Why would you buy a console for gaming

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
Ok, here's XP Professional then, for $150.

Just felt the need to point out that Windows XP Professional with SP2 is free. So are games. Another advantage to PCs lol! (Joke, almost.)

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: apoppin
You're the one that looks like a bigger buffoon with every statement you make . . . You just admitted: "I was able to enjoy the big games of 2004 (HL2, Far Cry, Doom 3) on it, and in 1024x768"

Straw man fallacy, try debating my actual point if you want to debate me. I was simply pointing out how people keep comparing the X360 to $399 graphics cards, when a graphics card capable of whatever the X360 puts out actually costs a fraction of that.

Personally, I prefer 1600x1200 resolution, hence why I am now exclusively a PC gamer. I also consider the price to be more than worth it for the extra versatility and image quality on a PC.

Wow! 10x7 . . . i'm impressed. . . . not
. . . Xbox360 does better than that

Console gamers - with their ancient 5-year-old-machines are ALSO able to enjoy the SAME games [one 'notch' down. . . on their original $300 purchase . .. muuch better than ANY top PC of 5 years ago.

Again, I was simply using the 1024x768 example to refute the people who think that, graphically, an X360 = a $399 graphics card. Just a bogus comparison, try comparing an X360 to a 9800 Pro or something instead and you're talking more sense.

try debating my points

your main point is false . . . there are NO mid-range gfx cards that will do what the xbox360 can do . . . have you forgotten that its GPU is STILL more advanced than ANY you can buy [yet] . . . not to mention the xbox programmers don't have to program for 9600xt [the new LCD] nor is there a Huge overhead with Windows hogging resources

have you even SEEN a properly set up 360:Q

it blows your rig's games' gfx away[period] and it would cost you WAAAY more than $400 to upgrade it to even come close..

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis
Just felt the need to point out that Windows XP Professional with SP2 is free. So are games. Another advantage to PCs lol! (Joke, almost.)

lol, free until the FBI or whoever fines you or imprisons you. There are a good number of games that are freeware or abandonware, however. The Marathon Trilogy was recently been allowed for download by Bungie, and websites like Abandonia have all sorts of fun old games to play.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: apoppin
your main point is false . . . there are NO mid-range gfx cards that will do what the xbox360 can do . . . have you forgotten that its GPU is STILL more advanced than ANY you can buy [yet] . . . not to mention the xbox programmers don't have to program for 9600xt [the new LCD] nor is there a Huge overhead with Windows hogging resources

That's funny, because I've seen Quake IV playing fine on a 9800 Pro in 1024x768. An X360 isn't capable of this.

it blows your rig's games' gfx away[period] and it would cost you WAAAY more than $400 to upgrade it to even come close..

Oh really, lol. See above dumbass.

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
lol, free until the FBI or whoever fines you or imprisons you.

Paranoia at its finest. Even if I did commit piracy, I would just say the following nine words;

I bought that hard drive second-hand, your honour.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: apoppin
You just admitted: "I was able to enjoy the big games of 2004 (HL2, Far Cry, Doom 3) on it, and in 1024x768"

Wow! 10x7 . . . i'm impressed. . . . not
. . . Xbox360 does better than that

Of course it does, it's brand new. My PC is 3.5 years old.

Console gamers - with their ancient 5-year-old-machines are ALSO able to enjoy the SAME games [one 'notch' down. . . on their original $300 purchase . .. muuch better than ANY top PC of 5 years ago.

Half the resolution isn't one notch down. Regardless, resolution is a very small factor in image quality.

You're the one that looks like a bigger buffoon with every statement you make . . .

One of us has no argument and is resorting to namecalling

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Seriously, how would I make the gaming PC low maintenance enough to make it worth it?

Either you've had some really bad luck (I doubt it), don't know your way around PCs (doubt that too), or you're greatly exaggerating the maintenance required and frequency of problems to better back up your argument (Ding ding ding). A PC requires 5-10 minutes a month of maintenance.

