[TPU] Nvidia prepares "price cuts across it's entire lineup"

[Erenhardt]

You absolutely got it wrong.Consumers don't care about transistor count but they do care about performance

And node shrinks!

Everybody can see the difference.The problem is 7970 at launch was underwhelming and people comparing node shrinks should take a deep breath.

Why compare node shrinks? Why not compare die sizes?

It is stupid that's why.

 

[Cloudfire777]

I've never read their site, but I'm curious as to what makes a site reputable?

And to the bolded part...



We have come full circle! I am proud.

Let them try to twist the facts all they can.

Hardwarecanucks, HOCP etc test the GPUs with 6-7 games max. And with 2 different resolutions.
TechPowerUp which you listed up do 18+ games and do 4 different resolutions on all games.

Therefor TechPowerUp is much more accurate in terms of average difference between the GPUs.

:thumbsup:

 

[SiliconWars]

More like, Techpowerup is much more likely to have games where the drivers were immature. This is the problem when changing to a completely new architecture.

The 7970 is a better upgrade over the 580 than the 780 ever was over the GHz edition, on any metric you care to discuss.

Oh btw, the 7970 was still 20% faster on release at TPU at 1600p even with immature drivers -

Yup, that 8% comes from stupid resolutions like 1024x768. So not only was it a cherry pick, it was the pick of the cherry picks. :awe:

 

[Jaydip]

This is what all this discussion is about - http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35561386&postcount=43

I think I already said that 680 was an underwhelming upgrade over 580.

 

[Jaydip]

And node shrinks!

So what is your point?

 

[SiliconWars]

I think I already said that 680 was an underwhelming upgrade over 580.

The point I'm making is that the 7970 was a bigger upgrade over it's nearest competition than the 780 was over it's nearest competition.

Yet the 7970 left - imo justifiably - most people underwhelmed...but the 780, at an even higher price was held up as some kind of champion even though it was LESS of an upgrade?

That's the effect of having rose (or green) tinted glasses on, combined with the idea that it was a "bargain" due to Titan's crazy price. But the facts tell the whole story - it was less of an upgrade than the underwhelming 7970 was and cost even more.

 

[96Firebird]

Oh btw, the 7970 was still 20% faster on release at TPU at 1600p...

So I was right. That's all you had to say! :biggrin:

 

[Jaydip]

The point I'm making is that the 7970 was a bigger upgrade over it's nearest competition than the 780 was over it's nearest competition.

Yet the 7970 left - imo justifiably - most people underwhelmed...but the 780, at an even higher price was held up as some kind of champion even though it was LESS of an upgrade?

That's the effect of having rose (or green) tinted glasses on, combined with the idea that it was a "bargain" due to Titan's crazy price. But the facts tell the whole story - it was less of an upgrade than the underwhelming 7970 was and cost even more.

I think the issue is consumers have been spoiled in the past when a node shrink brought more than 30% performance.In that regard both the 7970/680 has been underwhelming.In the same process node 780 was a very good jump compared to 680(around ~30%).In the past we got 480->580 and 5870->6970 which were both ~15% faster.

 

[railven]

I think the issue is consumers have been spoiled in the past when a node shrink brought more than 30% performance.In that regard both the 7970/680 has been underwhelming.In the same process node 780 was a very good jump compared to 680(around ~30%).In the past we got 480->580 and 5870->6970 which were both ~15% faster.

That's ignoring price. Since we're generalizing about consumers, price matters a lot which makes Silicon's point stand.

EDIT:

Jan 2012, GTX 580 still cost $500, for $50 more you could buy HD 7970. Performance difference ~20%
Apr 2013, HD 7970GE was now in the <$450 range, GTX 780 hit for >$650. Performance difference ~25%

 

[Jaydip]

That's ignoring price. Since we're generalizing about consumers, price matters a lot which makes Silicon's point stand.

EDIT:

Jan 2012, GTX 580 still cost $500, for $50 more you could buy HD 7970. Performance difference ~20%
Apr 2013, HD 7970GE was now in the <$450 range, GTX 780 hit for >$650. Performance difference ~25%

That is a fair point.I believe it has to do with GK110 tax which is not a gaming oriented architecture at all.I am interested how NV handles their next GM110 variants.

 

[Cloudfire777]

More like, Techpowerup is much more likely to have games where the drivers were immature. This is the problem when changing to a completely new architecture.

The 7970 is a better upgrade over the 580 than the 780 ever was over the GHz edition, on any metric you care to discuss.

Oh btw, the 7970 was still 20% faster on release at TPU at 1600p even with immature drivers -

Yup, that 8% comes from stupid resolutions like 1024x768. So not only was it a cherry pick, it was the pick of the cherry picks. :awe:

OK since you seem to want to continue this stupid discussion about old GPUs, lets do the 3 biggest resolutions.

