Why would you buy a console for gaming

[skace]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
iinteresting results from valve steam survey(its one click and it doesn't ask you anything besides netspeed because it autodetects the rest so people aren't really bothered by it)

http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html

shows what computer users actually play with, not what they could in theory.... as you can see, many use really lousy hardware lol

Shows most people still having 9600s and 9800s. Makes sense. I still have my 9800pro. And the card runs everything just fine (except X3 which seems to kill everything). Great card, which is why I constantly argue with this mentality that if you are playing recent games you must be upgrading every 6 months, completely not true.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Well sh!t, what was I thinking? I should completely trust one guy's opinion on the product, the one guy who is using said product to try and completely disspell other's opinions when his own "facts" are solely based on conjecture.

Alright, I'll simply repeat what I said before...

If you have such paranoid doubt over the quality of Cedega, start a thread about it. Or hell, download it and try it, it's free. But you're just going in circles with your "prove to me it's good, why should I believe you? prove it" bullshi!t just go try it.

And you're wondering why I called you a fanboy? You're either a fanboy or are purposefully dense, I don't know what's worse. Fvcking cockroach.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
iinteresting results from valve steam survey(its one click and it doesn't ask you anything besides netspeed because it autodetects the rest so people aren't really bothered by it)

http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html

shows what computer users actually play with, not what they could in theory.... as you can see, many use really lousy hardware lol

Shows most people still having 9600s and 9800s. Makes sense. I still have my 9800pro. And the card runs everything just fine (except X3 which seems to kill everything). Great card, which is why I constantly argue with this mentality that if you are playing recent games you must be upgrading every 6 months, completely not true.

actually no, it shows that less than 20 % are using those two cards. and that a whole lot are using really sh*t cards running games at either horrible frame rates, or horribly low settings/resolutions to get by. thats not a great gaming experience, its showing that a great many people don't get that theoretical advantage of the pc. 9800/9600 are pretty much obsolete too now to boot 9600 certainly, 9800 newer engines rape it. so yea u can "get by" without running the 6 month upgrade cycle and well most people can't be bothered or afford it, but you are seriously missing out/sacrificing when you don't. and not all engines are forgiving as the source engine, its famous for its scalability with older hardware. i could get decent framerates by lowering resolution to 800x600 on an overclocked radeon 9000pro for instance in hl2/counterstrike with lowest everything(even in drivers). but in other engines that offload less to the cpu like doom3, there was no setting that i could play at all. looking at the results it seems a large chunk of pc gamers don't get to see any pc gaming graphics advantage over xbox 360 at all, they aren't even close to matching it.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
actually no, it shows that less than 20 % are using those two cards. and that a whole lot are using really sh*t cards running games at either horrible frame rates, or horribly low settings/resolutions to get by. thats not a great gaming experience, its showing that a great many people don't get that theoretical advantage of the pc. 9800/9600 are pretty much obsolete too now to boot 9600 certainly, 9800 newer engines rape it. so yea u can "get by" without running the 6 month upgrade cycle and well most people can't be bothered or afford it, but you are seriously missing out/sacrificing when you don't. and not all engines are forgiving as the source engine, its famous for its scalability with older hardware. i could get decent framerates by lowering resolution to 800x600 on an overclocked radeon 9000pro for instance in hl2/counterstrike with lowest everything(even in drivers). but in other engines that offload less to the cpu like doom3, there was no setting that i could play at all. looking at the results it seems a large chunk of pc gamers don't get to see any pc gaming graphics advantage over xbox 360 at all, they aren't even close to matching it.

20% is a lot in comparison to that chart. I should have said it is the most common card. I'm not sure what you mean by newer engines rape the 9800, I just got done saying I have one and play it. I play BF2 at 1280x768 (or whatever that res is) medium quality. I played Doom3 and Quake4. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I run everything ultrahigh or perfectly, but your use of the word "rape" is very misleading and, well, just plain inaccurate.

And you have to realize, that anyone currently using a 9800/9600 is FAR BEYOND a 6 month cycle. We are talking years now not just months. Any of them could grab a 6600 cheap and keep on trucking.

