Ultimate fighter vs. Navy Seal- who wins?

[Lash444]

After this thread I am going to have a hard time taking anyone's opinions seriously here. The guys in the MMA train their entire lives doing hand to hand combat. Have you watched the videos that Bas Rutten puts out there? You think that just because they don't do illegal moves in the ring, that they dont know that hitting someone in the throat, or pushing someone's nose into their head is going to kill them?

Hell, I have never taken a single martial arts class, but I know that hitting someone in the arm-pit, throat, neck, or groin are all vital nerve areas. You think someone who spends their entire lives training for hand-to-hand combat doesn't know just about all the spots to kill a man? I know, you guys all believe that the seal is going to walk into a hand-to-hand fight and he disables his opponent with one of his special forces moves within 10 seconds. Well, when he doesn't and the fight goes into grappling, your stupid Navy Seal is going to get his neck broken.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Lash444
After this thread I am going to have a hard time taking anyone's opinions seriously here. The guys in the MMA train their entire lives doing hand to hand combat. Have you watched the videos that Bas Rutten puts out there? You think that just because they don't do illegal moves in the ring, that they dont know that hitting someone in the throat, or pushing someone's nose into their head is going to kill them?

Hell, I have never taken a single martial arts class, but I know that hitting someone in the arm-pit, throat, neck, or groin are all vital nerve areas. You think someone who spends their entire lives training for hand-to-hand combat doesn't know just about all the spots to kill a man? I know, you guys all believe that the seal is going to walk into a hand-to-hand fight and he disables his opponent with one of his special forces moves within 10 seconds. Well, when he doesn't and the fight goes into grappling, your stupid Navy Seal is going to get his neck broken.

Lots of venom over a hypothetical question.
Is your boyfriend an mma fighter?

 

[Lash444]

You caught me Captain 24k. Oldsmoboat's law once again holding true.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: RallyMaster

Originally posted by: AVAFREAK182

Originally posted by: Raduque
Isn't UFC a tv show like wwe?

My money's on the US Navy elite.

No.

People actually bleed in UFC and bones actually get broken.

UFC FTW.

LOLOL...yeah, that never happens in SEAL training or exercises or, GOD FORBID, combat. :roll:

you're retarded right? He's referring to the comparison to WWE

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: Lash444
After this thread I am going to have a hard time taking anyone's opinions seriously here. The guys in the MMA train their entire lives doing hand to hand combat. Have you watched the videos that Bas Rutten puts out there? You think that just because they don't do illegal moves in the ring, that they dont know that hitting someone in the throat, or pushing someone's nose into their head is going to kill them?

Hell, I have never taken a single martial arts class, but I know that hitting someone in the arm-pit, throat, neck, or groin are all vital nerve areas. You think someone who spends their entire lives training for hand-to-hand combat doesn't know just about all the spots to kill a man? I know, you guys all believe that the seal is going to walk into a hand-to-hand fight and he disables his opponent with one of his special forces moves within 10 seconds. Well, when he doesn't and the fight goes into grappling, your stupid Navy Seal is going to get his neck broken.

Why do so many people in this thread think Navy Seals or any specially trained military unit can't cut it in a fight? You don't think some Seals spend their entire lives training or improving their fighting ability. I'm not saying that a MMA fighter is not a formidable opponent but its a different kind of training to win a match vs staying alive in a foreign and hostile part of an overseas country.

 

[Lash444]

Why do so many people in this thread think Navy Seals or any specially trained military unit can't cut it in a fight? You don't think some Seals spend their entire lives training or improving their fighting ability. I'm not saying that a MMA fighter is not a formidable opponent but its a different kind of training to win a match vs staying alive in a foreign and hostile part of an overseas country.

