When do you stop fascism from happening?

[agent00f]

Let me save you some time with agent. He is a known idiot. He works to promote violence to destroy our liberal system all while hiding behind the smug self confidence of a con man.

Have wondered where you've been. Nice to see you post.

Already responded...

"Force is a last resort that is a gamble."
"Guns kill people, not ideas."

And, while I support both uses of force to stop the institutions in both of your listed examples, its also true that force has not always worked and or made things worse.

I can easily counter with...
Spanish Civil war.

About the only good thing to come from that is Orwell's writing.

Oh I remember. I may have a low relative working memory Index score, but even I remember Agent.

No great surprise the comradery between fascist/nazi/confederate water boys. We just need @Jaskalas to agree that effective solutions against these sorts are the Real problem.

 

[realibrad]

No great surprise the comradery between fascist/nazi/confederate sympathizers.

Lol sure agent. I argue for talking over taking away free speech, and anti-violence and I am the fascist/nazi/confederate sympathizer.

Does that make those that argue for force and limiting speech anti-fascist, anti-nazi, and anti confederate?

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh I remember. I may have a low relative working memory Index score, but even I remember Agent.

The poor obsessive compulsionist has replied to 9 of my posts since 10:41 am. I have a puppy.

 

[theeedude]

Do you want to stop fascism from happening, or do you want to have interesting discourse (that no one hears) before it happens and you are shot or taken away to a concentration camp? Even if you want discourse, the other side has to have an incentive to engage in it.

 

[agent00f]

Lol sure agent. I argue for talking over taking away free speech, and anti-violence and I am the fascist/nazi/confederate sympathizer.

Does that make those that argue for force and limiting speech anti-fascist, anti-nazi, and anti confederate?

No, just a simple observation that degenerates always play the Real victims. Eg when there's a price to be paid for white supremacy & such.

The poor obsessive compulsionist has replied to 9 of my posts since 10:41 am. I have a puppy.

Interesting to brag about being the lowest hanging fruit for mockery.

Do you want to stop fascism from happening, or do you want to have interesting discourse (that no one hears) before it happens and you are shot or taken away to a concentration camp?

Rather obvious answer for friends to the concentration camp operators.

 

[realibrad]

Do you want to stop fascism from happening, or do you want to have interesting discourse (that no one hears) before it happens and you are shot or taken away to a concentration camp? Even if you want discourse, the other side has to have an incentive to engage in it.

Again, guns don't stop ideas. Well, unless you plan on murdering everyone with the ideas.

So the answer is I am for trying very very hard to stop forcing from having to be used.

 

[realibrad]

No, just a simple observation that degenerates always play the Real victims. Eg when there's a price to be paid for white supremacy & such.

Then perhaps you need to get your vision checked. I have literally done the opposite of what you seem to believe. Arguing for anti-violence, freedom of speech, and right of free passage is not pro fascism.

 

[theeedude]

Again, guns don't stop ideas. Well, unless you plan on murdering everyone with the ideas.
So the answer is I am for trying very very hard to stop forcing from having to be used.

Who said anything about using them? A well regulated militia is not about using their guns, it's about changing the calculus of wannabe fascists about using theirs.

 

[agent00f]

Again, guns don't stop ideas. Well, unless you plan on murdering everyone with the ideas.

So the answer is I am for trying very very hard to stop forcing from having to be used.

"You bring your ideas and we bring our guns." --fascists & friends

Then perhaps you need to get your vision checked. I have literally done the opposite of what you seem to believe. Arguing for anti-violence, freedom of speech, and right of free passage is not pro fascism.

I'm sure there are liberals dumb enough to fall for this sort of thing.

 

[realibrad]

Who said anything about using them? A well regulated militia is not about using their guns, it's about changing the calculus of wannabe fascists about using theirs.

Again, its not a very effective method. Militias reason for existing is not to be against fascism. Militias are made of people with opinions. The threat of force only dissuades those that are in opposition to the ideas of the militias. If the militias are the ones with the bad ideas, then what?

 

[realibrad]

"You bring your ideas and we bring our guns." --fascists & friends



I'm sure there are liberals dumb enough to fall for this sort of thing.

Wait, what side are you saying I'm on now? I'm advocating for ideas over guns, while at the same time promoting those with the guns?