 

[0roo0roo]

not that far, the farther you go the more expensive it became. upon release it was $400 dollars 2 years ago after all. not chump change at all. and on big lcds that are getting more common its unacceptable to drop resolution, 1024x1280 is minimum resolution these days. to retain premium performance you cannot wait so long or drop your settings. sure you can settle for less, but the superiority arguement pretty much dies when you start doing that.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Well sh!t, what was I thinking? I should completely trust one guy's opinion on the product, the one guy who is using said product to try and completely disspell other's opinions when his own "facts" are solely based on conjecture.

Alright, I'll simply repeat what I said before...

If you have such paranoid doubt over the quality of Cedega, start a thread about it. Or hell, download it and try it, it's free. But you're just going in circles with your "prove to me it's good, why should I believe you? prove it" bullshi!t just go try it.

And you're wondering why I called you a fanboy? You're either a fanboy or are purposefully dense, I don't know what's worse. Fvcking cockroach.

I'll go with purposefully dense . Is it in my interest to go searching for something you claim? Not really. God forbid you prove your own arguments, instead of expecting others to do your homework for you.

And if I'm a cockroach, you're just a cock. (Good night everybody!! I'll be here all week!! ) (p.s. It was a purposefully dense joke, just trying to live up to expectations for you.)

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
I'll go with purposefully dense . Is it in my interest to go searching for something you claim? Not really. God forbid you prove your own arguments, instead of expecting others to do your homework for you.

My homework for me? I mentioned Cedega and you got into a big frigging arjy-barjy about it. You're such a dumbass, there are no words.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
i tried the Q4 demo, and i ran the FEAR MP demo @ 8x6 with 2x FSAA on a 9800 NON PRO

if 8x6 is unacceptable, i hope you don't play any console games since they run at 640x480!

I hate the whole resolution arguement, because when talking about non-HD resolutions, the PC wins on paper. However, a standard game running on the console at 480i/480p typically looks just as good as a game running at 800x600, sometimes even as good as 1024x768. However, there is no way I could argue this for consoles to you guys, so have your stats win this time.

Frankly, I think that is a valid complaint myself...and one that is the most glossed over in pro console arguments. appopin continues to compare the ~1024x768@ ~30fps (which is microsofts minimum requirement, and the max for TVs I believe? Unless I've been mislead) of the xbox360 to the 1600x1200 @ ?fps on the PC. A good point is made that you don't need a $500 video card to get play new games at 1024x768 and a mere 30fps.

I'm sure its a matter of opinion, but I've yet to play a console game on a TV that didn't look blurry, particularly when compared to the relative crispness of a regular old computer monitor. And I don't play anything above 1024x768 (I don't want to get caught up in the high end video card upgrade game. ) Granted, these aren't HD tvs I'm talking about...but I don't like watching TV, and my 20 year old zenith isn't going anywhere it seems. (Thing won't die!) This blurriness has always made reading text a chore...even when its blown up to large sizes to compensate. Its not a big deal in some game genre's though.

Great writeup of comparisons btw. This arguement comes up all the time, but there is never a clear winner. Different genre's suit the different platforms better. And the platforms suit different individual tastes. You won't catch me playing a sports game any time soon, and its pretty widely acknowledged that that is a console's domain. Why should I buy a console then? I like FPS, first person RPGs and the occasional strategy games. All of which either have weak or no offerings on consoles. But if n0c likes sports, racing, etc...I couldn't really recommend he buy a new PC to play the handful of titles.

Both sides always seem to be reaching with their arguements. Assuming everyone has a semi high end PC that they just need to plunk a video card in isn't a valid comparison. Neither is assuming every console user already has a HD TV just lying around their house. One is a dedicated machine, and the other is a generalist machine.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
$2000 for an Xbox 360 vs $1000~$1500 for a kick ass PC with better controls, and cheaper games.
Why would you buy an Xbox 360?!?!?

$399 isn't $2000 my low IQ friend.

 

[TheUnk]

1024x768?

HDTV is either 720p or 1080i/p. Those resolutions equal to 1280x720 and 1920x1080.

Anyways.. I think mose people buy a console for gaming because chances are it will be trouble free and you don't have to be 2 parts nerd to get games working and play online.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: TheUnk
1024x768?

HDTV is either 720p or 1080i/p. Those resolutions equal to 1280x720 and 1920x1080.

Anyways.. I think mose people buy a console for gaming because chances are it will be trouble free and you don't have to be 2 parts nerd to get games working and play online.

