Why would you buy a console for gaming

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
i tried the Q4 demo, and i ran the FEAR MP demo @ 8x6 with 2x FSAA on a 9800 NON PRO

if 8x6 is unacceptable, i hope you don't play any console games since they run at 640x480!

I hate the whole resolution arguement, because when talking about non-HD resolutions, the PC wins on paper. However, a standard game running on the console at 480i/480p typically looks just as good as a game running at 800x600, sometimes even as good as 1024x768. However, there is no way I could argue this for consoles to you guys, so have your stats win this time.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Define veritable. Linux is not, and never will be, a viable gaming platform.

The Cedega website is your friend, I'm not about to copy the entire list of games Cedega can run just for the benefit of some fanboys on a forum. It's a fvcking big list.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Getting the same configuration for a PC would be decidedly more due to having to purchase the individual parts, plus input devices, plus OS. Also, you'll need a monitor for a PC, compared to a television for the XBOX, which most everyone in the world already has.

And everyone in the world doesn't already have a 17" or 19" CRT?

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Define veritable. Linux is not, and never will be, a viable gaming platform.

The Cedega website is your friend, I'm not about to copy the entire list of games Cedega can run just for the benefit of some fanboys on a forum. It's a fvcking big list.

Hmm, never heard of Cedega before. Now how does it actually work, besides reading the obviously biased user testimonials on the site? It doesn't look like they allow you access to any forums until you subscribe, which runs $5 a month, still not free. Although I guess you could compare the cost of Cedega (assuming it works as advertised) to the cost of Live.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Getting the same configuration for a PC would be decidedly more due to having to purchase the individual parts, plus input devices, plus OS. Also, you'll need a monitor for a PC, compared to a television for the XBOX, which most everyone in the world already has.

And everyone in the world doesn't already have a 17" or 19" CRT?

Not necessarily. Remember, we're talking about the average family household, not avid computer users like ourselves in this forum.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
[Hmm, never heard of Cedega before. Now how does it actually work, besides reading the obviously biased user testimonials on the site? It doesn't look like they allow you access to any forums until you subscribe, which runs $5 a month, still not free. Although I guess you could compare the cost of Cedega (assuming it works as advertised) to the cost of Live.

Jesus Christ. :roll: Get over your fanboyism for one minute, will you? Cedega is basically a PC game emulator for Linux, and it works extremely well, including online. Cedega is also free, like Linux.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: blurredvision
[Hmm, never heard of Cedega before. Now how does it actually work, besides reading the obviously biased user testimonials on the site? It doesn't look like they allow you access to any forums until you subscribe, which runs $5 a month, still not free. Although I guess you could compare the cost of Cedega (assuming it works as advertised) to the cost of Live.

Jesus Christ. :roll: Get over your fanboyism for one minute, will you? Cedega is basically a PC game emulator for Linux, and it works extremely well, including online. Cedega is also free, like Linux.

Wow, get over yourself, I didn't say I didn't know what it was. I obviously went to the site like you directed. I asked how good the program works, and that it's subscription cost could be equal to the cost of Live. I saw nothing about it being free, seems like I read that you had to pay atleast $5 a month in order to get updates to play the latest games.

It's been a long while since I've been called a fanboy, I'm not sure what to do now . If I'm a fanboy, why do I own a high-end PC (see rig in sig) and not an X360?

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Wow, get over yourself, I didn't say I didn't know what it was. I obviously went to the site like you directed. I asked how good the program works, and that it's subscription cost could be equal to the cost of Live. I saw nothing about it being free, seems like I read that you had to pay atleast $5 a month in order to get updates to play the latest games.

It's been a long while since I've been called a fanboy, I'm not sure what to do now . If I'm a fanboy, why do I own a high-end PC (see rig in sig) and not an X360?

For someone who isn't a fanboy, you do seem to lourve slagging off Linux and Cedega.

And you said you never heard of it, I simply told you what it does.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Wow, get over yourself, I didn't say I didn't know what it was. I obviously went to the site like you directed. I asked how good the program works, and that it's subscription cost could be equal to the cost of Live. I saw nothing about it being free, seems like I read that you had to pay atleast $5 a month in order to get updates to play the latest games.

It's been a long while since I've been called a fanboy, I'm not sure what to do now . If I'm a fanboy, why do I own a high-end PC (see rig in sig) and not an X360?

For someone who isn't a fanboy, you do seem to lourve slagging off Linux and Cedega.

And you said you never heard of it, I simply told you what it does.

