Ok, HDTV, 1280x720... Most graphics cards we consider "budget" can play games in that resolution.
Thanks for playing.No, I don't think I am, I think I'm making a point... You said that "It took several years" for DVD to proliferate, but that "eventually everyone sees the light."
So, basically what you're saying is... If people don't buy a hi-def TV for their X360, they will sooner or later (even if it's not just for the X360.) Or are you saying that it's perfectly fine for people to play an X360 in a 919x525 resolution CRT TV?
Fingolfin269
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Originally posted by: Exsomnis
Ok, HDTV, 1280x720... Most graphics cards we consider "budget" can play games in that resolution.
But I have a 50" HDTV with an awesome home audio system. My computer has 2.1 Klipsch and a 19" LCD. No comparison.
Originally posted by: Exsomnis
Ok, HDTV, 1280x720... Most graphics cards we consider "budget" can play games in that resolution.
No, I don't think I am, I think I'm making a point... You said that "It took several years" for DVD to proliferate, but that "eventually everyone sees the light."
So, basically what you're saying is... If people don't buy a hi-def TV for their X360, they will sooner or later (even if it's not just for the X360.) Or are you saying that it's perfectly fine for people to play an X360 in a 919x525 resolution CRT TV?
most budget graphic cards might be able to come close to the 360 but add in the rest of a system and a monitor (that could be used for the 360 as well) and you blow the 399 out of the water.
i didnt call you a tool either, you misquoted
StrangerGuy
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Comparing the resolution of a TV versus that of a PC monitor is like comparing apples to oranges.
blurredvision
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Talk about someone who doesn't get it. Hypothetically speaking, it's like me arguing that Ford vehicles suck, but I won't prove why, only because "I say so". Even though I was joking (I'm trying to give you more ammo for your ever-shrinking cause), I'd rather be purposefully dense than accidently ignorant (like yourself, obviously).
What is wrong with ppl, a 9800pro would smoke the Xbox360 at the resolution that the Xbox 360 outputs !! The 9800pro was the card that got me into serious gaming, it was the best $ 200 dollars I have ever spent (2 years ago), the graphics are out of this world, and today you can get it for $ 100 if you search for good deals.
I fail to see were ppl find joy in console games, I remember when I played Need For Speed Underground 2 on Xbox on a 50" Sony HDTV at my friend's house, I almost cried after I have seen how poor the quality is compared to the X800XL VIVO I used to own (remember that I have thrown the X800Xl in the comparison because my friend has a 50" HDTV), Damn even my current X700 non-pro Plays NFSU2 with most bells and whistles and everything will look amazing, note that my X700 costed me $77
But ok let's say that you have a less modern PC with no PCI-e slot, maybe your $ 400 PC with an AGP slot, that you use for your usual work ( surfing , homework ...etc) , add a 9800 pro for $120 , and buy an HDTV(since you need that to get a half-descent resolution or since you will be getting that anyway) , get an Xbox controller and do a USB mod on it, at that low resolution, you won't need to upgrade your card for years, plus you will save money with cheaper game prices
PERIOD. And things get better if you already have a modern PC to do your work and then you can get yourself the ultimate bang for the buck card an X800XL (which from personal experience gets a KICK ASS RATING) or X800GTO for $ 200 woot !!
And if someone argues, " That still that doesn't solve the problem of game availability", well all I have to say is
Half-Life 2 > Halo2 & Halo1 COMBINED,
BUT you know what, whoever thinks that playing Halo2 (game and multiplayer) is more fun than Half-life 2 / Counter Strike Source ( also game and multiplayer) perhaps that person does deserve a SUCKY A$$ resolution, now who is with me AT ?
PS : The reason why I am mentioning FPS games comparisons, is because last time I checked , Halo (1 & 2) are thee most sellling games for Xbox
BoberFett
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Comletely false. Will the 9800 do 1280x720 with 4x AA on modern games? Not a chance. And even if it could run at that resolution, it has nowhere near the geometry throughput that this next generation of consoles.
In addition, the 9800 Pro is $120, not the $80 claimed in the $399 PC. I'm still waiting for somebody to actually truly build a "kickass" PC for $399. It hasn't been done yet, except for one with missing parts and false prices.
How many people who have bought an X360, or plan to buy an X360, have a 50" hi-def TV and "awesome" sound system? That's right, a super small minority.Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
But I have a 50" HDTV with an awesome home audio system. My computer has 2.1 Klipsch and a 19" LCD. No comparison.
