Why would you buy a console for gaming

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: apoppin
"fine" on a 9800p . . . 10x7 max if you like "details".

Still better than a console, so what's your point exactly?

i NEVER said PC gaming sucks . . . the PC is my current ONLY gaming rig . . .
i DID say it would cost me much more to upgrade my rig than to buy a x360 . . . you saw my specs and can offer no alternative.

I don't know your specs.

1) PC gaming has NOT surpassed console games . . . quite the opposite . . . 'Riddick' [a great FPS] is a port to PC.

Chronicles Of Riddick might've been a console port (in fact I didn't know it was) but it still looks better than on the console and has all the PC options in there.

2) what "more hassle" with consoles? . . . and they aren't much more expensive than their predecessors . . . Game prices are UP for PC and console.

"More hassle" being that if something goes wrong with a PC (rare for anyone who knows what they're doing) you can fix it, if something goes wrong with a console you have to RMA it.

Do some research and then come back and post coherently.

Take your own advice.

 

[OCNewbie]

Originally posted by: Doom Machine
why do these threads thrive..either buy it or dont, whichever makes one happy

QFT

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: OCNewbie

Originally posted by: Doom Machine
why do these threads thrive..either buy it or dont, whichever makes one happy

QFT

What if you have nothing better to do until your movie comes on in 30 minutes? These threads are great for mild entertainment.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: OCNewbie

Originally posted by: Doom Machine
why do these threads thrive..either buy it or dont, whichever makes one happy

QFT

What if you have nothing better to do until your movie comes on in 30 minutes? These threads are great for mild entertainment.

Exactly. I'm just here to waste time.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: OCNewbie

Originally posted by: Doom Machine
why do these threads thrive..either buy it or dont, whichever makes one happy

QFT

What if you have nothing better to do until your movie comes on in 30 minutes? These threads are great for mild entertainment.

Exactly. I'm just here to waste time.

Werd brother.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo


who cares, how about who's hotter, denise richards? or kate beckinsale?

Kelly Hu

 

[Exsomnis]

Kate Beckinsale for t3h uberwin.

 

[BoberFett]

Still waiting for the $399 PC. Put up or shut up.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Still waiting for the $399 PC. Put up or shut up.

sempron 754 + mobo = $80
1 gig ram = $80
radeon 9800 pro/NP ~$80
lcd monitor - $150
soundcard, NIC, keyboard/mouse/speakers ~ 60 for all (granted speakers won't be anything special).
Case w/ psu - $30-40

That comes to ~$400, monitor included!

my computer plays Q4 pretty well on 8x6, medium detail, most options on

 

[BoberFett]

You said kickass. That is not kickass, and will need to be replace next year by another $400 PC. Try again.

And while you're at it, show me these revolutionary games that are only on PC. Other than Spore, which does look amazing, PC is rehashed crap over and over.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
You said kickass. That is not kickass, and will need to be replace next year by another $400 PC. Try again.

You asked and you recieved, shut up and learn something fanboy. The PC he posted will run games just as well as an X360 in console resolutions (525i for those without hi-def and 720i for those who spend even more on the damn thing), if not better, and does a lot more besides.

If you weren't such a cheerleader for Microsoft, you would realise what an absurd waste of money the machine is, and that's it's far too complex for the job at hand.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
You said kickass. That is not kickass, and will need to be replace next year by another $400 PC. Try again.

And while you're at it, show me these revolutionary games that are only on PC. Other than Spore, which does look amazing, PC is rehashed crap over and over.

that rig runs Q4 fine at 8x6, which is higher def than a console. you still have to buy a tv, buddy! with the $4k you'll spend on a 60foot HDTV to put the 360 to its full potential, i'll gladly upgrade and gladly run at 2000-some x ? (dont know the res), which the xbox STILL can't output. PC FTW

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
that rig runs Q4 fine at 8x6, which is higher def than a console

Finally, someone else who sees the sense in this.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
show me these revolutionary games that are only on PC. Other than Spore, which does look amazing, PC is rehashed crap over and over.

Lol... Two of consoles' strong points are sports & driving games, both of which beget sequel after sequel. In many of the sports games the only real change from one year to the next is updated rosters. As I mentioned earlier, the target demographic for consoles is on average a good bit younger than that for PCs, and so innovation & complexity are generally no-nos. You've been given examples of PC innovation and ignored them. I'll point out another one - MMORPGs.

 

[blurredvision]

What a kick-ass thread. Unfortunately, nobody in this thread is winning. Yes, PC's versus consoles is great argument, but the fact is that the pros balance out the cons for both.

My thoughts:

Cost: Juding solely on costs, the XBOX is a clear winner. $400 nets you a ton of great hardware, top-of-the-line graphics (for now), 512MB of RAM, a $50 (retail) wireless controller, a mic headset, and decent to high quality component hookups with optical out (hell, a remote too if you want to count it). Getting the same configuration for a PC would be decidedly more due to having to purchase the individual parts, plus input devices, plus OS. Also, you'll need a monitor for a PC, compared to a television for the XBOX, which most everyone in the world already has.