And most people don't have hi-def, which is something like 919x525 (at least on 16:9 NTSC) so unless you pay megabucks for a hi-def TV you're getting even less than 1024x768.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
heh yea keira is so flat they had to photochop her in ads

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toss in katherine heigl for good measure
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I'm on page 1 in this thread and so far..... this is the best post.

 

[TheUnk]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis
And most people don't have hi-def, which is something like 919x525 (at least on 16:9 NTSC) so unless you pay megabucks for a hi-def TV you're getting even less than 1024x768.

You can get 30" HDTVs with built-in tuners for $500-$600 these days. 27" ones for even less around $300-$400. That's hardly megabucks. Chances are, most people that can afford a $399 console + several $60 games can afford a new TV in a couple months too. In the end still less than an entire computer set up of equal power, plus you'll get a bigger screen... Obviously you get a lot more functionality from your PC though.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
heh yea keira is so flat they had to photochop her in ads

more beckinsale
yay
toss in katherine heigl for good measure
whos ample
assets
are oh so very titillating

I'm on page 1 in this thread and so far..... this is the best post.

:thumbsup:

*tosses OrooOroo a cold :beer:*

 

[videogames101]

This is great entertainment, i just read this 10 page thread and never got bored. I guess thats the only real use that will become of this... So now my view

I can't justify a xbox360 when i don't have an hdtv. My 9800Pro can run BF2 at 1024x7** and low/medium settings and it gets 50+ fps. Xbox CAN run higher res but i can't support any higher then crap on my tv. This is the case with most people. So a 9800pro thats costs what like 125$ now can run a higher res then a 400$ xbox 360? Don't bring up the fact that it CAN run higher then my 9800 pro, because i can't shell out for a hdtv and therefor it CANNOT run higher then my 9800pro with out cash into it. Please find a flaw in my logic???

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
heh yea keira is so flat they had to photochop her in ads

more beckinsale
yay
toss in katherine heigl for good measure
whos ample
assets
are oh so very titillating

I'm on page 1 in this thread and so far..... this is the best post.

:thumbsup:

*tosses OrooOroo a cold :beer:*

:beer:
I'm on the last page now and that's still the best post so far.
:thumbsup:

 

[TheUnk]

It's kindof a silly argument "most people don't have an HDTV"... Most people don't have a fast enough PC to play the latest games either.

I love PCs and consoles, but if I was 16 working at McDonalds, I'd buy the 360, assuming I only wanted to game. No way could I afford a fast PC, especially since I'd have to buy a monitor too.

Sure I only have a standard TV now, but if I wanted I could get one next year and not have to upgrade my video card too.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: TheUnk
You can get 30" HDTVs with built-in tuners for $500-$600 these days. 27" ones for even less around $300-$400. That's hardly megabucks. Chances are, most people that can afford a $399 console + several $60 games can afford a new TV in a couple months too. In the end still less than an entire computer set up of equal power, plus you'll get a bigger screen... Obviously you get a lot more functionality from your PC though.

Then why do most people still use 919x525 CRT TVs? Answer me that.

Originally posted by: TheUnk
It's kindof a silly argument "most people don't have an HDTV"... Most people don't have a fast enough PC to play the latest games either.

See the steam poll. Almost everyone playing games on these PCs is playing on a PC that can run the latest games, regardless of detail.

But, again I like to compare apples to apples, so we should ask those people how the game runs for them in 919x525 resolution. Needless to say, it's been said in this thread already many times, a mere 9800 Pro is fully capable of producing what the X360 offers.

I rest my case, your honour.

 

[TheUnk]

meh I find it hard to believe that my 9800pro could run CoD2 at the same level of quality the 360 can.. Maybe if I ever manage to get a 360, I'll throw in my 9800pro and see how it handles =p

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Not being an uberelite gamer, not caring much for most FPSers, not having much time to devote to video games, not being able to get into many games with people I've never met on the other side of the world as opposed to a smaller group of friends locally: Why should I invest in only PC gaming hardware? How do you get a small group of people together in one place to play games without a time consuming and complicated setup? How do you refill the shot glasses when there are a bunch of PC towers and monitors in the way?

You stop buying consoles, which would encourage locally multiplayer titles to be developed and released for the PC.

Then we'd have to be crowded around a tiny little monitor. Ick.

How would having a dedicated gaming PC be any different than having a console? How do you get your gaming machine to require zero maintenance?