And, to repeat my previous point: 6600GT, 1280x720 resolution, TV out. 'Nuff said.
Someone's never heard of eBay. :roll: I thought X360 fanboys loved eBay, they seem to as they're fanatical enough to spend £2000 on it.
You don't have to have a "top rig" for a great PC gaming experience. My graphics card was $500, which admittedly is more than an Xbox 360, but PCs are, and probably will always be much more versatile than consoles--hence the elevated price tag.
That is completely subjective. It's laregly determined by what type of games you like, and whether or not you have to actually do stuff other than play video games. Yes, a solid PC is about 5 times the price of an Xbox 360, but you can also do about 100 times more things with a PC. As far as your "18 month" claim, I think you're overestimating. The latest PC GPUs are just as powerful (if not more) as Xenon NOW. Xenon does have a few more advanced features (embedded DRAM, unified shader), but I doubt that translates into tangibly more capability. Games are released for the PC alongside the consoles...including the Xbox 360.
Fingolfin269
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Originally posted by: Exsomnis
How many people who have bought an X360, or plan to buy an X360, have a 50" hi-def TV and "awesome" sound system? That's right, a super small minority.Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
But I have a 50" HDTV with an awesome home audio system. My computer has 2.1 Klipsch and a 19" LCD. No comparison.
And, to repeat my previous point: 6600GT, 1280x720 resolution, TV out. 'Nuff said.
But that's really not the point is it? The thread is about 'who would buy a console for gaming'. I don't know too many people who play Madden on their PCs just like I don't know too many people who play RTS games on their consoles. Why does it have to be so damned black and white with some people (not you specifically just in general with a lot of people in this community)? PC OR DIE omg lol consoles are for kids!!!?11111
I only keep bringing up the TV thing because people seem to think that a PC requires a monitor, and I can't really understand where it's coming from. They also seem to think that playing an X360 on a TV that isn't hi-def is a sane thing to do, instead of being a waste.
It's not a waste. It's an option that works - unlike using your PC on a standard TV where you won't even be able to read 90% of the text. A PC does require a monitor or an HDTV. Honestly have you ever tried playing PC games on a standard TV? It's not really doable.
Has anyone even brought up the fact of game rentals being a huge selling factor for consoles? I always hated spending $50 on a PC game that you beat in 15 hours. Gamefly is great. Too bad PC games will never really have the option to rent. Unless you count warez I guess....
Have tried it on my old CRT widescreen TV, works fine. Windows looks shite, obviously, but games look just like they would on a console for me.
You're right in that PC games don't get rented, but renting isn't something that bothers me. Most places here only do one-night or two-night rentals anyway, simply not enough time for me to play a game.
You can't complain about the prices of PC games either, console games cost more, and will cost even more in the future (according to BBC News) because of the sheer amount it is costing Microsoft to sell these things (and Sony will have the same problem with the PS3.)
I'm just saying that at least with a console you can rent it, beat it, and return it at a much lower cost. And @ $10 a month for gamefly, that's a great deal of money saved. Guess you are just unfortunate that there isn't a comparable service where you live.
I wish it were an option for PCs. I want to play FEAR, but hearing how short it is makes me not want to spend $50 on it. So I'm stuck waiting until it hits the bargain bin.. Oh well, good thing there are consoles.
Usually takes me about a month to complete a game, so I couldn't just rent from Blockbusters and beat the game even if I wanted to. I understand that some people have all the time in the world to sit around playing on a console, but not everybody does.
That's why you borrow from friends, or use Bittorrent.
Of course, I never told you to do that.
blurredvision
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Well if Windows looks like shite and is basically unusable, then your $400 PC just turned into a gaming-only device (i.e. a console, only with less games and crappy graphics).Originally posted by: Exsomnis
Have tried it on my old CRT widescreen TV, works fine. Windows looks shite, obviously, but games look just like they would on a console for me.
Everyone always forgets to pay Bill Gates when they price out a build your own. For those of us who don?t have an extra Win XP lying around, just pick up one of those entry level AMD64 systems that are advertised every week for $299 with 17? flat screen CRT? The best I have seen recently was at Office Depot HP AMD 64 XP3200, 512 RAM PC3200, 160 MB Hard Drive, 300W PSU, CD/RW, 17? flat screen CRT, speakers, keyboard and mouse. Also a free crappy printer after rebate if you want it. Add a second stick of 512 RAM, a 6600GT PCI-E card, plus two game pads and you?re in under $500.