Uses: Judging solely on use, the PC wins hands-down. This is a no-brainer, as a console is good for one thing and one thing only, games. But, that's what it was designed for.

Monitor: This is a tie. Everyone should have a TV already, so this is a plus for consoles. But, regular TVs only display in 480i, which isn't optimal for gaming nowadays. Technically, a better monitor can be purchased, which should be capable of supporting atleast 1024x768, and is cheaper than a comparable TV that will display those resolutions. So, plus and minuses for both. XBOX360; you should already have a TV, but HD has a high entry price point at the moment, but atleast most HD sets are rather large. PC; you will most likely not have a monitor already, so that adds even more to the cost of building a new rig, but atleast even the cheapest of monitors display decently high resolutions, but the price is high for even a 20" LCD. I purchased my 52" for the same price that the 24" 2405fpw from Dell retails for.

Games: Consoles are good for platformers, sports, and adventure, PC's are good for FPS, MMORPG's, and strategy games. Selection of games heavily favor consoles, and have been for a few years now. There are more blockbuster games on consoles (coming out quicker also) than there are on the PC.

Multiplayer: This is a tie also. At first, I thought PC win this easily because Live isn't free to get the good stuff, but Live has so many advantages once you pay for it. PC's are easily accessible on multiplayer with basically any game that's released now, but the advantages to having a Live gold account are plentiful; one username across ALL games, instantly accessible friends list in ALL games, ALL games support voice (the key here is that the voice works 10x better than any PC game with the built-in voice, although this can be countered with setups of Teamspeak or Ventrilo). However, when it comes to same-system multiplayer, consoles are the absolute ONLY way to go. You can't crowd 3 other friends around your PC monitor, mainly because monitors are typically smaller than the common TV (19" compared to 27"), plus your PC monitor wouldn't necessarily be flanked by a couch and a couple of recliners.

Am I forgetting anything? Overall, which one you prefer depends on your needs/wants. This is heavily evident by what you guys choose to argue. You may now continue.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Still waiting for the $399 PC. Put up or shut up.

sempron 754 + mobo = $80
1 gig ram = $80
radeon 9800 pro/NP ~$80
lcd monitor - $150
soundcard, NIC, keyboard/mouse/speakers ~ 60 for all (granted speakers won't be anything special).
Case w/ psu - $30-40

That comes to ~$400, monitor included!

my computer plays Q4 pretty well on 8x6, medium detail, most options on

Where's your OS? Also, you should include a sound card that does DD5.1 sound in order to be compliant with the XBOX360, not just your general crappy 5.1 onboard sound. Just trying to make it fair .

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Still waiting for the $399 PC. Put up or shut up.

sempron 754 + mobo = $80
1 gig ram = $80
radeon 9800 pro/NP ~$80
lcd monitor - $150
soundcard, NIC, keyboard/mouse/speakers ~ 60 for all (granted speakers won't be anything special).
Case w/ psu - $30-40

That comes to ~$400, monitor included!

my computer plays Q4 pretty well on 8x6, medium detail, most options on

Where's your OS? Also, you should include a sound card that does DD5.1 sound in order to be compliant with the XBOX360, not just your general crappy 5.1 onboard sound. Just trying to make it fair .

You're ignoring the fact that most would have the PC regardless; just a lesser GPU. Nobody would have a console if it didn't play games.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Where's your OS? Also, you should include a sound card that does DD5.1 sound in order to be compliant with the XBOX360, not just your general crappy 5.1 onboard sound. Just trying to make it fair .

Ok Mr. Smug, we'll deduct what the monitor and speakers might've costed and put that toward an OS and a cheap sound card (with change, and don't try to tell me that the X360 sound chipset isn't some cheap, proprietary manufacturing corner-cut.) Fair's fair.

Or, I could be really mean to you and say it's a Linux box with Cedega, runs a veritable library of games with no problems.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Still waiting for the $399 PC. Put up or shut up.

sempron 754 + mobo = $80
1 gig ram = $80
radeon 9800 pro/NP ~$80
lcd monitor - $150
soundcard, NIC, keyboard/mouse/speakers ~ 60 for all (granted speakers won't be anything special).
Case w/ psu - $30-40

That comes to ~$400, monitor included!

my computer plays Q4 pretty well on 8x6, medium detail, most options on

Wasn't even paying attention before, you don't have a hard drive or optical drive. Try again.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Still waiting for the $399 PC. Put up or shut up.

sempron 754 + mobo = $80
1 gig ram = $80
radeon 9800 pro/NP ~$80
lcd monitor - $150
soundcard, NIC, keyboard/mouse/speakers ~ 60 for all (granted speakers won't be anything special).
Case w/ psu - $30-40

That comes to ~$400, monitor included!

my computer plays Q4 pretty well on 8x6, medium detail, most options on

Where's your OS? Also, you should include a sound card that does DD5.1 sound in order to be compliant with the XBOX360, not just your general crappy 5.1 onboard sound. Just trying to make it fair .

