i will admit, the effects were very colean, but i don't think the end user will fully uttilize ichat on a daily basis-i think only 5% will similar to apple's marketshare, so that makes sense.
Dell is not crap. Any educated person can testify to that. They are by far no where near the best, but they do what are made to do.
In my opinion, there are few ligitimate reasons why linux would be better on a Mac then on a PC unless you get into the G5, but in the end that really doesn't matter does it? Do what you wnat.
"Now I believe the people that asked you a question pretty boy have yet to hear an answer ..."
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Dell is not crap. Any educated person can testify to that. They are by far no where near the best, but they do what are made to do.
In my opinion, there are few ligitimate reasons why linux would be better on a Mac then on a PC unless you get into the G5, but in the end that really doesn't matter does it? Do what you wnat.
"Now I believe the people that asked you a question pretty boy have yet to hear an answer ..."
I am educated, Dell is crap. no need for a discussion, there is nothing to discuss.
Most PC's out there are pure crap, assembled with high megahertz CPU's and anything else that makes people look with big teary eyes at them, longing for them, well, i am sorry, if you have a Dell and ask me why i don't, it is because i know more about hardware than you do.
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Dell is not crap. Any educated person can testify to that. They are by far no where near the best, but they do what are made to do.
In my opinion, there are few ligitimate reasons why linux would be better on a Mac then on a PC unless you get into the G5, but in the end that really doesn't matter does it? Do what you wnat.
"Now I believe the people that asked you a question pretty boy have yet to hear an answer ..."
I am educated, Dell is crap. no need for a discussion, there is nothing to discuss.
Most PC's out there are pure crap, assembled with high megaherz CPU's and anything else that makes people look with big teary eyes at them, longing for them, well, i am sorry, if you have a Dell and ask me why i didn't, it is because i know more about hardware than you do.
The fish always bites the lure when you use the right bait...:evil:
EDIT: Dish out facts and then we'll talk. Dell's are reliable as toaster ovens in my book, and I don't know about you but the Toaster's latest 1.04b firmware has had an uptime of about 7years.
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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Dell is not crap. Any educated person can testify to that. They are by far no where near the best, but they do what are made to do.
In my opinion, there are few ligitimate reasons why linux would be better on a Mac then on a PC unless you get into the G5, but in the end that really doesn't matter does it? Do what you wnat.
"Now I believe the people that asked you a question pretty boy have yet to hear an answer ..."
I am educated, Dell is crap. no need for a discussion, there is nothing to discuss.
Most PC's out there are pure crap, assembled with high megaherz CPU's and anything else that makes people look with big teary eyes at them, longing for them, well, i am sorry, if you have a Dell and ask me why i didn't, it is because i know more about hardware than you do.
The fish always bites the lure when you use the right bait...:evil:
*kicks Goosemaster* Dammit, i should have seen that one coming.
The damn Dells at work are always crapping out. Not so much the desktops, but we have had a horrible time with the HDDs going bad in our laptops.
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Dell is not crap. Any educated person can testify to that. They are by far no where near the best, but they do what are made to do.
In my opinion, there are few ligitimate reasons why linux would be better on a Mac then on a PC unless you get into the G5, but in the end that really doesn't matter does it? Do what you wnat.
"Now I believe the people that asked you a question pretty boy have yet to hear an answer ..."
I am educated, Dell is crap. no need for a discussion, there is nothing to discuss.
Most PC's out there are pure crap, assembled with high megaherz CPU's and anything else that makes people look with big teary eyes at them, longing for them, well, i am sorry, if you have a Dell and ask me why i didn't, it is because i know more about hardware than you do.
The fish always bites the lure when you use the right bait...:evil:
EDIT: Dish out facts and then we'll talk. Dell's are reliable as toaster ovens in my book, and I don't know about you but the Toaster's latest 1.04b firmware has had an uptime of about 7years.
OK, dell's are ok for people who know nothing and have no will to learn, old hardware for less money.
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: amdfanboy
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: amdfanboy
Then he can say he's soooooo 31337 that he runs *nix on a Mac.
Actually, i really don't care what others think, i have used Linux for a long time, it is what i use, i like the powerbook, so hang me.
I really, REALLY don't care what people think, if i did i would be running a Dell with Windows. just like you.
Two things.
1) You said you don't care twice
2)I hate dell
3)You are running Linux on a Mac whic cost ~1500+ ? and you could have got something Winx86 and run it on ther for ~$800 or less ?