Or are you saying that trying to reason with people is only going to get those people killed by those with guns?

 

[agent00f]

Wait, what side are you saying I'm on now? I'm advocating for ideas over guns, while at the same time promoting those with the guns?

Or are you saying that trying to reason with people is only going to get those people killed by those with guns?

Let's not pretend water boys for fascists/nazi/confederates are principled people.

 

[realibrad]

Let's not pretend water boys for fascists/nazi/confederates are principled people.

So its the first. I am arguing against the methods of fascist in an attempt to benefit the fascists. Lol.

 

[theeedude]

Again, its not a very effective method. Militias reason for existing is not to be against fascism. Militias are made of people with opinions. The threat of force only dissuades those that are in opposition to the ideas of the militias. If the militias are the ones with the bad ideas, then what?

It was effective in Ukraine. What militias did there is create problems for the regime. Mosquito bites in the grand scheme of things, but they provoked an overreaction from the regime, which then turned the population against it, leading to its overthrow.

 

[agent00f]

So its the first. I am arguing against the methods of fascist in an attempt to benefit the fascists. Lol.

By definition water boys will argue anything to the benefit of political allies/beneficiaries.

 

[realibrad]

It was effective in Ukraine. What militias did there is create problems for the regime. Mosquito bites in the grand scheme of things, but they provoked an overreaction from the regime, which then turned the population against it, leading to its overthrow.

Effective in stopping the regime sure, but it did nothing to stop the ideas. Further, you can easily imagine when those fighting against something bad turned into something bad.

Again, I reference the Spanish Civil War.

Also, realize that they had to turn the population against it which implies what to you?

 

[realibrad]

By definition water boys will argue anything to the benefit of political allies/beneficiaries.

Lol.

So I am arguing against said groups in an attempt to help said groups. You on the other hand are doing what to stop said groups?

 

[theeedude]

Effective in stopping the regime sure, but it did nothing to stop the ideas. Further, you can easily imagine when those fighting against something bad turned into something bad.

Again, I reference the Spanish Civil War.

Also, realize that they had to turn the population against it which implies what to you?

Are you saying without Spanish Civil War there would be no fascism in Spain?

 

[realibrad]

Are you saying without Spanish Civil War there would be no fascism in Spain?

No, I am saying that force is a gamble in terms of outcome. Debating ideas before it requires force would be far better than killing people to stop ideas.

 

[agent00f]

Lol.

So I am arguing against said groups in an attempt to help said groups. You on the other hand are doing what to stop said groups?

No, it's easy to see you're helping degen friends by agreeing they're the Real victims.

OTOH, pointing out how degeneracy works is a good first step to disrupting their little games that really dumb liberals always fall for.

 

[realibrad]

No, it's easy to see you're helping degen friends by agreeing they're the Real victims.

OTOH, pointing out how degeneracy works is a good first step to disrupting their little games that really dumb liberals always fall for.

They are only victims if violence of force or rights are taken away. If Fascists are fought through debate they are not victims. Or is your argument that being a fascist means they can never be victims?

 

[agent00f]

They are only victims if violence of force or rights are taken away. If Fascists are fought through debate they are not victims. Or is your argument that being a fascist means they can never be victims?

We naturally deprive criminals/prisoners of their rights, for good reason.

No great mystery here why you & co argue what your lot do.

 

[realibrad]

We naturally deprive criminals/prisoners of their rights, for good reason.

No great mystery here why you & co argue what your lot do.

Ah I see. So you label them as criminals and then take away their rights. So once someone believes in taking away others rights and freedoms because they are wrong, you should punish them by taking away their rights and freedoms because they are now criminals and have criminal ideas.

Lol.

 

[theeedude]

No, I am saying that force is a gamble in terms of outcome. Debating ideas before it requires force would be far better than killing people to stop ideas.

Fascists aren't going to debate anything with you unless they fear you.

 

[agent00f]

Ah I see. So you label them as criminals and then take away their rights. So once someone believes in taking away others rights and freedoms because they are wrong, you should punish them by taking away their rights and freedoms because they are now criminals and have criminal ideas.

Lol.

That's what the germans did to great effect, in contrast to your american colleagues who discussed their way to segregation. Again pretty obvious why respective sides argue what they do.

Fascists aren't going to debate anything with you unless they fear you.

Friends to fascists know what they're doing.