That is the whole point. It is different training. Name one other circumstance where you would say that someone who gets "X" amount of training, would beat someone who spends their entire lives practicing that one thing. You wouldn't. If you go off to learn jiu jitsu (sp) from a master, you are going to be trained to break his arm. It is when you are in a caged event you have to use your brain to hold off from doing so. If you are being trained to do any kind of martial art, they show you the best ways to disable someone. Correct? Well in the MMA they train across the board so they can beat any style, and they do it day in and day out.

What makes you think that someone who gets partially trained in the ways of hand-to-hand are going to beat someone who puts all of their focus into that one skill?

 

[benzylic]

Did anyone watch TOP army fighter on the military channel a couple weeks ago?

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: Lash444

Why do so many people in this thread think Navy Seals or any specially trained military unit can't cut it in a fight? You don't think some Seals spend their entire lives training or improving their fighting ability. I'm not saying that a MMA fighter is not a formidable opponent but its a different kind of training to win a match vs staying alive in a foreign and hostile part of an overseas country.

That is the whole point. It is different training. Name one other circumstance where you would say that someone who gets "X" amount of training, would beat someone who spends their entire lives practicing that one thing. You wouldn't. If you go off to learn jiu jitsu (sp) from a master, you are going to be trained to break his arm. It is when you are in a caged event you have to use your brain to hold off from doing so. If you are being trained to do any kind of martial art, they show you the best ways to disable someone. Correct? Well in the MMA they train across the board so they can beat any style, and they do it day in and day out.

What makes you think that someone who gets partially trained in the ways of hand-to-hand are going to beat someone who puts all of their focus into that one skill?

I could be wrong but I thought Seals trained constantly, when you are sent on missions where your life is on the line chances are training is an everyday thing. Also keep in mind fighting is more than just physical training, there's also a psychological factor. I would think in a fight to the death a trained MMA fighter would be more than just a little nervous about going up against a battle hardened Seal.

 

[Lash444]

I could be wrong but I thought Seals trained constantly, when you are sent on missions where your life is on the line chances are training is an everyday thing. Also keep in mind fighting is more than just physical training, there's also a psychological factor. I would think in a fight to the death a trained MMA fighter would be more than just a little nervous about going up against a battle hardened Seal.

The only psychological aspect to the fight that is on their side is the killing part. Because I think if a navy seal was dropped into the ring (with MMA rules) they would get crushed every single time by an MMA fighter. So what would the Seal have that he is more experienced at than an MMA fighter in a street fight? And don't say killing blows, because we have already gone through this.

The "nervousness" wouldn't be because hes a Navy Seal, it would be because he knows that this is a "There will be only one" type moment. In the aspect of killing experience, yes, a navy seal probably is more comfortable in that situation. But how long would it take you to start pulling eye gouges, and groin kicks in a match when you knew it was your life on the line?

 

[DaedalCipher]

Not that I want to open up a can of worms, but I would also argue that the average Navy Seal has a considerably higher IQ than an MMA fighter. In terms of just how much this plays into a fight where physical training, muscle memory, and a fairly narrow skill set is dominant, I don't know. But, you'd think it would count for something.

 

[Lash444]

Originally posted by: DaedalCipher
Not that I want to open up a can of worms, but I would also argue that the average Navy Seal has a considerably higher IQ than an MMA fighter. In terms of just how much this plays into a fight where physical training, muscle memory, and a fairly narrow skill set is dominant, I don't know. But, you'd think it would count for something.

Well, how many hand-to-hand combat fights do you see being dominated by high IQ fighters? A smart man goes for his gun. Not much intelligence is going to do for you in a fight where both sides are heavily trained. If something is exploitable, both sides are probably well versed already.