I ran my computer to my tv and my receiver. Throw in some gamepads, and I was in emulator heaven. I even had a four player M.U.L.E. session going on on my 27" TV. All because my card had video out. You could also buy wireless controllers if you are really partial to them.

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Define veritable. Linux is not, and never will be, a viable gaming platform.

The Cedega website is your friend, I'm not about to copy the entire list of games Cedega can run just for the benefit of some fanboys on a forum. It's a fvcking big list.

Hmm, never heard of Cedega before. Now how does it actually work, besides reading the obviously biased user testimonials on the site? It doesn't look like they allow you access to any forums until you subscribe, which runs $5 a month, still not free. Although I guess you could compare the cost of Cedega (assuming it works as advertised) to the cost of Live.

Cedega is free, through CVS.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: blurredvision
I'll go with purposefully dense . Is it in my interest to go searching for something you claim? Not really. God forbid you prove your own arguments, instead of expecting others to do your homework for you.

My homework for me? I mentioned Cedega and you got into a big frigging arjy-barjy about it. You're such a dumbass, there are no words.

Whatever the hell an "arjy-barjy" is, I certainly did not get "into it". You mentioned this program, and you say it works and that's all I need to know. Well I'm not taking one person's word on it. Now you want me to start threads and ask around to prove your point? I'm not your bitch, make your own point.

Originally posted by: videogames101
I can't justify a xbox360 when i don't have an hdtv. My 9800Pro can run BF2 at 1024x7** and low/medium settings and it gets 50+ fps. Xbox CAN run higher res but i can't support any higher then crap on my tv. This is the case with most people. So a 9800pro thats costs what like 125$ now can run a higher res then a 400$ xbox 360? Don't bring up the fact that it CAN run higher then my 9800 pro, because i can't shell out for a hdtv and therefor it CANNOT run higher then my 9800pro with out cash into it. Please find a flaw in my logic???

The flaw in your logic is you are running BF2 at low/medium settings, my guess mostly at low settings. So you're getting low-res textures, probably no particle effects, low-poly models, minimum draw distance, low-end sound, etc. The 360 will be capable of a lot more than a lowly 9800pro. The chipset is based on a next-gen GPU core for christ's sake. However, everything else you posted is exactly why this thread will never go anywhere, the arguments result in a tug-of-war with both the same strength. I'm only still here because Exsomnis refuses to quit being a little bitch, and can't understand his head from his ass.

 

[TheUnk]

Originally posted by: ExsomnisThen why do most people still use 919x525 CRT TVs? Answer me that.

Because a lot of people just don't see a need to upgrade a TV... Remember when DVDs first came out and sooo many people still had VCRs? It took several years but eventually everyone sees the light =)

 

[JonnyBlaze]

a mere 9800 Pro is fully capable of producing what the X360 offers.

no it cant. i have a 9800pro and i have to run at 1024x768 or 800x600 to get decent framerates with cod2.

iv played cod2 on the 360 and it blows my pc away.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze

a mere 9800 Pro is fully capable of producing what the X360 offers.

no it cant. i have a 9800pro and i have to run at 1024x768 or 800x600 to get decent framerates with cod2.

iv played cod2 on the 360 and it blows my pc away.

Your X360 is playing in much less than 1024x768 if you don't have hi-def. :roll: And the vast majority do not.

Originally posted by: TheUnk
Because a lot of people just don't see a need to upgrade a TV... Remember when DVDs first came out and sooo many people still had VCRs? It took several years but eventually everyone sees the light =)

So now you're saying people should buy a hi-def TV for the X360?

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Whatever the hell an "arjy-barjy" is, I certainly did not get "into it". You mentioned this program, and you say it works and that's all I need to know. Well I'm not taking one person's word on it. Now you want me to start threads and ask around to prove your point? I'm not your bitch, make your own point.

So... You can't take one person's word on it, yet won't ask anyone else? You're either the biggest dumbass alive or the biggest hypocrite alive. Hell, you just admitted to being purposefully dense in the first post of this page, so I don't know why I am even replying to someone who does that.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

Your X360 is playing in much less than 1024x768 if you don't have hi-def. And the vast majority do not.

i played it on a hdtv. it kills my setup on a 2005fp.

vast majority? i know very few people that still have sdtvs. you can also hook the 360 to 90% of pc monitors out there and get 720p.