1050p: 7%
1200p: 11%
1600p: 19%

That is an average of 12%. Not the 30% you tried to post.
Immature drivers? What did you expect TPU to do? Wait 6 months down the line to post the reviews with those drivers because the AMD made at launch wasnt good enough?
The whole point was that Nvidia was in no rush to push out new GPUs because of small improvements like that, at that time.

 

[railven]

That is a fair point.I believe it has to do with GK110 tax which is not a gaming oriented architecture at all.I am interested how NV handles their next GM110 variants.

Yeah, don't get me started on this return of the premium tax. R9 290X is slated to be in the >$650 price bracket too, and what will it be, 5-10% faster than GTX 780?

~20% faster than HD 7970GE which is now in the ~$300 slot.

First world problems, I guess haha.

 

[wand3r3r]

Is this thread about NV price cuts? Where is it?

 

[Skott]

"there are jitters being felt at NVIDIA"

I LOL at this remark. Like who doesn't believe nvidia saw this coming quite some time ago and has a plan to fight it and has just been waiting while working on other developement? They had a card or a number of them ready for some time I'm betting and with the high price of their upper end cards they can easily afford some hefty price cuts if needed. Although I dont think there will be that hefty of cuts made. AMD & nvidia have been keeping their higher end cards quite expensive for profit making for a long while now. Gone are the days of the old price wars with these two manufacturers.

 

[SolMiester]

Why do I get the feeling that "stupid" means anything that makes Nvidia look bad.

Compare transitor count then as that is where the performance comes from. The 580 has 3 billion, the 7970 has 4.31 billion. So the 7970 performed ~25% faster on immature drivers with 44% more transistor budget.

The 780 has 7.1 billion. So the 780 performed ~20% faster on mature drivers with 65% more transistors.

Anyway you look at it - apart from your "node shrink" way - shows that the 7970 was a better upgrade than the 780 was.

Except the CF drivers were pants!.../joke

 

[SolMiester]

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[SiliconWars]

Yes, on average the 7970 was 20%~25% faster than the 580 at stock clocks, with immature drivers. The 780 was about 20% faster than the 7970 GHz with mature drivers.

 

[SolMiester]

What was the difference between 7970 and its prev gen high end (6970) and 780 and prev gen high end (680)?...though NV had 2 high end cards on this node!

 

[wand3r3r]

What was the difference between 7970 and its prev gen high end (6970) and 780 and prev gen high end (680)?...though NV had 2 high end cards on this node!

680 was the 560 ti successor. Titan is the 580 successor.

Except the CF drivers were pants!.../joke

Another jab at amd crossfire drivers? Have you acknowledged nv driver issues (ever)? Once or twice a threads just great. Yay.

 

[railven]

Bah not worth it, back to reading

 

[thilanliyan]

That is a fair point.I believe it has to do with GK110 tax which is not a gaming oriented architecture at all.

You mean the nVidia tax?

nVidia didn't HAVE to price the 780 at $650, but they did because they knew people would buy it. Has nothing to do with it being "gaming oriented", just like Titan doesn't NEED to cost $1k for them to make a profit. Just so we're clear, I absolutely have no problem with charging what they do for their cards, they're a business in it to make money.

680 was the 560 ti successor. Titan is the 580 successor.

Nah, 680 was the 5900Ultra successor!! OMG look 10,000% performance increase for the same price!!!!!!

 

[SolMiester]

680 was the 560 ti successor. Titan is the 580 successor.



Another jab at amd crossfire drivers? Have you acknowledged nv driver issues (ever)? Once or twice a threads just great. Yay.

If the 680 was 560ti successor as you stated, then the NV generation perf improvement is miles ahead of AMD 7970 v 6970....

As for another jab, Silicon Wars was busy going on about perf improvements, the 7970 had over 580.....Too bad if you dont like it....oh and most NV bugs (not talking card features here) are usually fixed next release as with AMD bugs.

 

[Erenhardt]

If the 680 was 560ti successor as you stated, then the NV generation perf improvement is miles ahead of AMD 7970 v 6970....

Which again, shows only how far behind GTX580 was... Yet, best buy compared to 7970, right? And people wonder why nv is charging arm and a leg?

As for another jab, Silicon Wars was busy going on about perf improvements, the 7970 had over 580.....Too bad if you dont like it....oh and most NV bugs (not talking card features here) are usually fixed next release as with AMD bugs.

Is issue with audio via HDMI fixed?

 

[SolMiester]

Which again, shows only how far behind GTX580 was... Yet, best buy compared to 7970, right? And people wonder why nv is charging arm and a leg?

Not sure what your talking about there..Im sure W was taking the pi** when he said 680 was 560Ti successor, due to the fact GK104 was mid range chip...however 580 was previous, and its competition 6970....

Is issue with audio via HDMI fixed?

I dont use audio with HDMI on NV, but it works great for me on AMD.

 

[Shmee]

Unless someone has any substantial information on price drops for Nvidia, (which I would love to see) then this thread will likely be closed as it is going way off topic.