1. yes
2. ok
3. well what's with "Tho things" and then a 3.)? But i'll answer it, where can you get a powerbook that is x86? and winx86 is no term that i have ever heard of, what is that?
n0cmonkey was right, some do not understand, i like apples powerbook and i like OSS, so i go Linux on this very nice laptop, on other boxes i have used OpenBSD, on others i have used FreeBSD. Are you seeing the pattern here?
Not really, bu I didn't notice the power book thing. I thought you meant desktop. Did you at least keep a dual boot ?
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ive gone from PC->Mac and can say things just make much more sense, as for the price/performance issue, its like apples and oranges, you really can't compare the two, except for the fact that they are both good, I don't know where this idea that macs are that much more expensive then PCs came from. I got my 12" G4 ibook for a cool grand, and is very competetive with Windows based laptops, desktop prices seem inline as well. Are people just looking at the liquid cooled dual G5 setups, or the 30in LCD's with the 2560x1600 res and basing the rest of apples prices on those? I mean those are the flag ship systems, that are with no rival, well perhaps the dual g5 has some comp from a nice 939 but otherwise a premium is going to be on things that have no peers. Sorrry for my rant, but it just seems people say some of the most ignorant things...long day, im out to read, again. Oh and Tiger is gonna be HOT!
people who stick to one OS are missing out. tsk tsk.
and crazy mofo is definately hating on the appleness.
and it makes NO sense for someone to get a mac and then only use linux on it. macintosh is the ONLY platform that you can run mac os on so if your NOT running mac os you might as well get something x86 based.
aqua heavly uses opengl
spotlight works like itunes and is nowhere near "windowns search"
if it can run 10.3 it should be able to run 10.4
darwin, freebsd, apache, and mach is about as open as it gets.
G5 laptops are gonna take awhile, h.264 should run on G4s
with things like wine, reactos and darwine in development macs will become compatiable with windows or more like, windows will be compatible with everything else
and crazy mofo is definately hating on the appleness.
and it makes NO sense for someone to get a mac and then only use linux on it. macintosh is the ONLY platform that you can run mac os on so if your NOT running mac os you might as well get something x86 based.
aqua heavly uses opengl
spotlight works like itunes and is nowhere near "windowns search"
if it can run 10.3 it should be able to run 10.4
darwin, freebsd, apache, and mach is about as open as it gets.
G5 laptops are gonna take awhile, h.264 should run on G4s
with things like wine, reactos and darwine in development macs will become compatiable with windows or more like, windows will be compatible with everything else
Biggest thing going against Macs is gaming. Can someone more technical than myself explain why transgaming can make a winex for Linux but Apple, with much more to spend and much more to gain, can't make one? Or is it that they won't? Rivalry thing and all...?
Remember, paying a G5 and all those goodies is not about about having the fastest machine. IIRC it is defintiely not. It is about the experience of having a multitude of apps that are maticulously intertwined with the system. I realize that the PPPC/G5 chips are nice, but a 939 would be more cost effective and still be top of the line, if not faster...any gain from the G5 would be offset by the huge price.
What the hell is the point of spending so much if you will remove that which makes it special...ie osx?
I have used OSX, I have used linux...yadayada....in the nd, you buy a Mac bcause you will use OSx with it.
Originally posted by: amdfanboy
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: amdfanboy
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: amdfanboy
Then he can say he's soooooo 31337 that he runs *nix on a Mac.
Actually, i really don't care what others think, i have used Linux for a long time, it is what i use, i like the powerbook, so hang me.
I really, REALLY don't care what people think, if i did i would be running a Dell with Windows. just like you.
Two things.
1) You said you don't care twice
2)I hate dell
3)You are running Linux on a Mac whic cost ~1500+ ? and you could have got something Winx86 and run it on ther for ~$800 or less ?
1. yes
2. ok
3. well what's with "Tho things" and then a 3.)? But i'll answer it, where can you get a powerbook that is x86? and winx86 is no term that i have ever heard of, what is that?
n0cmonkey was right, some do not understand, i like apples powerbook and i like OSS, so i go Linux on this very nice laptop, on other boxes i have used OpenBSD, on others i have used FreeBSD. Are you seeing the pattern here?
Not really, bu I didn't notice the power book thing. I thought you meant desktop. Did you at least keep a dual boot ?
I'll spell it out for you as you are dense, i like OSS and i like multiple platforms, i like different systems on different platforms for different tasks.
No i never dual boot anything, i have one OS on each of them except on a AM64 setup where i run Linux AND FreeBSD and dualboot because i have to.
I hate OSX almost as much as i hate XP, just almost.
