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[woolfe9998]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1176897346761719810

Add to your analogy that right before dad said clean your room, he physically took the ice cream and put it behind his back. Because that is what Trump did here.

 

[ewdotson]

If not, then why does it sound exactly like Trump talks, complete with "very bad people" and "very good people?" Looks a lot like a transcript. If it's notes, they're verbatim.

It's definitely notes rather than a transcript. The bit in my post in quotes is taken directly from the memo itself.

So far as it goes, do note that this was a 30 minute phone call. Even given that there was almost certainly at least one translator involved (Zelensky's English isn't that good), there's just not enough there to represent the entirety of the call.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

wat? who gives a shit about Trump's base? They are a tiny dickhole compared to the rest of the population. They are long unreachable by any standard of argument. The only proper move here is to enforce the standard of law.

It has absolutely nothing to do with any side. It's reclaiming constitutional law in this country, and holding these assholes accountable. there is only one right move here, and it's about the USA.

I don't disagree in the slightest... It's the sad state we live in.

But... The senate isn't going to impeach.

So you're left with an election come 2020. It's not about "voters" but rather who is energized to come out to vote. I hate to break it to you - but Trump has a pretty big base that can and will show up to vote. If you attempt to impeach him and piss off his base, you're running the risk of them showing up. You're also severely underestimating their numbers.

Even outside his base, you still have people that vote party ticket regardless of what name is on the list.

 

[ewdotson]

I agree it is not enough for Republicans to vote for impeachment. I am interested to see what else comes out though because before I thought the odds of successful conviction were zero and now it seems nonzero (if only slightly higher).

I did see an interesting note earlier today though. While it takes a 2/3 majority to convict in an impeachment trial, all of the procedural votes for setting up and running the trial would only require a simple majority. That's a *much* lower bar to clear. An honest trial (versus Mitch just calling for an immediate vote) would be interesting.

 

[woolfe9998]

As for the idea that everything Democrats do will somehow inflame Trump's base further into a frenzy of voting meh, I think it's bullshit. I wonder why you never hear Republicans warned to not do things because it might inflame the Democratic base?

Or the fact that impeachment proceedings may energize the dem base. The thing is, the GOP base is "fired up" all the time anyway. Any reasonable electoral model already assumes high turnout among republicans. It's the dem base that always needs firing up.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

His statements in effect said 'I'll give you military aid (paid for by American taxpayers) if you do me this personal favor. It definitely hurts America. As for the idea that everything Democrats do will somehow inflame Trump's base further into a frenzy of voting meh, I think it's bullshit. I wonder why you never hear Republicans warned to not do things because it might inflame the Democratic base?

This is the right move, win or lose. If Democrats don't stand up for the Constitution then apparently no one will. I know the one thing that would make the Democrats I know want to vote is impeachment.

Let me rephrase my quote of "Did his statements overall hurt America? No. " and replace it with "Does HIS VOTERS think that his statements overall hurt America?"

The way his voters see it he is trying to go after the evil corrupt democrats. Which is exactly how Trump is framing it.

 

[fskimospy]

Let me rephrase my quote of "Did his statements overall hurt America? No. " and replace it with "Does HIS VOTERS think that his statements overall hurt America?"

The way his voters see it he is trying to go after the evil corrupt democrats. Which is exactly how Trump is framing it.

Agreed on that one, sadly.

 

[woolfe9998]

It's definitely notes rather than a transcript. The bit in my post in quotes is taken directly from the memo itself.

So far as it goes, do note that this was a 30 minute phone call. Even given that there was almost certainly at least one translator involved (Zelensky's English isn't that good), there's just not enough there to represent the entirety of the call.

It's surprisingly incriminating to Trump though. If there were portions of the call not described in the notes, I'm curious if they're even worse for Trump than what was described because that would have to be pretty bad.

 

[fskimospy]

It's surprisingly incriminating to Trump though. If there were portions of the call not described in the notes, I'm curious if they're even worse for Trump than what was described because that would have to be pretty bad.

There definitely are as the call is described as lasting ~30 minutes and the notes are only 5 pages. What's a conversation, a minute per page, two max?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm sad to see you even entertaining the idea that there is anything there. Still haven't learned that every single thing coming out of the conservative camp is manufactured from whole cloth.

