Tough Morality Question: Is It Right For Illegal Aliens to...

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Well since infinite is the opposite of finite resources have to be one of the two. They are mutually exclusive!

Not to a Liberal/Socialist who wants your tax dollars

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: dahunanIs the US the only one who can save her?

The Longer we take care of Mexicos problems the longer Mexico will remain a sh!tty place to live.

Log off and stay away from the TV.... radiation is dangerous for your few remaining brain cells..... I CHALLENGE you to tell me that you have been in Mexico, know the country WELL and know what you are talking about!! You only know what the mass media feeds you. Come on retarded, prove me that you know what you are saying.

Mexico has the 12 largest economy in the world..... but it has also one of the most polarized societies..... Wealth distribution is extremely unequal (a flaw of capitalism), and while the ipper and middle class have a good life, 85% of the country struggles every day. Some of those are really poor.......

The USA taking care of our problems???? Take the challenge, SHOW me, PROVE me how you are taking care of my problems......

 

[StageLeft]

Unwelcome? Illegal immigrants do a lot more than cut the grass. Without them, costs of many things would go up. Houses and childcare are two big ones that come to mind.

They are unwelcome, otherwise they wouldn't be called illegal and there wouldn't be border patrols setup. There seems to be a hypocrisy to it almost. It's as if people are very much against illegals getting into the country, but the second that person is successful and they are here it's as if nobody cares about them anymore to remove them.

 

[Tom]

"but I'd think that the US should be looking out for its own people first, "

Along those lines I don't think the USA has an obligation to go beyond it's borders actively searching for people who would benefit from expensive mediacl care. But if someone is here I don't think their immigration status should matter in a medical decision.

So in other words, I think the present system of making it somewhat difficult to immigrate illegally, but treating those people that we can, is actually a good compromise.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Like I asked before, are you on crack? Hospital resources are infinite? "

I don't particularly want to get in an argument over semantics, but I didn't say hospital resources are infinite. I said they are not finite. Those two sentences are not interchangeable.

they are interchangeable. you have FINITE and INFINITE. Infinite means NOT FINITE. hence what choices are you leaving us?? that's the way the language is, if you don't like it use different words.

The problem with bleeding hearts is that they don't have the ability to understand a shred of logic. For them, the world is all bunnies and kittens and flowers and anybody who uses logic is evil.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: dahunanIs the US the only one who can save her?

The Longer we take care of Mexicos problems the longer Mexico will remain a sh!tty place to live.

Log off and stay away from the TV.... radiation is dangerous for your few remaining brain cells..... I CHALLENGE you to tell me that you have been in Mexico, know the country WELL and know what you are talking about!! You only know what the mass media feeds you. Come on retarded, prove me that you know what you are saying.

Mexico has the 12 largest economy in the world..... but it has also one of the most polarized societies..... Wealth distribution is extremely unequal (a flaw of capitalism), and while the ipper and middle class have a good life, 85% of the country struggles every day. Some of those are really poor.......

The USA taking care of our problems???? Take the challenge, SHOW me, PROVE me how you are taking care of my problems......

and just how exactly are any of those problems that of the US??

and if mexico is such a great place to live, why are there soo many illegal immigrants in the US from mexico?? i don't have to go to mexico to know that that most of these illegal immigrants come from homes that are living in 3rd world conditions. prove to me that, what i've said is untrue. PROVE IT TO ME.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Skoorb

So Illegal Aliens who are used for Medical Research should be considered expendable and without recourse if the Doctor or Medical Center is incompetent?

All I'm saying is that if you choose to come into a nation illegally and make use of their sympathetic system for health care and they screw up - as all systems do from time to time - you cannot sue them.

So you agree that Illegal Aliens are expendable when it comes to Medical Research. Joseph Mengele would have agreed with you I'm sure

Well I think there is a difference between using an illegal as a lab rat and gaining research information from an otherwise somewhat common procedure. I don't know the specifics but she wasn't being paid money to get played around with by doctors experimenting. Although it had a research aspect the real gist of it was to make her better, no different from any other transplant operation AFAIK.

Hey Canuck, keep your socialist baby fur seal clubbing opinion to yourself Here I am debating this issue with you and you aren't even an American. Hell you can go get free Medical Treatment in your own country j/k

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: dahunanIs the US the only one who can save her?

The Longer we take care of Mexicos problems the longer Mexico will remain a sh!tty place to live.

Log off and stay away from the TV.... radiation is dangerous for your few remaining brain cells..... I CHALLENGE you to tell me that you have been in Mexico, know the country WELL and know what you are talking about!! You only know what the mass media feeds you. Come on retarded, prove me that you know what you are saying.

