Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[SpatiallyAware]

Tasha... Look at the pictures taken of him that night. We don't need a doctor's record to show the severe injuries from a vicious assault. His nose is clearly flattened, he has deep meaty wounds on his head.. Life threatening? No. But, these serious wounds are plenty enough to show trayvon's ultimate intent.

...But that's yet another part of your emotional bias, you clearly wanted zimmerman to wait literally one sidewalk-smash before death, before he should have defended himself...



Didn't trayvon test positive for drugs in his system in his autopsy..? Why are you spreading misinformation that he was clean?

 

[spidey07]

He had pot in his blood, taken from blood in his chest meaning he had smoked that night. He got the blunts at the 7-11 and had a lighter in his pocket. We was clearly intoxicated by something as evidenced in the 7-11 video.

"He looks like he's on drugs"

 

[tashatexas]

A return to work excuse from someone who just typed up.what he said is not a MEDICAL RECORD. It's an excuse note

Where are the handwritten notes, vitals, physical examine notes, xrays, blood work, gait check etc? That is a medical record and that type of stuff Zimmerman doesn't want released because nothing in there is about the night he supposedly almost died.

Even the P.A. didn't recommend.xrays after seeing him even though I'm assuming he told her his head was repeatedly bashed on concrete. Even she could look at the scratches on his head and determine that did not happen lol

 

[tashatexas]

SpatialAnus he says those scratches came from a one minute banging of the head on concrete that should be corroborated by medical records.

Why have you assholes been lying about his broken nose when that was never determined?

So we have two scratches and that's all per all available medical evidence what about that says Martin tried to kill him?

Spidey you lying fuck he had no pot in his system NONE. Your ass is on pot right now though you unemployed jack off.

 

[tashatexas]

Those scratches on his head show he got into a scuffle with a scared and screaming kid helpless to defend himself against someone much bigger who was able to not throw a punch and still walk away from a "fight" with basically no injuries. Tray didn't stand a chance. If you can not fight back in a fight and walk away with no knots on your head, no bloody lip no blood on your shirt, your clothes still clean and your shirt tucked in you WON THE FIGHT.

 

[Geosurface]

We already know he had illegal substances in his system that night from the SUMMARY toxicology report which has been made public.

The full toxicology report remains to be seen, and I tend to think the most likely reason it hasn't been released yet (in contravention of a legal ruling saying it should be) is that it contains evidence of further substance abuse. We shall see.

Nobody had been claiming that we had a copy of Zimmerman's medical record. What we were referring to is, as someone else said, his OBVIOUS injuries as shown in photos, combined with the fact that Mark O'Mara offered the medical record to Investigator Gilbreath at the first bond hearing.

If you wish to believe that O'Mara was bluffing and that wasn't a real doctor's record... or that it was but it actually didn't show anything that substantiated the injuries which were already documented by photograph and by EMT... then you're free to believe that but if you insist on continuing to maintain these sort of completely one sided, batshit crazy conspiracy theories about how EVERYTHING that support's GZ's account is false, fabricated, etc etc... then you may be setting yourself up for a very dramatic disappointment when the verdict comes down. Let's hope so.

Why is tasha adamently yelling that Trayvon had "NONE" of THC in his system when it's established fact that he did? tasha's opinions on this case have NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER with the facts in evidence.

Tasha quit being a dumbfuck, racial side-taking, spamming asshole. Learn how to combine multiple thoughts into one post, learn how to absorb information and then adjust your opinion accordingly, or get the fuck off these forums. Preferably both.

 

[tashatexas]

It's not about.Zimmerman "perceiving" his life was in danger he described in detail all of the things Tray did to him to try to kill him PHYSICALLY. Now if the physical evidence does not match what he said why would he lie about it unless he knew he killed Tray illegally? Getting into a scuffle while armed does not give you the right to use deadly force. If that's all he had from his.encounter with Tray CLEARLY HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY FROM IT WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT.

 

[tashatexas]

'every bitof information that has surfaced whether it be injury photos, doctor's report, EMT testimony, you name it... since that night, has piled more and more and more credibility onto what was initially a completely scoffed at account from GZ.' GEOSLUTBUCKET

First you havent seen a doctor's report which is what the fuck I said and secondly all they saw were SUPERFICIAL NON LIFE THREATENING SCRATCHES who gives a fuck about that.basic shit when Zimmerman claims he was nearly beaten to death???? He didn't say he shot because something scratched his head he said he was unable to get away and was being beaten on concrete that is not consistent with evidence. if two scratches is all you have after a fight THEN YOU COULD GET AWAY FROM IT.

 

[tashatexas]

Further. Geosurface you racist fruity fucker you should cease and desist saying Zimmerman had.a broken nose when there is no proof of it. None, not even photographed proof.