In fact the opposite. I haven't accepted Biden as being anything and most likely is innocent, but only a fool would believe that absolutely everything that arises will be tossed in the bin out of hand and I certainly hope not. If something with credibility comes along and I certainly am not saying it will, you suggest that it be burned before read?

If you think that the press or Congressional members will make sure that nothing is examined, well then that's a very Trumpian perspective.

If "whole cloth" is presented then it amounts to nothing IMO, but sensibilities and offense aren't excuses in any case.

 

[thilanliyan]

The way his voters see it he is trying to go after the evil corrupt democrats. Which is exactly how Trump is framing it.

Yeah but his voters are going to get out and vote for him anyway, regardless of any impeachment talk/Dem corruption talk. He's continually riling them up, so they won't forget to vote.

It's the Dems and undecided or fence sitters that need a prod.

 

[Indus]

I don't disagree in the slightest... It's the sad state we live in.

But... The senate isn't going to impeach.

So you're left with an election come 2020. It's not about "voters" but rather who is energized to come out to vote. I hate to break it to you - but Trump has a pretty big base that can and will show up to vote. If you attempt to impeach him and piss off his base, you're running the risk of them showing up. You're also severely underestimating their numbers.

Even outside his base, you still have people that vote party ticket regardless of what name is on the list.

So what the fuck is your only the top 1% itemize 5000 IQ brain thinking..

Dems should go home and cry?

 

[zinfamous]

I don't disagree in the slightest... It's the sad state we live in.

But... The senate isn't going to impeach.

So you're left with an election come 2020. It's not about "voters" but rather who is energized to come out to vote. I hate to break it to you - but Trump has a pretty big base that can and will show up to vote. If you attempt to impeach him and piss off his base, you're running the risk of them showing up. You're also severely underestimating their numbers.

Even outside his base, you still have people that vote party ticket regardless of what name is on the list.

It doesn't matter about the senate. Democrats and liberals are the vast majority of the voting base of this country--they simply are. They just don't vote as regularly as republicans do (two different demographics). You have the Democratic party going full into impeachment, you awaken the base that actually matters in terms of fixing this shit in 2020. There is nothing that is going to influence the Trump base to vote or not. They are fully bought-in.

Impeachment and constant, daily exposure of his vast improprieties and crimes will thoroughly energize the democratic base to wake the fuck up and vote. High voter turnout always favors democrats. Mitch knows this. Trump knows this. All of the GOP knows this. It doesn't matter a fucking dick what any republican thinks or worries about their feels being hurt over their criminal president having all laid bare. All that matters is that democratic voters see this party finally grow some balls and do the right thing. No democrat should give a dick about how any republican is going to respond to this. Republicans have no legitimate power when registered voters actually show up and (are allowed to) vote.

That's what gets people to vote. And when people vote, democrats win.

Trump does not have a big base. It's roughly 30-40% or less of the Republican vote--the total republican vote already being a minority of the USA registered voter base.

 

[woolfe9998]

There definitely are as the call is described as lasting ~30 minutes and the notes are only 5 pages. What's a conversation, a minute per page, two max?

Yet in those few minutes of conversation described, there is impeachable conduct. If this is the 10% that is least incriminating, I think we really need to hear from the whistle-blower.

 

[dank69]

There definitely are as the call is described as lasting ~30 minutes and the notes are only 5 pages. What's a conversation, a minute per page, two max?

I thought I read somewhere that the whistle blower report mentions that there were 8 such calls between the Trump admin and Ukraine.

 

[zinfamous]

There definitely are as the call is described as lasting ~30 minutes and the notes are only 5 pages. What's a conversation, a minute per page, two max?

probably 2 pages per minute. Rule of thumb with screenplay is 1 minute = 1 page. But dialogue is much thinner and you also have a lot of image work occupying that 1 minute screen time. but something like a play or yeah--phone conversation, it's probably closer to 1.5-2 minutes.

 

[dank69]

In fact the opposite. I haven't accepted Biden as being anything and most likely is innocent, but only a fool would believe that absolutely everything that arises will be tossed in the bin out of hand and I certainly hope not. If something with credibility comes along and I certainly am not saying it will, you suggest that it be burned before read?

If you think that the press or Congressional members will make sure that nothing is examined, well then that's a very Trumpian perspective.

If "whole cloth" is presented then it amounts to nothing IMO, but sensibilities and offense aren't excuses in any case.