Depends on what system you run on it, OSX is not the only system which will run on a G5.
It's about having a different platform, a different system good for doing what it does very well.
I understand we are discussing two different things, i want systems that do what they do very well, not one system that will indeed work (most of the time) and does everything half-assed.
IOW, you can have your Dell, i like my setups.
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: amdfanboy
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: amdfanboy
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: amdfanboy
Then he can say he's soooooo 31337 that he runs *nix on a Mac.
Actually, i really don't care what others think, i have used Linux for a long time, it is what i use, i like the powerbook, so hang me.
I really, REALLY don't care what people think, if i did i would be running a Dell with Windows. just like you.
Two things.
1) You said you don't care twice
2)I hate dell
3)You are running Linux on a Mac whic cost ~1500+ ? and you could have got something Winx86 and run it on ther for ~$800 or less ?
1. yes
2. ok
3. well what's with "Tho things" and then a 3.)? But i'll answer it, where can you get a powerbook that is x86? and winx86 is no term that i have ever heard of, what is that?
n0cmonkey was right, some do not understand, i like apples powerbook and i like OSS, so i go Linux on this very nice laptop, on other boxes i have used OpenBSD, on others i have used FreeBSD. Are you seeing the pattern here?
Not really, bu I didn't notice the power book thing. I thought you meant desktop. Did you at least keep a dual boot ?
I'll spell it out for you as you are dense, i like OSS and i like multiple platforms, i like different systems on different platforms for different tasks.
No i never dual boot anything, i have one OS on each of them except on a AM64 setup where i run Linux AND FreeBSD and dualboot because i have to.
I hate OSX almost as much as i hate XP, just almost.
Now if only, wise leader, you would pleasure us with reasons why, we could get on with the owning ....:clock:
I do have to go to bed early tonight
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Now if only, wise leader, you would pleasure us with reasons why, we could get on with the owning ....:clock:
I do have to go to bed early tonight
High portability helps make code cleaner. Helping to test less used platforms with software you use on more popular platforms can help improve the quality of that code.
You think I have a...dare I say it...a DELL? THOSE THIGNS ARE POS POSers ! IWOULD NEVER BE CAUGHT DEA WTIH A D377!!!!!
Seriously though, I do not have a dell, but I am attempting to be realistic. Whether you are interested in the highes floating point units or otherwise, there is gereally not a conclusively dramatic difference between modern PC's to justify purchasing a Mac to use without OSx. Fro mexperience in the corporate and education sectors, I have found Dell's to be quite reliable as far as PC's go. A harddrive will go bad, as will RAM, but as for their motherboards and in house production, I find that their quality is defintiely satisfactory.
To simply calssify Dell's as POS's is quite ignorant in my opinion. Perhaps they are not as modifiable as say your average Asus or MSI board a but for the sake of legitimate argument, that does not damn them to inadaquacy for everyone else.
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i agree with your statement about using OSX on a mac. As for price offsetting the performance, I don't even know how to compare the two(a single g5 to a 939) and determine a price/performance. The cheapest G5 you can get is $1999, steep right? well its a dual 1.8 g5, with vanilla everything else. One could build a god of a system with 2g's but it would probably be comparable, im sure a $2000 rig would best the dual 1.8 in some things but it would swing toward the mac in others, i really don't see price being that much higher then PCs. The lowest end Powermac is very powerful and can hang with most highend PCs in apps. I guess the issue with apple is, they don't offer that $800 system or ability to get hardware and build a whole rig for like 400 bucks. I really gotta read, so im really out this time. Cheers.
Cheers.Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Now if only, wise leader, you would pleasure us with reasons why, we could get on with the owning ....:clock:
I do have to go to bed early tonight
High portability helps make code cleaner. Helping to test less used platforms with software you use on more popular platforms can help improve the quality of that code.
But is sacrificing one's earnings to improve someone else's code feasible for everyone?
EDIT: Of course if itis your own code, then that makes a world of difference.
My problem is the mentioning of 150+ new features and showing the most important ones...being the iChat and the new search engine...both of which I won't even be using!! Interestingly, I know exactly where all my files are and have absolutely no interest in video conferencing.. although the new iChat features are very James Bond, very cool. Also it's quite obvious that the whole demo was done on a local network. It can't be that smooth in real life unless it's used in a corporate internal meeting...where most people would be on PC's anyway. How about a better mail client with nicer import/export features, faster overall OS, less memory usage...optimizations...?? I'd rather see that stuff than any new features on the MacOS to be honest.
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