You're ignoring the fact that most would have the PC regardless; just a lesser GPU. Nobody would have a console if it didn't play games.

You still have to pay, no matter if you bought it in 2002 or 2005.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Where's your OS? Also, you should include a sound card that does DD5.1 sound in order to be compliant with the XBOX360, not just your general crappy 5.1 onboard sound. Just trying to make it fair .

Ok Mr. Smug, we'll deduct what the monitor and speakers might've costed and put that toward an OS and a cheap sound card (with change, and don't try to tell me that the X360 sound chipset isn't some cheap, proprietary manufacturing corner-cut.) Fair's fair.

Or, I could be really mean to you and say it's a Linux box with Cedega, runs a veritable library of games with no problems.

Linux, right, there's a great game platform. I'm sure the millions of people who love the simplicity of plugging in an Xbox and playing in a game want to spend the better part of month putting together their machine and trying to find the drivers to get their hardware to work. :roll:

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Where's your OS? Also, you should include a sound card that does DD5.1 sound in order to be compliant with the XBOX360, not just your general crappy 5.1 onboard sound. Just trying to make it fair .

Ok Mr. Smug, we'll deduct what the monitor and speakers might've costed and put that toward an OS and a cheap sound card (with change, and don't try to tell me that the X360 sound chipset isn't some cheap, proprietary manufacturing corner-cut.) Fair's fair.

Or, I could be really mean to you and say it's a Linux box with Cedega, runs a veritable library of games with no problems.

Define veritable. Linux is not, and never will be, a viable gaming platform.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Still waiting for the $399 PC. Put up or shut up.

sempron 754 + mobo = $80
1 gig ram = $80
radeon 9800 pro/NP ~$80
lcd monitor - $150
soundcard, NIC, keyboard/mouse/speakers ~ 60 for all (granted speakers won't be anything special).
Case w/ psu - $30-40

That comes to ~$400, monitor included!

my computer plays Q4 pretty well on 8x6, medium detail, most options on

Where's your OS? Also, you should include a sound card that does DD5.1 sound in order to be compliant with the XBOX360, not just your general crappy 5.1 onboard sound. Just trying to make it fair .

You're ignoring the fact that most would have the PC regardless; just a lesser GPU. Nobody would have a console if it didn't play games.

You still have to pay, no matter if you bought it in 2002 or 2005.

good god, the 9800pro is on the verge of obsolete and frankly 800x600 is UNACCEPTABLE. and pretty much yea, little cheapskates like him depend on massive piracy. i wouldn't be surprised if he pirated q4 too not to mention something like q4 is practically gentle compared to say fear. computers with lcd monitors..hmm sure you can find a 17" for about 150 sometimes on sale, it'll probably run at 1024x1280. running it out of native resolution is a huge sacrifice. you'd have to be a tool to think that its good to run 800x600 on an lcd. now days you have to spend atleast enough to have the game running high settings 1024x1280 minimum.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Still waiting for the $399 PC. Put up or shut up.

sempron 754 + mobo = $80
1 gig ram = $80
radeon 9800 pro/NP ~$80
lcd monitor - $150
soundcard, NIC, keyboard/mouse/speakers ~ 60 for all (granted speakers won't be anything special).
Case w/ psu - $30-40

That comes to ~$400, monitor included!

my computer plays Q4 pretty well on 8x6, medium detail, most options on

Wasn't even paying attention before, you don't have a hard drive or optical drive. Try again.

set let's add in a cheap hdd and dvd rom for $50

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Still waiting for the $399 PC. Put up or shut up.

sempron 754 + mobo = $80
1 gig ram = $80
radeon 9800 pro/NP ~$80
lcd monitor - $150
soundcard, NIC, keyboard/mouse/speakers ~ 60 for all (granted speakers won't be anything special).
Case w/ psu - $30-40

That comes to ~$400, monitor included!

my computer plays Q4 pretty well on 8x6, medium detail, most options on

Where's your OS? Also, you should include a sound card that does DD5.1 sound in order to be compliant with the XBOX360, not just your general crappy 5.1 onboard sound. Just trying to make it fair .

You're ignoring the fact that most would have the PC regardless; just a lesser GPU. Nobody would have a console if it didn't play games.

You still have to pay, no matter if you bought it in 2002 or 2005.

good god, the 9800pro is on the verge of obsolete and frankly 800x600 is UNACCEPTABLE. and pretty much yea, little cheapskates like him depend on massive piracy. i wouldn't be surprised if he pirated q4 too not to mention something like q4 is practically gentle compared to say fear. computers with lcd monitors..hmm sure you can find a 17" for about 150 sometimes on sale, it'll probably run at 1024x1280. running it out of native resolution is a huge sacrifice. you'd have to be a tool to think that its good to run 800x600 on an lcd. now days you have to spend atleast enough to have the game running high settings 1024x1280 minimum.

i tried the Q4 demo, and i ran the FEAR MP demo @ 8x6 with 2x FSAA on a 9800 NON PRO

if 8x6 is unacceptable, i hope you don't play any console games since they run at 640x480!