So if the so called first punch from Tray didn't break his nose, exactly WHAT kept him from continuing on to his car? His hot headed anger perhaps? Let's talk about what we've learned about Zimmerman shall we?

Tray DID NOT punch that fat ugly punk and then jump on top of him and try to kill him by beating him to death THAT NEVER HAPPENED because physical evidence doesnt lie. Tray showed no signs of beating up anybody and would be full of Zimmermans blood since his head was supposedly covered in blood. Forensics say something different happened.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Tasha you are so beyond ridiculous.

Trayvon was blazed that night. Zimmerman wounds are clearly evident, blunt force trauma, but obviously no need for x-rays.

I can't believe you're even trying to argue this stuff which we've proven numerous times in the thread already. Go back to debating the 1-2 foot differences in distance, as that's the only 'semi' legitimate thing you have to go on.

 

[Druidx]

Damn, Tash is in a total frenzy this morning. I see she is still going for quantity over quality.

 

[OCNewbie]

So if the so called first punch from Tray didn't break his nose, exactly WHAT kept him from continuing on to his car?

I believe that would be Tray, pinning GZ down, bashing his head against the concrete, not letting GZ up. I believe that is what kept him from doing anything else that he may have wanted to do, like get out from under TM.

 

[airdata]

There is a black and white supposedly of zimm w\ flattened nose. have heard some people dispute it's authenticity though.

 

[Geosurface]

There is no dispute as to it's authenticity it was a photograph taken by a police officer, in a police car, at the scene, and released by the prosecution in an evidence dump.

Oh and btw "blunt force trauma" indeed!

 

[spidey07]

There is a black and white supposedly of zimm w\ flattened nose. have heard some people dispute it's authenticity though.

You have GOT to be kidding me. It's part of the evidence. You think the prosecution doctored the photo or something?

 

[airdata]

You guys are going full retard.

I have seen people question the photo's authenticity. Simple statement.

I'm not saying " There's a fake picture, yada yada"

You guys need to think before you post and actually read posts. You look stupid as hell replying to my post all mad as if I posted something I didn't.

 

[Geosurface]

I wasn't mad, nor did I imply that you yourself said it was fake.

I merely dropped some knowledge regarding that question. Other people read what both of us write here, and it seemed appropriate to set the record straight re: that photo quickly after you mentioning it in that context.

 

[airdata]

Not that it matters though since the general consensus is that Zimmerman's injuries were minor and nowhere near life threatening.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You guys are going full retard.

I have seen people question the photo's authenticity. Simple statement.

I'm not saying " There's a fake picture, yada yada"

You guys need to think before you post and actually read posts. You look stupid as hell replying to my post all mad as if I posted something I didn't.

Bahaha... this, coming from a main member of the crumponite crew.... ROFL

 

[JKing106]

There is a black and white supposedly of zimm w\ flattened nose. have heard some people dispute it's authenticity though.

The B/W photo in question does look doctored. The real color photo shows Zimmerman with the bridge of his nose slightly swollen and lightly bruised, with a small cut across the bridge. His eyes are not blackened. A photo of the back of his head shows two cuts, with dried blood running slightly down and forward, toward the lower part of his face and ears. Curiously, there is no blood on the collar of his coat, or dried blood running down his neck toward his shoulders. He was in no way in danger of being beaten to death. It looked like a girl scout punched him and scratched the back of his head with her fingernails. Things are going to go badly for Zimmerman during the trial.

Link to all the photos you'd ever want to see. Not that it would matter to the Mighty Whitey Gang.

https://www.google.com/search?q=zim...e10QH2u4HADA&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1130&bih=899

 

[spidey07]

Not that it matters though since the general consensus is that Zimmerman's injuries were minor and nowhere near life threatening.

And that doesn't matter one bit. The injuries don't have to be life threatening, the fact that the injuries prove a beating and multiple blows to the head are MORE THAN enough to justify shooting. Not to mention being on back, mounted/straddled, defenseless, unable to retreat, screaming for help/disengage.

I see you're back to the "he wasn't beat up enough to justify shooting" bullshit. The law says you are flat out wrong in this line of thinking.

All that's required is reasonable fear of life or bodily injury via imminent threat. Legal precedent has established multiple blows to the head or striking with a blunt object automatically qualify as reasonable fear of death/injury.

You DO know you can legally shoot somebody without them even touching you, correct? That's what makes this so clear cut case of self defense, it has all the qualifiers and goes WAY beyond what is required for justifiable deadly force according to the law.

 

[Geosurface]

I recall the recent news story of the group of young black men attacking the old Hispanic man, and him dying from I believe a single punch to the head? Just a little harmless game of "knock out" right?

