dainthomas
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dainthomas
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What damages Biden? The fake conspiracy theory Hannity spouted with no basis in reality that Dump tried compromising our national security over?
Okay I admit to being completely wrong on this one. I thought they were going to cover up all the insanely corrupt shit in their conversation and edit it out of the memo but they just left it in.
And remember this is still definitely edited. If this is what they WANTED people to see imagine how bad the rest is.
And remember this is still definitely edited. If this is what they WANTED people to see imagine how bad the rest is.
So we're all clear we now have the White House specifically producing documents that have the President of the United States requesting a foreign leader 'do him a favor' and work with his personal attorney and his AG to dig up dirt on his political rivals.
Okay Greenman and other 'wait for the facts', can we confirm we are full speed ahead on impeachment?
Okay Greenman and other 'wait for the facts', can we confirm we are full speed ahead on impeachment?
SMOGZINN
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The thing is it hardly matters, we have to investigate it anyway. That is how we determine the truth. The real problem here is the President calling any attempt at transparency in our government a witch hunt. It is only a witch hunt if they refuse to follow where the evidence leads. As long as the investigation follows the evidence it is doing what it should, uncovering the truth. No matter if you think Trump is innocent of guilty you have to admit that he creates the appearance of impropriety and that requires extra diligence. Trump is gas lighting us by calling any attempt at transparency in government a witch hunt. We can't know what is real corruption or not until we investigate. We can't simply take the word of the person being accused that it is not.
Hayabusa Rider
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I don't think so because you nor anyone else have demonstrated that Biden acted to defend his son for which there is no basis for blame. If it turns out that Biden acted improperly, then he bears the consequences however that does not excuse actual law breaking. Biden out? Well I'm going for Warren and nothing Biden could have done comes close to Trump in this matter. There is no "inevitable" as he could be exonerated.
In any case I am no partisan apologist and let the chips fall where they may.
Starbuck1975
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Biden is already dropping in the polls in Iowa, NH and South Carolina, and has to now devote news cycles to defend innuendo around his son’s dealings in the Ukraine. That sounds damaging to his campaign.
Hayabusa Rider
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Baseless dirt works for awhile. If it has legs then he should be damaged and Warren becomes the beneficiary. What then, "Pochahontas"?
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And that has jack and shit to do with this. That's purely due to Joe being out of the spotlight for 2-3 years and people now realizing "Holy shit, that guy really is old!" His gaffes, poor debate performance, and inability to really produce any meaningful policy is catching up.
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It's clear what Trump's strategy is with Biden, which is to make him the 2020 version of Hillary Clinton. The Democrats have no choice but to start an impeachment inquiry now, given the gross abuse of power. But the realist in me also sees how attention to this matter in particular could possibly poison Biden's candidacy.
Remember, Trump's line of attacks against Biden need not be representative of the facts as a whole; he just needs a kernel/smidgen of truth to work with. The GOP and Trump managed to take Hillary Clinton's proximity to crime, proximity to bad people, and proximity to just bad luck, and they were able to weave a tapestry of lies and spin that sunk her candidacy. Biden's in the same position, and the Trump team sees that: they want to use the proximity to something dark and create confusion in the minds of voters.
Trump didn't beat Hillary because he was necessarily more popular; in fact he was less so. But he was able to convince enough people that Hillary was even more evil than he was, and that kept people who would have supported Hillary away from the polls while Trump's energized voters showed up. That's the end game with Biden.
Remember, Trump's line of attacks against Biden need not be representative of the facts as a whole; he just needs a kernel/smidgen of truth to work with. The GOP and Trump managed to take Hillary Clinton's proximity to crime, proximity to bad people, and proximity to just bad luck, and they were able to weave a tapestry of lies and spin that sunk her candidacy. Biden's in the same position, and the Trump team sees that: they want to use the proximity to something dark and create confusion in the minds of voters.
Trump didn't beat Hillary because he was necessarily more popular; in fact he was less so. But he was able to convince enough people that Hillary was even more evil than he was, and that kept people who would have supported Hillary away from the polls while Trump's energized voters showed up. That's the end game with Biden.
dank69
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I am happy to see that you are happy that this smear campaign is working. I never had any doubt as to the makeup of your character.
SMOGZINN
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The trouble is I don't think Biden is going to get the nomination. I think he really hurt is chances in the second debate. His answer on reparations hurt him. He basically said that black people don't know how to raise their kids, then suggested that they play a record player. He could not have appeared more out of touch with the democratic voters if he tried.
Hayabusa Rider
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For my part I think that what happened with Biden will be looked into in a non-Benghazi way. If Joe happened to have done something that is improper then he ought to bear the consequences. Nevertheless, that is entirely separate from Trump's admission by his own words. If nothing is found then Biden will be fine as less dirt will stick and if this is all a sham by Trump it may help him.
MomentsofSanity
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Really makes you think. If this is what the administration thinks makes them look good... What in the fuck are they hiding?
Right - Biden isn't my first choice. But - Team Trump seem to think he is formidable enough and worth taking the chance to bully a foreign power to make up false accusations to con a gullible electorate.
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Hehe, Reps from the House are making comments about yesterday. I'm betting that today won't mention Trump's "favor".
HomerJS
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Biden was already losing ground over the rest of the field for the last few months.
What do you think Joe Biden did involving Ukraine that was problematic?
Also, I'm glad we have been able to conclusively answer this tweet. The answer is yes.
Transcript looks good. Trump exonerated yet again. You'd think Democrats would be tired of coming up with schemes that they know will come up empty.
This is a pathetic lie even by your standards.
The Ukrainian President asks Trump for defense aid and Trump responds with asking him for a favor - to work with his personal attorney and his AG to investigate his political opposition.
Impeachment time.
And remember, this is the least damning summary they thought they could release.
Indus
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What do you expect from him?
He keeps repeating Cyanide is good, Oxygen is bad everyday.
I know we joke that Slow is a Russian troll, but have we considered the possibility that we might have Senator Graham here in our midst?
Plus they are not going to go after Warren for something like this or , for example - the native American thing - They're going to paint her as a SOCIALIST!! SOCIALIST!! SOCIALIST!!
Most American oligarchs, Trump voters and soft independents will vote for a sociopath over a "socialist." Biden is his main focus
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