Ultimate fighter vs. Navy Seal- who wins?

[alkemyst]

This thread is nonsense...no fight can be decided until it's fought.

I like how people here think a SEAL is suddenly chuck norris because of a few weeks of training. SEALs get better with time but a pro-fighter does to and does it EVERYDAY usually.

Many pro-fighters would have no problem killing someone, some probably have already done so.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
This thread is nonsense...no fight can be decided until it's fought.

I like how people here think a SEAL is suddenly chuck norris because of a few weeks of training. SEALs get better with time but a pro-fighter does to and does it EVERYDAY usually.

Many pro-fighters would have no problem killing someone, some probably have already done so.

Yeh, I think some people tend to glamourize special forces soldiers and think that they are the ultimate dealers of death and bodily destruction. It's certainly a part of their training, but it's not like they train for hand to hand combat 40 hours a week with other guys that are training for the same thing.

Just because an MMA guy has to operate within rules doesn't mean he doesn't know how to turn them off when he's out of the ring.

 

[DaedalCipher]

here's the poll that i just saw how to set up. now, someone tell that smarmy bastard to quit his bitching and let's get on with this

 

[DaedalCipher]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: alkemyst
This thread is nonsense...no fight can be decided until it's fought.

I like how people here think a SEAL is suddenly chuck norris because of a few weeks of training. SEALs get better with time but a pro-fighter does to and does it EVERYDAY usually.

Many pro-fighters would have no problem killing someone, some probably have already done so.

Yeh, I think some people tend to glamourize special forces soldiers and think that they are the ultimate dealers of death and bodily destruction. It's certainly a part of their training, but it's not like they train for hand to hand combat 40 hours a week with other guys that are training for the same thing.

Just because an MMA guy has to operate within rules doesn't mean he doesn't know how to turn them off when he's out of the ring.

I think people do glamorize the special forces because its cool to think about our elite soldiers being able to kill someone in a half second with their thumb. However, I think the half second it would take the MMA fighter to turn off that inhibition, that, frankly, has to be driven into their brains every time they have someone in a head lock or arm bar would be long enough for the Seal to disable them.

 

[ManSnake]

A Ultimate Frisbee player will kiss both of their asses.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: ManSnake
A Ultimate Frisbee player will kiss both of their asses.

So UFC means Ultimate Frisbee Championship?

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
This thread is nonsense...no fight can be decided until it's fought.

I like how people here think a SEAL is suddenly chuck norris because of a few weeks of training. SEALs get better with time but a pro-fighter does to and does it EVERYDAY usually.

it'd help if your dumbass got educated in these matters. Thirty months is not "a few weeks."

Originally posted by: vi editYeh, I think some people tend to glamourize special forces soldiers and think that they are the ultimate dealers of death and bodily destruction. It's certainly a part of their training, but it's not like they train for hand to hand combat 40 hours a week with other guys that are training for the same thing.

That's interesting, I didn't know you had experienced SEAL training.

 

[waggy]

there are one or two ex seals in UFC (and WWE for that matter) and they have done ok. I wouldnt say a seal has a better chance of winning. most of the MMA "elite" have been doing such stuff there whole lives. where seals have months or such of training (not saying seals are not great. they do kick ass!).


but it does not matter. they do toataly diffrent things.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: alkemyst
This thread is nonsense...no fight can be decided until it's fought.

I like how people here think a SEAL is suddenly chuck norris because of a few weeks of training. SEALs get better with time but a pro-fighter does to and does it EVERYDAY usually.

Many pro-fighters would have no problem killing someone, some probably have already done so.

Yeh, I think some people tend to glamourize special forces soldiers and think that they are the ultimate dealers of death and bodily destruction. It's certainly a part of their training, but it's not like they train for hand to hand combat 40 hours a week with other guys that are training for the same thing.

Just because an MMA guy has to operate within rules doesn't mean he doesn't know how to turn them off when he's out of the ring.