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

I have a number of friends who are Navy SEALS and as much as I respect the military and the training that our elite forces get there is no way any of them could take on GSP in hand to hand combat, it would literally be over in the first round. Throw in weapons and of course it's another story.
-AE

 

[Special K]

I'd have to go with the MMA Fighter. The MMA fighter trains hand to hand combat exclusively, while hand to hand combat likely comprises only a fraction of the SEALs training. They also spend a lot of time training with firearms, demolitions equipment, vehicles, swimming and underwater tactics, all of which would be useless in a street fight.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
I have a number of friends who are Navy SEALS and as much as I respect the military and the training that our elite forces get there is no way any of them could take on GSP in hand to hand combat, it would literally be over in the first round. Throw in weapons and of course it's another story.
-AE

You know several SEALs? Are you in the Navy?

 

[randay]

it all depends on the person. being a mma fighter and being a navy seal really does not determine anything.

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: CasioTech
http://joatmoaf.typepad.com/i_...mages/USANavySeals.jpg

yeah those guys look REAL tough :roll:

looking tough has nothing to do with it. you have no idea what youre saying

anyways, if they dont look tough, they sure as hell look sexy! woo hooooo

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
I have a number of friends who are Navy SEALS and as much as I respect the military and the training that our elite forces get there is no way any of them could take on GSP in hand to hand combat, it would literally be over in the first round. Throw in weapons and of course it's another story.
-AE

You know several SEALs? Are you in the Navy?

No, but I'm in San Diego ;-)
-AE

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: Lash444
After this thread I am going to have a hard time taking anyone's opinions seriously here. The guys in the MMA train their entire lives doing hand to hand combat. Have you watched the videos that Bas Rutten puts out there? You think that just because they don't do illegal moves in the ring, that they dont know that hitting someone in the throat, or pushing someone's nose into their head is going to kill them?

Hell, I have never taken a single martial arts class, but I know that hitting someone in the arm-pit, throat, neck, or groin are all vital nerve areas. You think someone who spends their entire lives training for hand-to-hand combat doesn't know just about all the spots to kill a man? I know, you guys all believe that the seal is going to walk into a hand-to-hand fight and he disables his opponent with one of his special forces moves within 10 seconds. Well, when he doesn't and the fight goes into grappling, your stupid Navy Seal is going to get his neck broken.

as far as i know, mma has not been around "forever" so someone cant train their entire life for something that hasnt existed THAT long anyways....



have none of you ever had a relative who is a navy SEAL??? well i do and he would straight up KILL A BITCH if in a street fighting situation.
sure, MMA fighters are tough and they have skillz but an elite SEAL would WRECK an MMA fighter. no questions asked

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: Lash444
After this thread I am going to have a hard time taking anyone's opinions seriously here. The guys in the MMA train their entire lives doing hand to hand combat. Have you watched the videos that Bas Rutten puts out there? You think that just because they don't do illegal moves in the ring, that they dont know that hitting someone in the throat, or pushing someone's nose into their head is going to kill them?

Hell, I have never taken a single martial arts class, but I know that hitting someone in the arm-pit, throat, neck, or groin are all vital nerve areas. You think someone who spends their entire lives training for hand-to-hand combat doesn't know just about all the spots to kill a man? I know, you guys all believe that the seal is going to walk into a hand-to-hand fight and he disables his opponent with one of his special forces moves within 10 seconds. Well, when he doesn't and the fight goes into grappling, your stupid Navy Seal is going to get his neck broken.

as far as i know, mma has not been around "forever" so someone cant train their entire life for something that hasnt existed THAT long anyways....



have none of you ever had a relative who is a navy SEAL??? well i do and he would straight up KILL A BITCH if in a street fighting situation.
sure, MMA fighters are tough and they have skillz but an elite SEAL would WRECK an MMA fighter. no questions asked

You make it sound like they are common or something.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: Lash444
After this thread I am going to have a hard time taking anyone's opinions seriously here. The guys in the MMA train their entire lives doing hand to hand combat. Have you watched the videos that Bas Rutten puts out there? You think that just because they don't do illegal moves in the ring, that they dont know that hitting someone in the throat, or pushing someone's nose into their head is going to kill them?