Why get this for your kid instead of an XBOX360?
1) Has its own monitor so he/she won?t have to hog your HDTV all the time,
2) More and cheaper game content
3) He/she can do so much more that just play games and watch videos
4) Bit-Torrent
5) IRC
6) Free team chat
7) The ability to make your own content
8) Google ?Daddy why is the sky blue??
9) Dictonary.com ?How do you spell??
10) Anandtech, what more do you want?
Sure you have to deal with drivers and patches, but they are going to have to learn sooner or later. And fyi in order to play most old XBOX games on the 360 you will need to download a patch. Also a years subscription to a good anti-virus software is less that a year of XBOX live. Do your child a favor and get them a PC this holiday instead of a $500 console.
P.S. Keira Knightley.
Why get this for your kid instead of an XBOX360?
1) Has its own monitor so he/she won?t have to hog your HDTV all the time,
2) More and cheaper game content
3) He/she can do so much more that just play games and watch videos
4) Bit-Torrent
5) IRC
6) Free team chat
7) The ability to make your own content
8) Google ?Daddy why is the sky blue??
9) Dictonary.com ?How do you spell??
10) Anandtech, what more do you want?
Sure you have to deal with drivers and patches, but they are going to have to learn sooner or later. And fyi in order to play most old XBOX games on the 360 you will need to download a patch. Also a years subscription to a good anti-virus software is less that a year of XBOX live. Do your child a favor and get them a PC this holiday instead of a $500 console.
P.S. Keira Knightley.
blurredvision
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Finally, someone who has presented atleast a decent solution, but it depends on a few things. First, how upgradeable is the HP, and how often can you find a deal like this? Will it have an AGP slot for the 6600GT (built-in video sometimes gives reason to nix expansion slots for cost reasons)? Would the case even accept a 6600GT (HP cases I'm familiar with were way too fvcking small, may be different now though)? Is the 512MB of RAM on one stick or two (this matters if there are only two slots, which is likely in a cheap HP). How much money do you have to front before possibly getting your rebates back 2-3 months later? Will that lowly power supply work for the hardware you're adding?
Now my response to your questions:
1.) I wouldn't think kids often want to hog an HDTV. This is why there is no NickelodeonHD. Plus, if you can afford an HDTV, even the cheaper ones, chances are good you have another TV in the house, possibly even in the kid's bedroom.
2.) Cheaper content I'll give you, but more? Not unless you count the likes of pogo or yahoogames crap. And if you're talking about in-game content, as in quality over quantity, this could be argued longer than this thread itself would last.
3.) This is the obvious, haven't you read the thread? Anywho, this should've been your first point.
4.) Bit-torrent, does anybody actually use this for legal reasons? Do you want to be this guy?
5.) Good ol' IRC, where kids are raised properly. /sarcasm
6.) Free team chat? If you are lucky enough to get more than 2 or 3 people to install Teamspeak or Ventrilo and use it with you. You can't argue about in-game solutions, because they all quite simply suck. None of them work good that I've ever seen.
7.) Hey, you got one, good job.
8.) I'm feeling lucky!! Hey, he asked, right?
9.) Please god tell me you misspelled dictionary on purpose.......
10.) Nothing more, atleast you came in with some valid arguements, unlike others in this thread. I'm mostly poking fun at you in my reply, so don't take it too seriously. It's just too easy.
That is an easy question to answer.
Because I already have a PC, but it doesn't play all the games I want to play. Nor can it play them in the environment I want to.
You guys can argue about stupid stuff like Cedega, or whether or not a S3 Virge can run Call of Duty 2 at high res... But the fact of the matter is that a PC cannot do the same things an Xbox 360 can (and Captain Obvious would point out that vice versa is also very true.).
Are we done now? :roll:
SparkyJJO
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PC for FPS games (i.e. COD2), strategy games (i.e. C&C generals or AOE3) - mouse/kb definitely better for that over a stick
console for sports, racing - mouse/kb don't do well for those at all
Only catch is you can get gamepads and such for PC so that the sports and racing games work well on pc again
Me, I have pc and pc only 'cause I can't afford both and, xbox or whatever doesn't get me AT
console for sports, racing - mouse/kb don't do well for those at all
Only catch is you can get gamepads and such for PC so that the sports and racing games work well on pc again
Me, I have pc and pc only 'cause I can't afford both
and, xbox or whatever doesn't get me AT 
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