In all honesty, each fight is going to be completely separate from the next, with likely no real pattern. Each SEAL is different, as is each MMA fighter.
But do you honestly think this whole daily training to fight thing actually matters? They are training to fight someone and keep them alive at the same time. Sure, when their adrenaline is pumping and know they have to either kill or not walk away, they will fight differently, but in a fight to the death, you aren't constantly throwing punches to the face. Fighting to kill is not like a fight between two big bad bullies... you aren't squaring up.

Special forces units are trained to fight non-conventionally. And as they fight, they are playing huge mental games with their opponent. As long as they can evade, they truly have the upper hand. That's why each fight would be different, because whether the SEAL can evade and maintain the upper hand over the MMA guy's mind, is going to determine if the SEAL would win.

All the SEAL has to do is get his arms on the guy and it's probably over.

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[waggy]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: alkemyst
This thread is nonsense...no fight can be decided until it's fought.

I like how people here think a SEAL is suddenly chuck norris because of a few weeks of training. SEALs get better with time but a pro-fighter does to and does it EVERYDAY usually.

Many pro-fighters would have no problem killing someone, some probably have already done so.

Yeh, I think some people tend to glamourize special forces soldiers and think that they are the ultimate dealers of death and bodily destruction. It's certainly a part of their training, but it's not like they train for hand to hand combat 40 hours a week with other guys that are training for the same thing.

Just because an MMA guy has to operate within rules doesn't mean he doesn't know how to turn them off when he's out of the ring.

In all honesty, each fight is going to be completely separate from the next, with likely no real pattern. Each SEAL is different, as is each MMA fighter.
But do you honestly think this whole daily training to fight thing actually matters? They are training to fight someone and keep them alive at the same time. Sure, when their adrenaline is pumping and know they have to either kill or not walk away, they will fight differently, but in a fight to the death, you aren't constantly throwing punches to the face. Fighting to kill is not like a fight between two big bad bullies... you aren't squaring up.

Special forces units are trained to fight non-conventionally. And as they fight, they are playing huge mental games with their opponent. As long as they can evade, they truly have the upper hand. That's why each fight would be different, because whether the SEAL can evade and maintain the upper hand over the MMA guy's mind, is going to determine if the SEAL would win.

All the SEAL has to do is get his arms on the guy and it's probably over.

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are you kidding?

many seals have months of training. most MMA guys have a liftime training in the sport.

most are either black belts in brazilian jujutsu,wrestling or other martial arts. where it takes years to get to the level they are. they don't go to a school where you pay $200 and you get a damn blackbelt. they actually earn it.

and if you think they are easy to sych out you are mistaken. they are pros in what they do.

I'm not knocking the seals. they are great in what they are trained for. But they are not experts at such fights.

 

[GeneValgene]

man...i'd go with the seal. heck, even someone in the israeli military who knows krav maga.

true, mma people are awesome fighters, but the fights are heavily regulated, and there are a bunch of rules. in a real life or death fight, someone in the miliatry would have no problem going for the groin or eyes or anything else

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: alkemyst
This thread is nonsense...no fight can be decided until it's fought.

I like how people here think a SEAL is suddenly chuck norris because of a few weeks of training. SEALs get better with time but a pro-fighter does to and does it EVERYDAY usually.

Many pro-fighters would have no problem killing someone, some probably have already done so.

Yeh, I think some people tend to glamourize special forces soldiers and think that they are the ultimate dealers of death and bodily destruction. It's certainly a part of their training, but it's not like they train for hand to hand combat 40 hours a week with other guys that are training for the same thing.

Just because an MMA guy has to operate within rules doesn't mean he doesn't know how to turn them off when he's out of the ring.

In all honesty, each fight is going to be completely separate from the next, with likely no real pattern. Each SEAL is different, as is each MMA fighter.
But do you honestly think this whole daily training to fight thing actually matters? They are training to fight someone and keep them alive at the same time. Sure, when their adrenaline is pumping and know they have to either kill or not walk away, they will fight differently, but in a fight to the death, you aren't constantly throwing punches to the face. Fighting to kill is not like a fight between two big bad bullies... you aren't squaring up.