The mother and the son in question both reassured us that he never intended or imagined the man might die... he just wanted to assault him, punch him for fun, and knock him out. Death was not intended.

But the problem is, when you assault people, especially strangers... you just don't know what might happen. People sometimes take an absurd beating and keep on ticking, other times someone will die from something you never imagined might kill them. A single punch, or a single slam of their head on concrete, it's very unpredictable.

If it's a stranger you don't know what sort of heart conditions or other frailties they may have which could influence this.

This is why it's such a bad idea, and such a dangerous thing to attack people in a civilized society. Because the results are so unpredictable. That's why we made it illegal.

The problem is, GZ and TM didn't have any sort of agreed upon fight. There was no understanding ahead of time between them that it was just a fight, not an attempted murder... it wasn't broken down into rounds and there were no ground rules.

GZ had no idea what to expect, but TM showed him a willingness to keep beating him for a pretty prolonged period of time. TM showed no receptiveness to his cries and pleas to stop.

All this adds up to it being completely understandable, morally permissible, and legal for him to have used his firearm in self-defense. And this is before we've even entered the realm of TM possibly going for the gun, which if it's true just makes it all the more clear.

A really good way to avoid situations like that where you can either be shot by your victim, or end up facing legal consequences you never imagined because they unexpectedly died from your attack... is to not assault people. It's practically fool proof.

 

[JKing106]

I recall the recent news story of the group of young black men attacking the old Hispanic man, and him dying from I believe a single punch to the head? Just a little harmless game of "knock out" right?

The mother and the son in question both reassured us that he never intended or imagined the man might die... he just wanted to assault him, punch him for fun, and knock him out. Death was not intended.

But the problem is, when you assault people, especially strangers... you just don't know what might happen. People sometimes take an absurd beating and keep on ticking, other times someone will die from something you never imagined might kill them. A single punch, or a single slam of their head on concrete, it's very unpredictable.

If it's a stranger you don't know what sort of heart conditions or other frailties they may have which could influence this.

This is why it's such a bad idea, and such a dangerous thing to attack people in a civilized society. Because the results are so unpredictable. That's why we made it illegal.

The problem is, GZ and TM didn't have any sort of agreed upon fight. There was no understanding ahead of time between them that it was just a fight, not an attempted murder... it wasn't broken down into rounds and there were no ground rules.

GZ had no idea what to expect, but TM showed him a willingness to keep beating him for a pretty prolonged period of time. TM showed no receptiveness to his cries and pleas to stop.

All this adds up to it being completely understandable, morally permissible, and legal for him to have used his firearm in self-defense. And this is before we've even entered the realm of TM possibly going for the gun, which if it's true just makes it all the more clear.

A really good way to avoid situations like that where you can either be shot by your victim, or end up facing legal consequences you never imagined because they unexpectedly died from your attack... is to not assault people. It's practically fool proof.

You do get paid by the word, don't you?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

The B/W photo in question does look doctored. The real color photo shows Zimmerman with the bridge of his nose slightly swollen and lightly bruised, with a small cut across the bridge. His eyes are not blackened. A photo of the back of his head shows two cuts, with dried blood running slightly down and forward, toward the lower part of his face and ears. Curiously, there is no blood on the collar of his coat, or dried blood running down his neck toward his shoulders. He was in no way in danger of being beaten to death. It looked like a girl scout punched him and scratched the back of his head with her fingernails. Things are going to go badly for Zimmerman during the trial.

Link to all the photos you'd ever want to see. Not that it would matter to the Mighty Whitey Gang.

https://www.google.com/search?q=zim...e10QH2u4HADA&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1130&bih=899

This is such a stupid thing to argue... Cracked versus broken nose, lacerations versus wounds versus whatever...

There is plenty of videos and pics from zimmerman that night, ALL show his nose was "modified" by trayvon, ALL show blood and gaping wounds on the back of his head, ALL show facial bruising and imprints from trayvons hands holding zimmerman's head as he repeated attempted to kill him with the sidewalk. ALL of the evidence perfectly corroborates this.

These little details you are arguing regarding the severity of his injuries have zero relevance. We're talking about self-defense here, it is completely unreasonable to expect someone to know which blow will kill them, just so that at that exact moment it's "safe" to shoot the vicious attacker.

 

[airdata]

GM displayed that he had feelings of malice for Trayvon when he exited his vehicle and took off after him. This prior to having seen him do anything wrong or ILLEGAL since so many of you people keep saying things like " but that's not illegal!".

In showing this behavior and those feelings for Trayvon when he sets off after him, it's clear that he got out of his car for a reason. And that reason was to stop that fucking punk from getting away.