Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[TerryMathews]

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I am saying that Zimmermans lies and the physical evidence has cast reasonable doubt in my mind thats hes not telling the truth.

Leatherman says that's the standard the jurors will use as well:

Quote: The defendant, George Zimmerman, is presumed innocent and remains innocent unless the jury unanimously finds him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Exactly. Read what you wrote. Guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. That means if the jury has reasonable doubt, he is not guilty.

 

[xj0hnx]

You have never been severely beaten if you think that was a severe beating.

One does not have to take a severe beating to defend one's self, the mere threat of assault is enough. There is no threshold of attack one must endure before defending, no one has the right to hurt anyone.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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I am saying that Zimmermans lies and the physical evidence has cast reasonable doubt in my mind thats hes not telling the truth.

Leatherman says that's the standard the jurors will use as well:

Quote: The defendant, George Zimmerman, is presumed innocent and remains innocent unless the jury unanimously finds him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

OMFG... Tasha, girl... Please read up on "reasonable doubt" and which 'side' it is for.

 

[spidey07]

OMFG... Tasha, girl... Please read up on "reasonable doubt" and which 'side' it is for.

It's been the team skittles belief that zimmerman must prove his innocence beyond reasonable doubt even after being shown time and time again that is clearly not the case.

Fucking disgusting lynch mob. Shows who the real racists are for their lynching.

 

[lotus503]

I think Zimmerman is frankly the star prosecution witness.

Mr. Zimmerman you contend mr Martin punched you in the nose at the T and you fell to the ground.

Please tell us how martins body was 30 feet from the T.

If he doesn't testify, they will explain it for him. If the jury believes beyond a reasonable doubt that the only way he is 30+ feet south is if Zimmerman went 30 feet south on his own after being punched, he's toast.

 

[spidey07]

I think Zimmerman is frankly the star prosecution witness.

Mr. Zimmerman you contend mr Martin punched you in the nose at the T and you fell to the ground.

Please tell us how martins body was 30 feet from the T.

If he doesn't testify, they will explain it for him. If the jury believes beyond a reasonable doubt that the only way he is 30+ feet south is if Zimmerman went 30 feet south on his own after being punched, he's toast.

No so at all.

You see, on back after being beaten, restrained/mounted and unable to retreat, giving clear indication to withdraw (screams of help) = OK to shoot.

This has all been explained 100s of times. Your "what if" has been blown out of the water by the rule of law, fact and blinding brilliant white truth.

 

[lotus503]

It's been the team skittles belief that zimmerman must prove his innocence beyond reasonable doubt even after being shown time and time again that is clearly not the case.

Fucking disgusting lynch mob. Shows who the real racists are for their lynching.

You are the biggest racists piece of shit on the forums, your drunken escapade last night says it all.

 

[lotus503]

No so at all.

You see, on back after being beaten, restrained/mounted and unable to retreat, giving clear indication to withdraw (screams of help) = OK to shoot.

This has all been explained 100s of times. Your "what if" has been blown out of the water by the rule of law, fact and blinding brilliant white truth.

Your opinion carries zero weight, your a racist sociopath.

If he went after him after he was punched and they can prove it he's done.

If he is convicted your unraveling is going to be a sight.

 

[spidey07]

Your opinion carries zero weight, your a racist sociopath.

If he went after him after he was punched and they can prove it he's done.

If he is convicted your unraveling is going to be a sight.

Even if initial agressor, zimmerman can shoot in self defense when mounted, restrained, unable to retreat or disengage and making clear verbal commands to do so.

That is a fact, that is the law in most states. One is not required to take their beating by a ruthless thug. You side with the criminal, not the innocent.

This is NOT my opinion, this is the law.

 

[lotus503]

Even if initial agressor, zimmerman can shoot in self defense when mounted, restrained, unable to retreat or disengage and making clear verbal commands to do so.