Well, at the time I didn't know what Cedega was, I said Linux wasn't a viable gaming solution. Then in my next post, I stated I didn't know what it was, but clearly stated in the next two sentences that I was curious on how the program actually worked (i.e. good, bad), because you can't judge by those stupid user testimonials on their site. I have absolutely no proof that this program works like it is intended to, and is good at what it claims to do. Just because it exists doesn't mean it's good.

You really shouldn't get worked into a frenzy trying to defend your ever-shrinking stance, and keep up with the timeline of events in this thread if you have any hope of proving your babble.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Not necessarily. Remember, we're talking about the average family household, not avid computer users like ourselves in this forum.

This is 2005, not 1995. Even some of the least computer oriented families I know have at least one computer and monitor somewhere. I know a family that does pretty much nothing aside from playing sports, but even they have an average 17" LCD in an office room. In fact, I can't think of a single family at all without some type of computer.

EDIT: Ah, Kentucky. That might explain it.

 

[0roo0roo]

people are more likely to invest in home theater equipment than pc. heck even windows 98se era machine does enough for most email/ms word type apps for average joe. that and if they do buy something like a low end emachine/ laptop, neither is really upgradable in a practical way.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
EDIT: Ah, Kentucky. That might explain it.

There ya go boy, try and prove your point by insulting my state. It's just unfortunate that us redneck, shotgun-toting, outhouse-sh!tting Kentuckians know that the XBOX360 is a better deal for gaming than a PC is.

Have you ever been to Kentucky before? I'd be interested in seeing why you think your Mexican-infested Texas is better than Kentucky.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
EDIT: Ah, Kentucky. That might explain it.

There ya go boy, try and prove your point by insulting my state. It's just unfortunate that us redneck, shotgun-toting, outhouse-sh!tting Kentuckians know that the XBOX360 is a better deal for gaming than a PC is.

Have you ever been to Kentucky before? I'd be interested in seeing why you think your Mexican-infested Texas is better than Kentucky.

you realize that texas is also a redneck, shotgun-toting state?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
There ya go boy, try and prove your point by insulting my state. It's just unfortunate that us redneck, shotgun-toting, outhouse-sh!tting Kentuckians know that the XBOX360 is a better deal for gaming than a PC is.

Have you ever been to Kentucky before? I'd be interested in seeing why you think your Mexican-infested Texas is better than Kentucky.

lololol, I should've figured you'd take it as an insult. I have nothing against southerners and love shotgun-toting rednecks. But you can't deny that many of the people who live in states like those have many more people that don't use computers than the major states like California, New York, and Texas.

EDIT: Hmmm... I can't seem to find any actual numbers on computer ownership per person by state, though. Still, I'd think that Kentucky being somewhat of a rural state would have an effect on the amount of people that own electronics.

 

[gi0rgi0]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis
Can people stop repeating "you need a $399 graphics card to compete with X360 graphics"? You're making yourselves look like complete idiots by forgetting that consoles game in low resolutions, a 6600GT can do Quake IV just as well as an X360 can. Dumbasses.

Is that the only game you gonna play ? Damn, i like fps', but theres other kinds of games
which consoles do better and they have exclusive titles as well. And playing fps' with
a 6600gt must suck.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Well, at the time I didn't know what Cedega was, I said Linux wasn't a viable gaming solution. Then in my next post, I stated I didn't know what it was, but clearly stated in the next two sentences that I was curious on how the program actually worked (i.e. good, bad), because you can't judge by those stupid user testimonials on their site. I have absolutely no proof that this program works like it is intended to, and is good at what it claims to do. Just because it exists doesn't mean it's good.

You really shouldn't get worked into a frenzy trying to defend your ever-shrinking stance, and keep up with the timeline of events in this thread if you have any hope of proving your babble.

This... Paranoid doubt... This is why I called you a fanboy... Cedega works, ask anybody. It doesn't work for all games, but the vast majority, and it improves with every version. Why would I waste my breath saying it to you otherwise?

You have proof that it works, fvck just start a thread and find out wise guy.

Originally posted by: gi0rgi0
Is that the only game you gonna play ? Damn, i like fps', but theres other kinds of games
which consoles do better and they have exclusive titles as well. And playing fps' with
a 6600gt must suck.

It's called an example, smartass. I don't even use a 6600GT, I use an X800 GTO² clocked at X850 XT PE speeds. :roll: I don't just play Quake IV either, again, it was for an example. I'll spell it out for you...

X360 = Quake IV, high settings, 720i.
6600GT = Quake IV, high settings, 720i.

Was a simple comparison for the people saying you need a $399 graphics card to match the X360 in performance/graphics, capiché?

 

[metroplex]

Because you can play the same games on the same hardware you bought years ago.

Try playing Battlefield 2 on a PC you built in 1999-2001. It's not going to work.