Except hauling the tv or the computer around when I want to play a game that doesn't exist yet with a bunch of friends. Not to mention the issue of controllers (that there aren't really any standard ones).

If picking up a PC is difficult, you should try this "Gym" game I keep hearing about Regardless, if your TV is HD, there's no reason not to keep the PC near it. You can save $$ on a monitor by using the TV as one. HTPC cases are getting smaller, sleeker & quieter, can look into those as well.

What do you mean, controllers aren't standard? They all offer the basic few buttons that console controllers do, and many offer more. Some are wireless, such as mine And all follow the USB standard.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
Ok, here's XP Professional then, for $150. A bit more then I thought, but it's not too expensive.

It's OEM, try again. If I get an OEM copy, and upgrade my motherboard, I have to buy a new copy of Windows. Not good.

I dunno about that. When it first came out the AI was excellent. The soldiers would fight you in all sorts of different ways and those little mutants were stealthy. Far Cry allowed some pretty massive levels, like the one where you escaped from the fortress in a Jeep and watched battles going on all over the place. You also had a large amount of freedom for a FPS, with multiple ways to do most missions. With different maps you had options to silently sneak around a base or blow the whole thing up. You could go on a steep hike, shooting soldiers that may come your way, or you could pull out a hanglider and watch out for helicopters. Most first person shooters would rather force you into a certain path and give you a "Game over!" pop-up if you didn't.

It still doesn't sound innovative to me. I've played at least a few games that let you kind of pick your own path. Sounds interesting, just not innovative.

Eh, I suppose. My main complaint is that at least the PC has some great games that you can play over and over again, even if some of them are pretty old. But what innovative games does the X-Box have? You get Sports Clone 2kX, Generic Racer #42, and horrible ports like Mafia and DX2. Sure, every once in a while you get something relatively new, but it never takes the genre further. There's the game Halo which most fan boys worship, despite the fact that Marathon from 1994 was more advanced in every way other than graphics.

I've got plenty of games that give me plenty of fun gameplay on consoles. I don't know about the xbox, I never got one.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Seriously, how would I make the gaming PC low maintenance enough to make it worth it?

Either you've had some really bad luck (I doubt it), don't know your way around PCs (doubt that too), or you're greatly exaggerating the maintenance required and frequency of problems to better back up your argument (Ding ding ding). A PC requires 5-10 minutes a month of maintenance.

Bull. Between testing and installing OS updates, game updates, anti-virus updates, checking the system logs daily, checking the firewall logs daily, updating drivers, and all the rest of the stuff you've invested hours per week.

If picking up a PC is difficult, you should try this "Gym" game I keep hearing about

It's not difficult in that it's heavy, it's difficult in: you have to shut it down shocked: ), unplug everything (speakers, mouse, keyboard, monitor, external hard drives, power, ethernet), carry it into the other room, ensure the woman that it won't stay there and no matter how drunk we get we'll clean up, bring all of the accessories in, and plug them all back in. Too much work just to play a game.

Regardless, if your TV is HD, there's no reason not to keep the PC near it. You can save $$ on a monitor by using the TV as one. HTPC cases are getting smaller, sleeker & quieter, can look into those as well.

I have plenty of monitors already. Plus, if someone else wants to watch tv while I'm reading my email it's a big PITA.

What do you mean, controllers aren't standard? They all offer the basic few buttons that console controllers do, and many offer more. Some are wireless, such as mine And all follow the USB standard.

But a lot of them are shaped differently than the ones I'm used to and chances are they probably use different drivers. Do they all work perfectly with every game?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
It's OEM, try again. If I get an OEM copy, and upgrade my motherboard, I have to buy a new copy of Windows. Not good.

Why would you need to upgrade your motherboard? I've had mine since 2001, and the only parts that I needed to upgrade was my video card and my RAM. I doubt PCI-E will be out of date any time soon, and DDR will probably last long enough that you'll be able to use 2GB in the next couple of years and not have your computer too slow.