Hell, I have never taken a single martial arts class, but I know that hitting someone in the arm-pit, throat, neck, or groin are all vital nerve areas. You think someone who spends their entire lives training for hand-to-hand combat doesn't know just about all the spots to kill a man? I know, you guys all believe that the seal is going to walk into a hand-to-hand fight and he disables his opponent with one of his special forces moves within 10 seconds. Well, when he doesn't and the fight goes into grappling, your stupid Navy Seal is going to get his neck broken.

as far as i know, mma has not been around "forever" so someone cant train their entire life for something that hasnt existed THAT long anyways....



have none of you ever had a relative who is a navy SEAL??? well i do and he would straight up KILL A BITCH if in a street fighting situation.
sure, MMA fighters are tough and they have skillz but an elite SEAL would WRECK an MMA fighter. no questions asked

are you insane? just because MMA has not been around forever does not mean people do not trian in jujutsu or other stuff there whole lives.

not all MMA fighters are great just as not all Seals are.

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
I have a number of friends who are Navy SEALS and as much as I respect the military and the training that our elite forces get there is no way any of them could take on GSP in hand to hand combat, it would literally be over in the first round. Throw in weapons and of course it's another story.
-AE

yea and how old are you? how LONG have they been SEALs?
these things completely factor in. ELITE SEALs are going to be wayyyy more kill-capable than a guy fresh out of the gate and little fighting experience

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: Lash444
After this thread I am going to have a hard time taking anyone's opinions seriously here. The guys in the MMA train their entire lives doing hand to hand combat. Have you watched the videos that Bas Rutten puts out there? You think that just because they don't do illegal moves in the ring, that they dont know that hitting someone in the throat, or pushing someone's nose into their head is going to kill them?

Hell, I have never taken a single martial arts class, but I know that hitting someone in the arm-pit, throat, neck, or groin are all vital nerve areas. You think someone who spends their entire lives training for hand-to-hand combat doesn't know just about all the spots to kill a man? I know, you guys all believe that the seal is going to walk into a hand-to-hand fight and he disables his opponent with one of his special forces moves within 10 seconds. Well, when he doesn't and the fight goes into grappling, your stupid Navy Seal is going to get his neck broken.

as far as i know, mma has not been around "forever" so someone cant train their entire life for something that hasnt existed THAT long anyways....



have none of you ever had a relative who is a navy SEAL??? well i do and he would straight up KILL A BITCH if in a street fighting situation.
sure, MMA fighters are tough and they have skillz but an elite SEAL would WRECK an MMA fighter. no questions asked

You make it sound like they are common or something.

lol well i have a lot of uncles and 4 out of 6 six of them are or have been active in the military. Navy, Marines, and Army. so i guess its not uncommon in my family

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: Lash444
After this thread I am going to have a hard time taking anyone's opinions seriously here. The guys in the MMA train their entire lives doing hand to hand combat. Have you watched the videos that Bas Rutten puts out there? You think that just because they don't do illegal moves in the ring, that they dont know that hitting someone in the throat, or pushing someone's nose into their head is going to kill them?

Hell, I have never taken a single martial arts class, but I know that hitting someone in the arm-pit, throat, neck, or groin are all vital nerve areas. You think someone who spends their entire lives training for hand-to-hand combat doesn't know just about all the spots to kill a man? I know, you guys all believe that the seal is going to walk into a hand-to-hand fight and he disables his opponent with one of his special forces moves within 10 seconds. Well, when he doesn't and the fight goes into grappling, your stupid Navy Seal is going to get his neck broken.

as far as i know, mma has not been around "forever" so someone cant train their entire life for something that hasnt existed THAT long anyways....



have none of you ever had a relative who is a navy SEAL??? well i do and he would straight up KILL A BITCH if in a street fighting situation.
sure, MMA fighters are tough and they have skillz but an elite SEAL would WRECK an MMA fighter. no questions asked

are you insane? just because MMA has not been around forever does not mean people do not trian in jujutsu or other stuff there whole lives.