People have already posted on this forum information showing how the idea that Biden did something wrong here is complete nonsense. The entire international community was working to get that prosecutor removed because he was stalling investigations into actual corruption. The GOP would have you believe that he was removed to cover up some corruption. Go ahead. Waste your time entertaining the GOP once again.

 

[dank69]

Yet in those few minutes of conversation described, there is impeachable conduct. If this is the 10% that is least incriminating, I think we really need to hear from the whistle-blower.

We needed to hear from the whistle-blower regardless.

 

[fskimospy]

Yet in those few minutes of conversation described, there is impeachable conduct. If this is the 10% that is least incriminating, I think we really need to hear from the whistle-blower.

Whoever thought this was a good idea for Trump should be fired.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

People have already posted on this forum information showing how the idea that Biden did something wrong here is complete nonsense. The entire international community was working to get that prosecutor removed because he was stalling investigations into actual corruption. The GOP would have you believe that he was removed to cover up some corruption. Go ahead. Waste your time entertaining the GOP once again.

Quote in exact words where I think Biden actually did something wrong. I don't believe the GOP and frankly the Dems either. I believe in their actions and so I side with the latter and you are going to have a hard time finding me supporting the Reps or Trump, but feel free to try. But unlike many people I understand that I have to deal with probabilities and not certainties. I think that it's extremely unlikely that anything of substance will be produced but I'd be willing to bet good old US currency that SOMEONE besides Fox is going to wonder and look. My bet is that nothing will be found and you guarantee that there won't.

What scientific principle exists for you to fortell the future, a perfect Oracle?

When the Reps speak that's water over a duck's back but I've lived too long a time to say "this will happen or I'll kill myself" and then do it.

YMMV

 

[SlowSpyder]

You radicals are foaming at the mouth over nothing, the transcript shows that nothing wrong was done. Some of you are pretty far gone, evangelicals.

 

[dank69]

Quote in exact words where I think Biden actually did something wrong. I don't believe the GOP and frankly the Dems either. I believe in their actions and so I side with the latter and you are going to have a hard time finding me supporting the Reps or Trump, but feel free to try. But unlike many people I understand that I have to deal with probabilities and not certainties. I think that it's extremely unlikely that anything of substance will be produced but I'd be willing to bet good old US currency that SOMEONE besides Fox is going to wonder and look. My bet is that nothing will be found and you guarantee that there won't.

What scientific principle exists for you to fortell the future, a perfect Oracle?

When the Reps speak that's water over a duck's back but I've lived too long a time to say "this will happen or I'll kill myself" and then do it.

YMMV

Quote in exact words where I said you said you think Biden actually did something wrong. I am saying I think it is laughable that you think a conspiracy theory started by Fox News requires an actual investigation.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

So what the fuck is your only the top 1% itemize 5000 IQ brain thinking..

Dems should go home and cry?

I never said only the top 1% itemize detective dipshit. I said the top 10% itemize - which if you want to get a hard-on for it being "10% itemize" vs "top 10% itemize" go rub one out for the amazing glory of correcting that technicality.

Nearly 90 Percent of Taxpayers Are Projected to Take the TCJA’s Expanded Standard Deduction

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act simplified tax filings via an expanded standard deduction, but currently, these individual tax changes are to expire after 2025.

taxfoundation.org

Regardless, your dead wrong and among the retards. Even the competent folks of the left here won't defend your idiotic posts.


And no - dems shouldn't cry - they should win the election in a landslide though. But thanks to incompetent morons like yourself, it's going to be a close call.

 

[Commodus]

Let me rephrase my quote of "Did his statements overall hurt America? No. " and replace it with "Does HIS VOTERS think that his statements overall hurt America?"

The way his voters see it he is trying to go after the evil corrupt democrats. Which is exactly how Trump is framing it.

The question is whether or not his base is large enough at this point to carry the election. I'm not sure that's the case. The kind of Trump drone who's completely unfazed by this corruption is probably already committed to voting in 2020. The problem in 2016 was more that the Democrats' supporters didn't come out to vote, because they assumed that someone as vile as Trump wasn't going to win. And those indecisive types who picked Trump because he promised more jobs... well, they're not going to vote for him again given that he failed to deliver.

 

[SMOGZINN]

You radicals are foaming at the mouth over nothing, the transcript shows that nothing wrong was done. Some of you are pretty far gone, evangelicals.

Ukraine President: We need aid.
Trump: I need a favor.

That is something wrong.