It still doesn't sound innovative to me. I've played at least a few games that let you kind of pick your own path. Sounds interesting, just not innovative.

Well, there were a few. Deus Ex was pretty non-linear as well. Far Cry is different in that it focused primarily on action and yet it still gave freedom. When's the last time you play any other shoot to kill game like Doom or Quake that let you do a lot?

I've got plenty of games that give me plenty of fun gameplay on consoles. I don't know about the xbox, I never got one.

Eh, maybe I just get bored easily. But whenever I play pretty much any console game I can think of a few others that were basically just the same. The Dreamcast had some fun games along with the SNES, but otherwise I can't seem to find any worth playing for long periods of time.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Bull. Between testing and installing OS updates, game updates, anti-virus updates, checking the system logs daily, checking the firewall logs daily, updating drivers, and all the rest of the stuff you've invested hours per week.

You assume all PC users have to do this, I say you are paranoid.

It's not difficult in that it's heavy, it's difficult in: you have to shut it down shocked: ), unplug everything (speakers, mouse, keyboard, monitor, external hard drives, power, ethernet), carry it into the other room, ensure the woman that it won't stay there and no matter how drunk we get we'll clean up, bring all of the accessories in, and plug them all back in. Too much work just to play a game.

Which is why you buy an LCDTV or widescreen TFT if you care so much, then you can sit there using your PC in the living room as if it was a console, not to mention you could also plug a console into the same screen.

I have plenty of monitors already. Plus, if someone else wants to watch tv while I'm reading my email it's a big PITA.

It's called compromise, what do you do if someone wants to use the PC while you're checking your email? :roll:

But a lot of them are shaped differently than the ones I'm used to and chances are they probably use different drivers. Do they all work perfectly with every game?

LOL, so I guess you will refuse to buy a PS3 since they have completely redesigned the pad. I guess you'll never buy a console again for that matter.

BTW, seeing as you live under a rock, I shall inform you about USB converters... They're handy things... I've played many PC games with Dreamcast, Playstation, and Xbox controllers due to those. And they cost mere pennies.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
It's OEM, try again. If I get an OEM copy, and upgrade my motherboard, I have to buy a new copy of Windows. Not good.

Why would you need to upgrade your motherboard? I've had mine since 2001, and the only parts that I needed to upgrade was my video card and my RAM. I doubt PCI-E will be out of date any time soon, and DDR will probably last long enough that you'll be able to use 2GB in the next couple of years and not have your computer too slow.

What if it stops working? Or I finally want to get an athlon64?

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
What if it stops working? Or I finally want to get an athlon64?

PC games are currently GPU limited, not CPU limited. As long as he's using something better than an AthlonXP 2100+ then chances are he will be able to play games just fine for a little while longer.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis
You assume all PC users have to do this, I say you are paranoid.

I wouldn't disagree with you, but I think this is a minimum of what should be going on. The paranoid part is what I didn't mention. :evil:

It's called compromise, what do you do if someone wants to use the PC while you're checking your email? :roll:

I tell them to use their own machine. The woman has her computer, I've got mine.

LOL, so I guess you will refuse to buy a PS3 since they have completely redesigned the pad. I guess you'll never buy a console again for that matter.

It's possible.

BTW, seeing as you live under a rock, I shall inform you about USB converters... They're handy things... I've played many PC games with Dreamcast, Playstation, and Xbox controllers due to those. And they cost mere pennies.

I've heard of them, never wanted to get one though. I can't play my ps2 games on the PC, so why bother?

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I've heard of them, never wanted to get one though. I can't play my ps2 games on the PC, so why bother?

Actually, you can, but let's not get into that or someone will tell me that a SWAT team will pole-vault through my window and shoot my family for breaking copyright law or some other BS like they did when I joked about PC games being free. :roll:

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
What if it stops working? Or I finally want to get an athlon64?

