[TPU] Nvidia prepares "price cuts across it's entire lineup"

[SolMiester]

Coming from the guy with the antique Nvidia graphics card. Give the AMD driver issue a rest for corn sake. I think you've hit the Guinness book of world records for crapping on AMD drivers. I'm sure all those same people with crossfire issues feel bad for you gaming on your Model T 9600GT...In your infamous words...LOL....

But seriously..It's great news all around. Competition is awesome.

OK, I havent updated the sig, fair enough...AMD still has the record for broken drivers....
But yeah, the new GPU looks awesome, will certainly shake the price structuring all around...

 

[Cloudfire777]

Except... it wasn't. Not even close to 30%, go back to school and learn math.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/28.html

A measly 8% on the orginal 7970? wow didnt know they were that close. No wonder why Nvidia was in no rush

 

[QueBert]

An OC'd 7950 will beat a 770 at that resolution. It's still almost pointless buying anything else within $100 either way.

Good to know, I haven't been following video cards in a while. I ended up ordering this one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127667

Looks pretty solid.

 

[Keysplayr]

What I find amazing is that anyone thinks that 4 months of the 780 being 20% faster than the 7970 GHz is somehow better than 3 months of the 7970 (original) being 30% faster than the 580.

It's almost like they must be living in a bubble where they only see positives from one side.

Yeah. What's that like?

 

[RiDE]

Yeah. What's that like?

Ask the guy right before that post. :awe:

 

[Keysplayr]

Ask the guy right before that post. :awe:

No, I asked the right one.

 

[rgallant]

Not so fast! Maybe 7970 have been competitive with 580 on performance, but it was priced higher! So it clearly doesn't count!

just saying
seems to me a 3 gb 580 was over the 7970 $549 $$ just for a apple to apple $$=$$ trying to keep history on track ,
no reviewers benches the 580 3 gb at $600.00 +showing the 7970 faster and cheaper why was that?
-seems vram is the only reason why I want to to upgrade my 580sli with 1.5 gb .
bhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004YJVUBG/ref=dp_olp_0/192-7758849-8359455?ie=UTF8&condition=all
btw only $599
3gb 580 you can have 2 for only $1200 bucks

 

[RussianSensation]

Except... it wasn't. Not even close to 30%, go back to school and learn math.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/28.html

Let's try this again. 580 oc vs. 7970 oc is the only thing most of us cared about. The performance gain was massive, far in excess of what 780oc vs. 7970oc delivers.

I guess it's easy for people to forget nearly 2 years later that 7970 gains 24-33% more performance from overclocking on air.

7970 vs. 580 was better than 780/Titan vs. 7970 in price/performance and in aggregate % gains and all that for $50-100 more over most 580 1.5 cards. Of course really the 1.5Gb 580 is crippled now, making this comparison even more in favour of the 7970 since 580 3GB cost the same or more!

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Good to see that there might be price drops due to competition. Either way, even before this 770/780 were really overpriced compared to 7970Ghz. Of course now with 7970Ghz aka R9 280X more or less dropping to the official $299 MSRP level, 770 looks completely out of place at $379-449.

I think it would be nice if NV repositioned the Titan as DP-crippled 785 at $650 and released 2880 SP Titan Ultra for $1000.

Looks like the GPU market overall is rather slow/boring until 20nm Maxwell/20nm GCN launch. The only new cards worth talking about since 7970 released were 780/Titan and R9 290X. Many could easily coast another 9-11 months until 20nm wit their existing 680/7970Ghz oc cards.

 

[blackened23]

Part of the equation is also the pathetic drivers that shipped with the 7970. Subsequent drivers for the 7970 improved performance dramatically, but the launch situation, in hindsight, was inexcusable.

You are correct though - with proper drivers and overclocking the situation versus the 580 changed quite a bit. I had actually swapped from 580 sli to 7970 CF and the difference in terms of framerate was actually, staggering. That is, the 7970 in both single and dual card config was much faster than the 580 in all of my games. The situation improved a lot a few months later when the driver situation become acceptable - AMD has actually made strides in terms of drivers from what i've seen - they just need to fix eyefinity CF now.

I really hope that AMD learned from the 7970 launch. That was just a mess. They didn't even have WHQL or Vista drivers until a month post launch IIRC.

 

[rgallant]

+1 to RS

 

[raghu78]

Except... it wasn't. Not even close to 30%, go back to school and learn math.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/28.html

Wow. you found a single review which suits your view. how about you check out a few more sites to get a better idea of the real perf improvement.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...s/49646-amd-radeon-hd-7970-3gb-review-25.html
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2011/test-amd-radeon-hd-7970/10/
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/848-25/recapitulatif-performances.html
http://www.sweclockers.com/recension/14844-amd-radeon-hd-7970/17#pagehead

20-25% at 1080p and 25-30% at 1600p.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/02/08/gigabyte_radeon_hd_7970_oc_video_card_review/3

also the average OC headroom on HD 7970 was 200 mhz and the max overclock headroom was 375 mhz. so the perf gap widened between HD 7970 OC and GTX 580 OC. :thumbsup:

 

[BoFox]

No, I asked the right one.

Yeah, you're wondering what it's like to be in that bubble, and not receive cards for free.. gotcha!

 

[BoFox]

Never before have we seen a second-tier (by designation, i.e. G92 or GF104) GPU hover at over $400 for much more than one year, in the past!! That is, GK104 - even when GK110 was around for a while.