That is a fact, that is the law in most states. One is not required to take their beating by a ruthless thug. You side with the criminal, not the innocent.

If they can prove he had an opportunity to sit tight after getting socked in the nose yet chose to go after Martin south.

The jury will convict him.

Back to your regularly scheduled drunken racist rants.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

If they can prove he had an opportunity to sit tight after getting socked in the nose yet chose to go after Martin south.

The jury will convict him.

Back to your regularly scheduled drunken racist rants.

Unless the jury is unlike this forum and others that are discussing this case I don't see a conviction.

 

[spidey07]

If they can prove he had an opportunity to sit tight after getting socked in the nose yet chose to go after Martin south.

The jury will convict him.

Back to your regularly scheduled drunken racist rants.

There is no evidence zimmerman committed a crime, and all the evidence supports self defense. If it even makes it to a trial, the jury MUST, by RULE OF LAW, reach not guilty.

Good luck with that when 50% believe he acted in self defense now that the evidence shows clear cut lawful self defense. Emotion has no place in the rule of law you racist lyncher.

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by six, and dead trey-trey's tell no tales.

so what happened slim?
*gurgle, gurgle, expire*

OK! good shoot!

 

[JKing106]

There is no evidence zimmerman committed a crime, and all the evidence supports self defense. If it even makes it to a trial, the jury MUST, by RULE OF LAW, reach not guilty.

Good luck with that when 50% believe he acted in self defense now that the evidence shows clear cut lawful self defense. Emotion has no place in the rule of law you racist lyncher.

C'mon, Spidey. Give us some more Dolemite jive talk. Here, I'll start. Go put on your hood, and let's have some fun:

"When I see a ghost, I cut the motherfucker."

 

[JKing106]

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by six, and dead trey-trey's tell no tales.

so what happened slim?
*gurgle, gurgle, expire*

OK! good shoot!

Yep, your boy made sure Martin was dead so he could tell no tales, didn't he? I wonder how many tales of the rectum resizings he's going to get in prison he'll tell? If he survives, or doesn't off himself first, that is.

 

[BUTCH1]

Unless of course they weren't even thinking of it in a context of Trayvon possibly stashing something (lots of evidence of this sort of lack of pursuing Trayvon-negative scenarios) or by the time the FDLE was brought in (which took a long while) any such evidence was gone.

Weeks go by and a little black and mild blunt behind some bushes or in grass, which was rained on at least once... in some shadowed corner of a long walkway, is found by FDLE... under the best case scenario where they actually care to look, and they're going to be able to declare it connected to the case how? It won't have fingerprints at that point from Trayvon... etc, even a screwdriver is going to be really hard for them to connect to the case in any way.

But the better retort I can give you is that Trayvon had more than enough time to go drop anything incriminating at the porch of Brandy Green's apartment.

The amount of time he disappeared for combined with what Deedee said about him being right by his father's house, combined with him paying 3 doofuses at 7-11 to buy him blunts, combined with 2 occasions when Brandy or his father referred to him being out on the porch before he was killed, all add up to a pretty convincing reason to think he dropped something off on that porch before going back northward to assault GZ.

Was it a blunt? a screwdriver? both? Additional items? Other stuff entirely? Robitussin obtained from Walmart during the extremely long gap of time between him leaving 7-11 and getting back to the gated community?

Who knows? These aren't unreasonable speculations given the 7-11 footage and his facebook posts, and what people said about him being on the porch though.

I personally doubt that he was intending to burglarize anyone during the same outing he went to 7-11 on.

However I think it is extremely likely that he burglarized homes in that community on previous occasions. Being caught with 12 pieces of real gold women's jewelry in his backpack at school, along with a bent screwdriver which the school security guard had no doubts as to the implications of... but which the Miami police could not match to any stolen jewelry reports, indicates to me that he was likely using Sanford as a burglary source, then selling the goods in Miami.

GZ did mention him looking at houses in a way that was suspicious.