If it stops working you can get a replacement. Don't most come with a one to three year warranty? Not to mention that my motherboard is from some company called FIC. An ASUS or MSI would probably last even longer. Sure, everyone gets bad luck occasionally with a broken motherboard within a couple of months, but otherwise hardware just doesn't fail that much. A new CPU isn't that necessary when it comes to game requirements either. After four or so years you'll want new motherboard which would require a new copy of Windows, yes. But by then, isn't there going to be a new operating system released anyways?

Originally posted by: Exsomnis
Actually, you can, but let's not get into that or someone will tell me that a SWAT team will pole-vault through my window and shoot my family for breaking copyright law or some other BS like they did when I joked about PC games being free. :roll:

Emulating a real PS2 game (not a copy or pirate) on your PC is illegal?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
What if it stops working? Or I finally want to get an athlon64?

PC games are currently GPU limited, not CPU limited. As long as he's using something better than an AthlonXP 2100+ then chances are he will be able to play games just fine for a little while longer.

That still doesn't solve the problem of the motherboard breaking. Plus, if I'm upgrading the system, there is no reason to use anything less than an AMD64 processor. NX makes everything else stupid.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: apoppin
You just admitted: "I was able to enjoy the big games of 2004 (HL2, Far Cry, Doom 3) on it, and in 1024x768"

Wow! 10x7 . . . i'm impressed. . . . not
. . . Xbox360 does better than that

Of course it does, it's brand new. My PC is 3.5 years old.

Console gamers - with their ancient 5-year-old-machines are ALSO able to enjoy the SAME games [one 'notch' down. . . on their original $300 purchase . .. muuch better than ANY top PC of 5 years ago.

Half the resolution isn't one notch down. Regardless, resolution is a very small factor in image quality.

You're the one that looks like a bigger buffoon with every statement you make . . .

One of us has no argument and is resorting to namecalling

Agreed . . . you have no argument nor any clue about the HW powering the xbox360 . . . nor the programming nor the SW nor the LCD required to program for the PC. . .
"buffoon" was in reply to the biggest *dumb ass" here [his words i am throwing back at him] - Exsomnis - who has even less of a clue than anyone else.

He can't even comprehend that x360's Q4 is a CRAPPY/rushed port . . . and it don't play so well on a 9800p either if you really want to see what the game can deliver.

i can't spend the time to educate you guys. i have spent hours in the Video forum debating what would take you a long time to catch-up on.

Just wanna play PC only games? Fine with me. Your loss in every way.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
It's OEM, try again. If I get an OEM copy, and upgrade my motherboard, I have to buy a new copy of Windows. Not good.

Why would you need to upgrade your motherboard? I've had mine since 2001, and the only parts that I needed to upgrade was my video card and my RAM. I doubt PCI-E will be out of date any time soon, and DDR will probably last long enough that you'll be able to use 2GB in the next couple of years and not have your computer too slow.

What if it stops working? Or I finally want to get an athlon64?

Moot point really, as you can't upgrade consoles either.

On controllers - I've never had a problem with the ones I've tried, nor had to install specific drivers. PCs are getting more & more standardized.

On Far Cry - HamburgerBoy makes some good points. It really is an innovative game, both graphically and in terms of gameplay, and has become one of my alltime favorite titles. If you have the means, I'd definitely recommend checking it out.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: apoppin
"buffoon" was in reply to the biggest *dumb ass" here [his words i am throwing back at him] - Exsomnis - who has even less of a clue than anyone else.

I couldn't give a sh!t about using swears or calling you a dumbass, you're a big boy and can handle it I'm sure.

He can't even comprehend that x360's Q4 is a CRAPPY/rushed port . . . and it don't play so well on a 9800p either if you really want to see what the game can deliver.

Excuses, excuses... FYI: Quake IV does run fine on a 9800 Pro, fact.

i can't spend the time to educate you guys. i have spent hours in the Video forum debating what would take you a long time to catch-up on.

