have no durability, etc.

 

[velillen]

I have the eotech 512 and the Sig saurer red dot (100 buck tube red dot). I just find the eotech to feel way more durable and I find it to be clearer and faster to get on target with. The Sig one works fine and I use it from time to time on my 552 but still prefer the eotech.

I think of it like a scope. Sure you can get a 24x scope for 150 bucks. But the 1000 one is going to be better.


On another note....my ria 1911 10mm is at my ffl. To bad I won't be able to get it till next weekend. He's a good 1911 guy and said it was nice to him though

 

[madoka]

Granted, it was a bit older, and I just hand held it, but it just didn't feel as solid as the EOTech.

Just bought one of these bad boys:

http://www.eotech-inc.com/products/sights/eolad-1v

Hoping to try it out against the Aimpoint I got, but I am a sucker for lasers.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Anyone have any advice on what cleaning/maintenance supplies a gun noob needs? I just picked up a S&W M&P 15-22 and am kind of lost when it comes to what oil and other cleaning products I should get for it.

 

[ManBearPig]

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[TallBill]

Qtips, pipe cleaner, old t shirt, clp, bore snake. Keep going till surfaces are not wet and carbon stops coming out.

 

[BladeVenom]

As for battery life, it's not about how many batteries it costs. It's about leaving the sight on for 5 years without worrying that the one time you might need it to save your life, it's dead due to lack of charge. It's mysterious why none of these sights have a "wake on shake" on switch, but with an ACET Aimpoint, it is a nonissue.

Burris Fastfire is rated at about 4 years. Trijiocon RMR is 2 years of typical use, up to 5 years in dark storage.
vs.
Holographic site, 1000 hours.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Do you care if they're toxic or not? Get weapon shield CLP (email the president and he'll give you a free sample), it's non toxic. Use an old cotton t shirt. Wipe off.

Also I am soooo jealous you got that, I want one. 🙁

Non toxic sounds good to me.

I was debating between the 15-22 and a WASR of all things but with the way prices are going I figured my first rifle should be something I can afford to shoot a ton. Buds has the basic version with the A1 style flash suppressor for $426 which is a lot cheaper than I have seen it anywhere else. Now I just need to order some rings so I can actually get my scope mounted on it.

Qtips, pipe cleaner, old t shirt, clp, bore snake. Keep going till surfaces are not wet and carbon stops coming out.

Ok, thanks.