Maybe Trayvon was taking his time getting home, and using it as an opportunity to see if he could spot any tempting looking houses to return to later that night, it was early yet after all and I don't think he'd want to be lugging around a big can of juice etc while climbing in a window.

LOL how do you "look" at a house suspiciously?, once again the FACTS, IT WAS RAINING THAT NIGHT..if your wearing a hooded sweatshirt chances are it's gonna be on, GZ sees him in a common area where the mailboxes are more than likely trying to stay dry, I live 35 miles from that area, was walking my dog that same time, rain squalls coming through. Now your actually speculating what he was thinking, wow, you must have unknown powers or just a racist, hating POS trying to hang your hat on ANYTHING to condemn this teen as someone who deserved to die anyway.

 

[lotus503]

Unless the jury is unlike this forum and others that are discussing this case I don't see a conviction.

I highly suspect the jury won't include folks like the thread posters, myself included.

 

[tashatexas]

If Martin was looking into a house Zimmerman would have had an address immediately like all of the other suspected burglars he reported. He gave the address to the clubhouse because that's where he saw Trayvon and video surveillance from the clubhouse as well as DeeDees testimony confirms it. Zimmerman never saw Tray looking at houses.

 

[tashatexas]

We also know for sure Tray wasn't looking at houses because he only had treats on him and had a small kid at home waiting on him, not a slew of gangbangers waiting for him to come home so they could split the loot. Zimmerman's only problem with Tray was he's a black youth who looked like he didn't belong there and was automatically assumed to be a criminal. He did nothing to appear to be a criminal, ffs he was wearing a pic of his grandmother on his hoodie.

 

[spidey07]

I highly suspect the jury won't include folks like the thread posters, myself included.

Only takes one. Your points have been thoroughly destroyed by fact, truth, evidence, and rule of law.

 

[tashatexas]

I don't understand how someone not on drugs and a youth who wouldn't have been a lifelong drug user and therefore showing signs of mental impairment even when he was sober could look like he was on drugs. Zimmerman totally stereotyped Martin and falsified his report to police before they even came. Of course he did the same thing afterwards.

 

[tashatexas]

Only takes one. Your points have been thoroughly destroyed by fact, truth, evidence, and rule of law.

By whom? Not your drunken idiotic ass that's for sure.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

We also know for sure Tray wasn't looking at houses because he only had treats on him and had a small kid at home waiting on him, not a slew of gangbangers waiting for him to come home so they could split the loot. Zimmerman's only problem with Tray was he's a black youth who looked like he didn't belong there and was automatically assumed to be a criminal. He did nothing to appear to be a criminal, ffs he was wearing a pic of his grandmother on his hoodie.

Didn't it take 48 hours for trayvon's father to report him missing? Didn't the father's entire 'story' about the football game and all that completely fall apart??

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[lotus503]

Only takes one. Your points have been thoroughly destroyed by fact, truth, evidence, and rule of law.

You should let MOM know the case is over and Zimmerman can just go home now, because you went over everything and say so.

The state and judge disagree with you, as does any rational human being.

You have been destroyed and proven to be an irrational racist with a likely drinking problem.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I don't understand how someone not on drugs and a youth who wouldn't have been a lifelong drug user and therefore showing signs of mental impairment even when he was sober could look like he was on drugs. Zimmerman totally stereotyped Martin and falsified his report to police before they even came. Of course he did the same thing afterwards.

Everything Zimmerman saw about trayvon rang true.. He likely was on drugs, being at least a small time dealer with his friends looking for "plant". He was caught with burglary equipment and valuable stolen jewelry... And, still no more robberies in that small community.

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[tashatexas]

Why would Trayvon go and check Zimmerman out if he was up to no good? What seasoned criminal wants to be identified before they commit a crime? If Trayvon did get close enough to Zimmerman so as to be identified that should have been a sign that Martin was not up to anything criminal, not a sign that Martin was up to something criminal.