not all MMA fighters are great just as not all Seals are.

im just saying on a whole, how many people who have actually been training in a special martial art for their entire life are actually fighting in the MMA sport today? if you compare the number of MMA fighters to those who have been training in a particular or a number of arts for 10 or more years, that percentage isnt THAT high. tis all im saying

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: Lash444
After this thread I am going to have a hard time taking anyone's opinions seriously here. The guys in the MMA train their entire lives doing hand to hand combat. Have you watched the videos that Bas Rutten puts out there? You think that just because they don't do illegal moves in the ring, that they dont know that hitting someone in the throat, or pushing someone's nose into their head is going to kill them?

Hell, I have never taken a single martial arts class, but I know that hitting someone in the arm-pit, throat, neck, or groin are all vital nerve areas. You think someone who spends their entire lives training for hand-to-hand combat doesn't know just about all the spots to kill a man? I know, you guys all believe that the seal is going to walk into a hand-to-hand fight and he disables his opponent with one of his special forces moves within 10 seconds. Well, when he doesn't and the fight goes into grappling, your stupid Navy Seal is going to get his neck broken.

as far as i know, mma has not been around "forever" so someone cant train their entire life for something that hasnt existed THAT long anyways....



have none of you ever had a relative who is a navy SEAL??? well i do and he would straight up KILL A BITCH if in a street fighting situation.
sure, MMA fighters are tough and they have skillz but an elite SEAL would WRECK an MMA fighter. no questions asked

You make it sound like they are common or something.

lol well i have a lot of uncles and 4 out of 6 six of them are or have been active in the military. Navy, Marines, and Army. so i guess its not uncommon in my family

But how many of them are SEALs? I'm not saying active-duty military are uncommon, but SEALs are quite rare.

 

[Lash444]

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: Lash444
After this thread I am going to have a hard time taking anyone's opinions seriously here. The guys in the MMA train their entire lives doing hand to hand combat. Have you watched the videos that Bas Rutten puts out there? You think that just because they don't do illegal moves in the ring, that they dont know that hitting someone in the throat, or pushing someone's nose into their head is going to kill them?

Hell, I have never taken a single martial arts class, but I know that hitting someone in the arm-pit, throat, neck, or groin are all vital nerve areas. You think someone who spends their entire lives training for hand-to-hand combat doesn't know just about all the spots to kill a man? I know, you guys all believe that the seal is going to walk into a hand-to-hand fight and he disables his opponent with one of his special forces moves within 10 seconds. Well, when he doesn't and the fight goes into grappling, your stupid Navy Seal is going to get his neck broken.

as far as i know, mma has not been around "forever" so someone cant train their entire life for something that hasnt existed THAT long anyways....



have none of you ever had a relative who is a navy SEAL??? well i do and he would straight up KILL A BITCH if in a street fighting situation.
sure, MMA fighters are tough and they have skillz but an elite SEAL would WRECK an MMA fighter. no questions asked

are you insane? just because MMA has not been around forever does not mean people do not trian in jujutsu or other stuff there whole lives.

not all MMA fighters are great just as not all Seals are.

im just saying on a whole, how many people who have actually been training in a special martial art for their entire life are actually fighting in the MMA sport today? if you compare the number of MMA fighters to those who have been training in a particular or a number of arts for 10 or more years, that percentage isnt THAT high. tis all im saying

I am having a difficult time understanding what it is you were just saying there, but MMA is a continually evolving fighting style. Id assume that just about all of the fighters who are worth a lick of salt are fighters who began fighting in their early teens training in one art form until they maxed it out and then branched off.

Regardless, I dont see how this relates. Are you saying that a Navy Seal gets more training in hand to hand in his limited Seals training than an MMA fighter who makes it his profession? If he doesnt, are you saying that they teach things in the Navy Seals for hand to hand combat that they wouldnt in the MMA?