That said, I do not have a console. I just upgrade/build new PCs every 3-4 years.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Well, at the time I didn't know what Cedega was, I said Linux wasn't a viable gaming solution. Then in my next post, I stated I didn't know what it was, but clearly stated in the next two sentences that I was curious on how the program actually worked (i.e. good, bad), because you can't judge by those stupid user testimonials on their site. I have absolutely no proof that this program works like it is intended to, and is good at what it claims to do. Just because it exists doesn't mean it's good.

You really shouldn't get worked into a frenzy trying to defend your ever-shrinking stance, and keep up with the timeline of events in this thread if you have any hope of proving your babble.

This... Paranoid doubt... This is why I called you a fanboy... Cedega works, ask anybody. It doesn't work for all games, but the vast majority, and it improves with every version. Why would I waste my breath saying it to you otherwise?

You have proof that it works, fvck just start a thread and find out wise guy.

You are a fvcking idiot. You tell me that Cedega works, ask anybody. Well that's what my fvcking post states, that I'd like to hear if it actually works. You are pointless to argue with. What I'm paranoid with is what crap you'll reply with next.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: gi0rgi0
Is that the only game you gonna play ? Damn, i like fps', but theres other kinds of games

Agreed. MMORPGs and RTSs, for instance

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: metroplex
Try playing Battlefield 2 on a PC you built in 1999-2001. It's not going to work.

Purely a shader model issue, a conscious decision by Electronic Arts. Battlefield 2 would work fine on MX 440s and FX 5200s if they had chosen to allow support for the previous shader version.

Originally posted by: blurredvision
You are a fvcking idiot. You tell me that Cedega works, ask anybody. Well that's what my fvcking post states, that I'd like to hear if it actually works. You are pointless to argue with. What I'm paranoid with is what crap you'll reply with next.

You just said that you "have absolutely no proof that this program works like it is intended to, and is good at what it claims to do", despite the fact that I just fvcking told you that it works and works as intended.

Jesus, like I said before, zip it kid.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: gi0rgi0

Originally posted by: Exsomnis
Can people stop repeating "you need a $399 graphics card to compete with X360 graphics"? You're making yourselves look like complete idiots by forgetting that consoles game in low resolutions, a 6600GT can do Quake IV just as well as an X360 can. Dumbasses.

Is that the only game you gonna play ? Damn, i like fps', but theres other kinds of games
which consoles do better and they have exclusive titles as well. And playing fps' with
a 6600gt must suck.

are you smoking crack? a 6600GT is still a great card, especially if you want to play openGL games. I certainly wish I had one. not everyone absolutely needs to play FEAR at 2000-some x ?? with 4xFSAA and 16x ASF and 100FPS. While I'd like to do that, I certainly don't NEED it and thus, would be content with a 6600 GT.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
You are a fvcking idiot. You tell me that Cedega works, ask anybody. Well that's what my fvcking post states, that I'd like to hear if it actually works. You are pointless to argue with. What I'm paranoid with is what crap you'll reply with next.

You just said that you "have absolutely no proof that this program works like it is intended to, and is good at what it claims to do", despite the fact that I just fvcking told you that it works and works as intended.

Jesus, like I said before, zip it kid.

Well sh!t, what was I thinking? I should completely trust one guy's opinion on the product, the one guy who is using said product to try and completely disspell other's opinions when his own "facts" are solely based on conjecture.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: metroplex
Because you can play the same games on the same hardware you bought years ago.

Try playing Battlefield 2 on a PC you built in 1999-2001. It's not going to work.

That said, I do not have a console. I just upgrade/build new PCs every 3-4 years.

I tried BF2 on my PC which is only a couple years old. It's very similar to that "kickass" $400 PC which was built earlier (and I still don't believe is kickass, or that cheap, I'd love to see links to an $80 mobo/cpu bundle, a Sempron alone costs $65) and my PC barely runs BF2.

Athlon Barton 2500+
1 GB RAM
Nvidia 5900

BF2 at modest settings was choppy and largely unplayable.

Edit: Furthermore, the only $80 Radeon 9800 I see on Pricewatch is an SE, definitely a far cry from a 9800 Pro. The SE was viewed as piece of crap, barely better than a 9600.

 

[Regs]

Can 3DMark run on a xbox 360? I THINK NOT! (without a mod). But even then, that would require me actually lift my lazy ass off my desk chair which im not planning to do for at least another 3-4 years.

 

[0roo0roo]

iinteresting results from valve steam survey(its one click and it doesn't ask you anything besides netspeed because it autodetects the rest so people aren't really bothered by it)

http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html

shows what computer users actually play with, not what they could in theory.... as you can see, many use really lousy hardware lol