You don't even make points in this thread, all you've done is sit back and go "PC SUX CONSOLE RULZ!" whereas at least the other console fanboys have made POINTS when debating this. Please, educate us.

Just wanna play PC only games? Fine with me. Your loss in every way.

I don't just want to play PC games, I used to love console gaming before a.) PC gaming surpassed it in leaps and bouns, and b.) before consoles turned into portable PCs with twice the hassle and more expensive games.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: RBachman
Moot point really, as you can't upgrade consoles either.

It isn't moot. The PC is a multipurpose tool. Anything less than an AMD64 proc is silly these days.

On controllers - I've never had a problem with the ones I've tried, nor had to install specific drivers. PCs are getting more & more standardized.

On Far Cry - HamburgerBoy makes some good points. It really is an innovative game, both graphically and in terms of gameplay, and has become one of my alltime favorite titles. If you have the means, I'd definitely recommend checking it out.

That's good to know. Maybe I'll check it out.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: apoppin
"buffoon" was in reply to the biggest *dumb ass" here [his words i am throwing back at him] - Exsomnis - who has even less of a clue than anyone else.

You said it in regards to my quoted comment, if it wasn't directed at me then I'll retract my comment.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
It isn't moot. The PC is a multipurpose tool. Anything less than an AMD64 proc is silly these days.

For what? Maybe my Thunderbird is a bit behind the times, but a cheap Athlon XP or Pentium 4 should be good enough for most people. What do you do that absolutely needs an A64?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
It isn't moot. The PC is a multipurpose tool. Anything less than an AMD64 proc is silly these days.

For what? Maybe my Thunderbird is a bit behind the times, but a cheap Athlon XP or Pentium 4 should be good enough for most people. What do you do that absolutely needs an A64?

Nothing requires it, but having improved memory protection alone makes it the best choice.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: apoppin
"buffoon" was in reply to the biggest *dumb ass" here [his words i am throwing back at him] - Exsomnis - who has even less of a clue than anyone else.

I couldn't give a sh!t about using swears or calling you a dumbass, you're a big boy and can handle it I'm sure.

He can't even comprehend that x360's Q4 is a CRAPPY/rushed port . . . and it don't play so well on a 9800p either if you really want to see what the game can deliver.

Excuses, excuses... FYI: Quake IV does run fine on a 9800 Pro, fact.

i can't spend the time to educate you guys. i have spent hours in the Video forum debating what would take you a long time to catch-up on.

You don't even make points in this thread, all you've done is sit back and go "PC SUX CONSOLE RULZ!" whereas at least the other console fanboys have made POINTS when debating this. Please, educate us.

Just wanna play PC only games? Fine with me. Your loss in every way.

I don't just want to play PC games, I used to love console gaming before a.) PC gaming surpassed it in leaps and bouns, and b.) before consoles turned into portable PCs with twice the hassle and more expensive games.

i don't care what you think either . . . i just wanted to call you what you call me

"fine" on a 9800p . . . 10x7 max if you like "details".

i NEVER said PC gaming sucks . . . the PC is my current ONLY gaming rig . . .
i DID say it would cost me much more to upgrade my rig than to buy a x360 . . . you saw my specs and can offer no alternative.

1) PC gaming has NOT surpassed console games . . . quite the opposite . . . 'Riddick' [a great FPS] is a port to PC.

2) what "more hassle" with consoles? . . . and they aren't much more expensive than their predecessors . . . Game prices are UP for PC and console.

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Do some research and then come back and post coherently.

i'll check back later and see if you learned something new .. . . i'm off [damn shopping]



aloha

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[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: apoppin
"buffoon" was in reply to the biggest *dumb ass" here [his words i am throwing back at him] - Exsomnis - who has even less of a clue than anyone else.

You said it in regards to my quoted comment, if it wasn't directed at me then I'll retract my comment.

look at the quotes . . . it was NOT directed at you!
[i had to look twice . . . damn "nested" quotes]:Q

sorry if i made it [even] look that way