Special forces units are trained to fight non-conventionally. And as they fight, they are playing huge mental games with their opponent. As long as they can evade, they truly have the upper hand. That's why each fight would be different, because whether the SEAL can evade and maintain the upper hand over the MMA guy's mind, is going to determine if the SEAL would win.

All the SEAL has to do is get his arms on the guy and it's probably over.

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are you kidding?

many seals have months of training. most MMA guys have a liftime training in the sport.

most are either black belts in brazilian jujutsu,wrestling or other martial arts. where it takes years to get to the level they are. they don't go to a school where you pay $200 and you get a damn blackbelt. they actually earn it.

and if you think they are easy to sych out you are mistaken. they are pros in what they do.

I'm not knocking the seals. they are great in what they are trained for. But they are not experts at such fights.

they are, however, experts at dealing death. Like I said, a fight to the death has nothing to do with a particular style of fight in regards to the SEAL... as long as he can evade/absorb pain (if he can't, he fails) and get his hands onto the fighter, it might be done right there.

I can't see martial arts being all that is necessary to take out a battle-hardened SEAL. You make it sound like it is. Not to mention, I can't see them being practical in a fight to the death. Maybe to harm/disorient...

in the end, the likely kill strike would be a swift snap of the neck. Everything else is just weakening the opponent.

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[QED]

Who would win between a UFC figher and a Navy Seal?

Doesn't matter... Kim Jong-il's bodyguards would beat them both...

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: alkemyst
This thread is nonsense...no fight can be decided until it's fought.

I like how people here think a SEAL is suddenly chuck norris because of a few weeks of training. SEALs get better with time but a pro-fighter does to and does it EVERYDAY usually.

it'd help if your dumbass got educated in these matters. Thirty months is not "a few weeks."

Originally posted by: vi editYeh, I think some people tend to glamourize special forces soldiers and think that they are the ultimate dealers of death and bodily destruction. It's certainly a part of their training, but it's not like they train for hand to hand combat 40 hours a week with other guys that are training for the same thing.

That's interesting, I didn't know you had experienced SEAL training.

How much is dedicated to hand to hand?

 

[Capt Caveman]

MMA fighter easily. Seals aren't trained as extensively in hand-to-hand combat as a MMA fighter nor do they practice this craft as extensively as a MMA fighter.

 

[RESmonkey]

Solid Snake w/ CQC.

/thread

 

[SlitheryDee]

I would think that the UFC guy's training wouldn't work so well against someone like a seal. I don't think SEALS train to make the other guy tap out...

 

[sygyzy]

Besides what we see in the movies and such, how many Seals actually see action on a regular basis? People make it seem like there are missions on enemy soil everyday. Guys like Charlie Sheen running behind guards and slitting throats. I would think a city SWAT team sees more calls than the SEALS. That's just my guess. Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[LordMorpheus]

Put a seal in a UFC ring and he will probably get his ass kicked, his training will be no match for the UFC fighter that trains full time in this circumstance.

Take away the rules and the pads and I'd put money on the seal, if he's fighting to kill from square one he'll start attempting killing attacks immediately, the UFC fighter will have no experience delivering or defending these attacks.

 

[BW86]

I have my money on the MMA fighter.

 

[Mikey]

MMA fighter. There's no way a navy seal can win. A navy seal isn't the most specialized person for hand to hand combat. They're just good at everything in general, but not the best any anything except special operations.

 

[Mikey]

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus
Put a seal in a UFC ring and he will probably get his ass kicked, his training will be no match for the UFC fighter that trains full time in this circumstance.

Take away the rules and the pads and I'd put money on the seal, if he's fighting to kill from square one he'll start attempting killing attacks immediately, the UFC fighter will have no experience delivering or defending these attacks.

I hardly think a navy seal has experience in delivering or defending against professional hand to hand combat fights in a real world environment either. It's always a knife or gun used in this case.

 

[George P Burdell]

Navy SEAL

 

[Playmaker]

Hmm, one guy trains to fight on a Spike TV show hosted by Joe fucking Rogan, the other guy trains to fight for his life in real situations ... how is this an actual question?

 

[foghorn67]

SEALS can fight underwater.