Originally posted by: chizow
Originally posted by: Red Irish
Chizow, changing the facts to suit your argument is about as low as you have stooped. On the "Securom on Games" thread I stated the following:
"I am currently experiencing no problems with Securom as I have not purchased any games that include Securom in recent months"
That was months, not years: Bioshock was the last game with Sony's malware that was installed on my system and, as I have stated before, Securom did cause problems. Does that count as misinformation, when you misquote another poster and lie about what they have written?
Changing the facts? No, both you and mindcycle are attempting to change the facts about what you've written in the past about SecuROM. You both now say you have no problem with CD and serial key checks as a form of DRM. If that were the case, why compile a
comprehensive list of titles with all forms of SecuROM when you really only had a problem with the 3 with online activation and install limits? LOL.
That's a lie. Does a serial check have to leave remnants on my system once the game is uninstalled? Securom does, as we both know. My position has not changed at any point, except where I leave you to your own devices to interpret what I have said.
DRM needs to be knived, kicked, slashed, burned and beaten. The only form in which I am willing to accept it is in the form of a simple CD-check. Is my stance clear now?
Care to edit that little nugget or are you back to haterading on all forms of SecuROM, being they involve more than a simple CD-check?
No, I like that ?nugget? as it stands.
Do you create the crap that we know and hate as Securom or are you simply playing a perverse form of devil's advocate?
No, I don't create any crap, in fact, I wouldn't need to post anything about DRM if people like you weren't busy making shit up about it. And again, with SecuROM, care to re-write the facts and change what you've written to "Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Spore" or am I changing the facts again by assuming you're referring to any DRM that includes SecuROM and more than a simple CD-check?
Securwrong is bad in any shape or form, you will never hear me state otherwise. CD-checks do not have to make registry entries that remain on my system subsequent to uninstalling the game, nor should they affect other software on a user's system or the user's hardware.
Seriously, I don't understand where you're coming from, unless you have a vested interest in the continued existence of Securom.
Clearly you don't, but then again you don't buy or play games given every relevant title in the last few years has included DRM such as Steam or SecuROM or online authorization and payment.
Once again, you lie. I have bought games and suffered the consequences of Securom
Securom and other forms of DRM do not prevent piracy, we've proven that: Spore was the most pirated game of 2008, a fact that you interpret as a Securom success story.
Rofl, we've proven you wrong on numerous accounts, the evidence is clear for everyone to see. Its easy enough for any reasonable mind to judge for themselves whether they want to believe: facts or a lying troll that admittedly joined these forums for the sole purpose of promoting anti-SecuROM and anti-DRM propaganda (you).
Back to the name calling, good argument there.
Moreover, numerous users on this and other sites have repeatedly complained about Securom and you consistently attempt to discredit them via a variety of means, including lying as we have seen above.
Where have I lied? Bioshock is almost 2 year old and had its installation limit removed a year after release, so if you had any real issues with its invasive DRM, it would've been over a year ago.
The Securom on Bioshock affected my optical drive. Why do you assume that I bought the game over a year ago? No need to answer that: once again, manipulating things to attempt to add more weight to your argument.
The only means I use to discredit people like you are readily available facts and references in the public domain for all to weigh and consider. All you have in reply is whatever BS rolls off your keyboard next or whatever propaganda and FUD you picked up from the anti-DRM circles you frequent.
Here's the kicker, it seems that EA have removed stringent DRM from the next installation of the Sims and are going to release with a simple disc check:
http://www.tomshardware.com/ne...M-sim-cd-key,7403.html
Obviously EA have been listening to all the FUD and BS that I and others have been spreading, it must be affecting their sales. If they can see sense, why can't you? Hopefully this is the start of a trend. Does this mean that you'll be losing your job? In any event, if the companies start to adopt policies that I and others have been advocating in various posts, your own posts should cause you no small embarrassment, assuming that you are able to feel some sense of shame.
Why? Unless your business is selling Securom it is difficult to understand your position. You also repeatedly state that Securom has never caused you any problems. If that is the case, why are you so eager to attack anyone who criticises EA or Securom?
I've already stated numerous times, my interest is in the continued welfare of the PC as a gaming platform for the sole purpose of gaming entertainment as a consumer. That's it. Piracy and anti-DRM propaganda and complaints
that have no merit directly undermines that interest.
No, as the companies are discovering, alienating your clients and violating their rights undermines the PC as a gaming platform. Promoting stringent DRM and ignoring legitimate complaints or attempting to discredit posters with legitimate concerns simply draws attention to the fact that you have a vested interest in abusive levels of security.
I've repeatedly stated I haven't had any problems with SecuROM, because I simply haven't had any problems with SecuROM. And I can again say with absolute certainty that I have more games, legally purchased and installed, that have SecuROM than anyone bitching and moaning about it in this thread.
Absolute certainty? You have to love this guy/girl.
I've already clearly shown that while problems with DRM do not exist, they are certainly overstated and do not change the fact that DRM is more effective at preventing piracy than no DRM and is therefore a necessary evil.
Necessary, yes, I suppose it is, but it does not have to punish paying customers
Please don't come back stating, as you so often do, that you are simply attempting to protect everyone from misinformation, there are too many people with legitimate complaints for it all to be explained away as a fallacy or simple misundertanding, and yet you refuse to listen to them or acknowledge that there might be some truth in what they are saying.
Where have I attacked legitimate complaints? I'm clearly attacking garbage, lies and misinformation you continue to perpetuate despite being proven wrong time and again. Its obvious you really don't have any idea how any of the DRM you complain about even works, again, evidenced numerous times in this thread with your ignorance regarding Spore.
Once again, if I'm wrong, why is EA listening to me?
Moreover, you continuously encourage us all to stop complaining and accept the inevitable: once again, there seems to be a vested interest here.
Who said stop complaining? Complain about legitimate issues, not BS you feel like making up about DRM. Its really that simple.
Securom does nothing for games. Steam offers certain attractive features, but should be an optional service rather than a requirement.
Looks like it prevents piracy based on publicly available sales and piracy figures. I'd say its working, but that doesn't mean its perfect or 100% effective.
Yes, its working, working hard to piss people off when they just want to play a game. It's working so well they have abandoned it on the Sims
You are an EA employee, a Securom programmer/vendor or simply someone who consistently dislays an inability to think. In any event, please keep posting, as I stated above you serve our purposes perfectly, but please, don't misquote me or lie to the other members of the forum again.
That's certainly your opinion, but like most everything else you've posted, its obvious your opinion has no substance. There's no need to misquote you as your nonsensical claims, FUD, and misinformation do well enough to expose you as a troll with a singular focus on promoting anti-DRM agenda.
Anti-Securom, not anti-DRM, they are not one and the same.
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