Only if Nvidia could let us have the fastest GK104 for as cheap as Intel is letting us have the fastest Haswell... that would have been pretty cool.

 

[wand3r3r]

OK, I havent updated the sig, fair enough...AMD still has the record for broken drivers....
But yeah, the new GPU looks awesome, will certainly shake the price structuring all around...

Do you have a source other than yourself claiming that all the time in just about every thread you can?

 

[BoFox]

Hey, that's ok - some people are just like this, literally:

 

[SolMiester]

Do you have a source other than yourself claiming that all the time in just about every thread you can?

Yes, I linked it in the thread..its NOT a claim, its the fact Jack!

 

[wand3r3r]

OK, I havent updated the sig, fair enough...AMD still has the record for broken drivers....
But yeah, the new GPU looks awesome, will certainly shake the price structuring all around...

Yes, I linked it in the thread..its NOT a claim, its the fact Jack!

Show me your mysterious source that AMD has the "record" for broken drivers? You claim this [type of thing] all the time, and now you claim to have a source? I'd like to see it. I sure haven't seen it yet.

I believe/know they have driver bugs, as does NV. But constantly spreading fud is another thing especially when you don't own and AMD card and sit and whine about their drivers non stop. I'd love to see the bug reports from both but they aren't going to publish them so we're left to some cheerleaders in forums to perpetuate the fud.

You get the point. /OT

 

[Gikaseixas]

A measly 8% on the orginal 7970? wow didnt know they were that close. No wonder why Nvidia was in no rush

My trollmeter broke :biggrin:

OP i think competition is great and Nvidia is only lowering the prices due to the competition they're are about to face. Nv should lower Titan to $650 and GTX780 to $550 if the leaks are accurate

 

[SolMiester]

Show me your mysterious source that AMD has the "record" for broken drivers? You claim this [type of thing] all the time, and now you claim to have a source? I'd like to see it. I sure haven't seen it yet.

I believe/know they have driver bugs, as does NV. But constantly spreading fud is another thing especially when you don't own and AMD card and sit and whine about their drivers non stop. I'd love to see the bug reports from both but they aren't going to publish them so we're left to some cheerleaders in forums to perpetuate the fud.

You get the point. /OT

I just told you its in the post I made, as for the record, CF hasnt been stable on multiple monitors from day one, go look at CF reviews from the time, im not going to hunt them down for you...AMD touts the 7990 as fastest card, yet, its only good for 25x16...Im not claiming anything, im just reporting what some try to hide or gloss over.

 

[3DVagabond]

Or that the GTX 680 was more than good enough and sold a ton on its own

So how long have Titan been alone on the market now? What about GTX 780 which is laughable that you mention "late to the party" when its miles ahead of 7970. 4 months alone on the market for GTX 780. 7 months for Titan.

Yeah, Nvidia is the one "late to the party"...

Not only does AMD lack strategy, but their fans seem to have this unability to see it too. Nvidia have been sitting comfortably this whole entire generation.

None of that matters at all to someone who is in the market today. If you bought a new card 7mos. ago, or 4mos. ago, good on ya. If someone is looking for a new card this Christmas though who cares whether Titan or the 780 were available first.

Just like the release price of Tahiti doesn't matter to someone looking to buy a card now. You can now get 7970's for <$300. That's all that matters.

It also likely doesn't matter to anyone on these boards that Titan has 1/3 DP capability. AMD cards are superior in OpenCL than anything nVidia makes. Titan competes with Pitcairn in most OpenCL benches, but who here cares?

 

[Leadbox]

I just told you its in the post I made, as for the record, CF hasnt been stable on multiple monitors from day one, go look at CF reviews from the time, im not going to hunt them down for you...AMD touts the 7990 as fastest card, yet, its only good for 25x16...Im not claiming anything, im just reporting what some try to hide or gloss over.

There are people still stuck on the 314.22 driver because of issues with subsequent nVidia drivers don't you think this is more significant an issue than the less than 1% of ppl running multimonitor?
If you're going to point out issues , at least try to be balanced about it so as not appear all green

 

[96Firebird]

Let's try this again. 580 oc vs. 7970 oc... blah blah blah

Time to move the goal posts, something you are VERY good at!

Wow. you found a single review which suits your view. how about you check out a few more sites to get a better idea of the real perf improvement.

I like TPU, I know where to go for the performance summary. And another plus, the site is already in English! My native language! How fun is that?! :awe:

 

[Elfear]

I like TPU, I know where to go for the performance summary. And another plus, the site is already in English! My native language! How fun is that?! :awe:

Come on. You have to admit he has a good point. The average across launch reviews was ~25%, not 8%.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Come on. You have to admit he has a good point. The average across launch reviews was ~25%, not 8%.

Nono.

Eveyone knows that last gen NVIDIA card is always almost the same speed as the new gen AMD card.

And then somehow the new gen NVIDIA card is always twice as fast as its previous gen card but only slightly faster than the new gen AMD card.

But hey, I'm sure the GTX580 is like 30% faster than the 6970 as well...

 

[96Firebird]

Come on. You have to admit he has a good point. The average across launch reviews was ~25%, not 8%.

I never said it was 8%... :hmm:

It is indeed more like 20-25%, depending on resolution and AA/AF. Which is, of course, not 30%.

But hey, I'm sure the GTX580 is like 30% faster than the 6970 as well...

Who said this?

Perhaps you should read through the discussion again, I'm not even sure what the graph you posted was referring to.