Mexico has the 12 largest economy in the world..... but it has also one of the most polarized societies..... Wealth distribution is extremely unequal (a flaw of capitalism), and while the ipper and middle class have a good life, 85% of the country struggles every day. Some of those are really poor.......

The USA taking care of our problems???? Take the challenge, SHOW me, PROVE me how you are taking care of my problems......

First off, I will do what you ask But you can go let your sister fvck you with a wooden dildo for calling me a retard...


dahnan, you are but a splinter away from taking a vacation from here. Watch it please.

 

[IGBT]

Give em anything they want..anything they can think of..if they can't get here send a car,truck,ship whatever..and let the system collapse around them.

 

[Tom]

"Well since infinite is the opposite of finite resources have to be one of the two. They are mutually exclusive!"

Is the amount of money I will have in my pocket next Thursday finite ? No.

Is it infinite ? No.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Well since infinite is the opposite of finite resources have to be one of the two. They are mutually exclusive!"

Is the amount of money I will have in my pocket next Thursday finite ? No.

Is it infinite ? No.

Yes it's FINITE. there is a LIMIT. hence it is FINITE.

Finite is the root word, Infinite is the modified word where in=NOT. get it??

sheesh.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Well since infinite is the opposite of finite resources have to be one of the two. They are mutually exclusive!"

Is the amount of money I will have in my pocket next Thursday finite ? No.

Is it infinite ? No.

this is soo stupid i have to respond to it twice. is your IQ above 60?? do you have ABSOLUTELY any idea what the words you use means??

FINITE MEANS there is a limit. Infinite is the opposite of that meaning there is NO LIMIT. OMFG, how do morons like you get access to the internet?

 

[LakAttack]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Unwelcome? Illegal immigrants do a lot more than cut the grass. Without them, costs of many things would go up. Houses and childcare are two big ones that come to mind.

They are unwelcome, otherwise they wouldn't be called illegal and there wouldn't be border patrols setup. There seems to be a hypocrisy to it almost. It's as if people are very much against illegals getting into the country, but the second that person is successful and they are here it's as if nobody cares about them anymore to remove them.

Exactly. Because once they are here, they are very much in demand as workers. Workers that make life better for most Americans. Why should we send them back? THAT costs the taxpayers money too. Do you want to fund millions of INS workers to patrol every new neighborhood development and restaurant? That costs money, and it will cost more when americans take over those jobs and demand a minimum wage and benefits.

 

[StageLeft]

Hey Canuck, keep your socialist baby fur seal clubbing opinion to yourself Here I am debating this issue with you and you aren't even an American. Hell you can go get free Medical Treatment in your own country j/k

Hey you weren't supposed to point out that I'm not American

 

[StageLeft]

Exactly. Because once they are here, they are very much in demand as workers. Workers that make life better for most Americans. Why should we send them back? THAT costs the taxpayers money too. Do you want to fund millions of INS workers to patrol every new neighborhood development and restaurant? That costs money, and it will cost more when americans take over those jobs and demand a minimum wage and benefits.

Why don't you open your borders then entirely...?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Well since infinite is the opposite of finite resources have to be one of the two. They are mutually exclusive!"

Is the amount of money I will have in my pocket next Thursday finite ? No.

Is it infinite ? No.

If you can't keep it civil maybe you should step away for a moment to see if you can regain your composure. The alternative will be a vacation from these forums.

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: dahunan
IT would be one helluva lot cheaper to fly their damn ASSES BACK TO MEXICO TO GET TREATMENT

WHYTF DOES AMERICA ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE


Why doesn't the MEDIA CALL HER AN ILLEGAL in all the heartwrenching media reports???

Get a geography book!!! Mexico IS in America..... what you mean is the USA, so say it correctly. Don't like it??? Show me a book saying that Mexico is in Europe, or somewhere else, but not in America.....

Regarding the topic of the thread, it is a tough issue. She should be denied the attention by law (I am Mexican by the way, born in Mexico, raised in Mexico, living happily in Mexico.....) . But mercy and human emotions don't know about laws, and humanitaryly she deserves the attention.

Point of view from a foreigner??? Give her the medical attention, then deport her.... period.

if you want to be technical, Mexico is in NORTH AMERICA. there is no such place as AMERICA. there are the AMERICAS but no such place as AMERICA except in commonly used jargon where AMERICA = USofA.

That is the newest division.... and it was created to be more specific about PARTS of the continent .... because "North" and "South" obviously refer to PARTS of a COMMON denominator, and the terms are intended to be more specific..... If you check also older geography books, the continent as a whole is called "America"..... and that is how it is referred even by the scripts of the first colonizers..... You are mentioning also "commonly used jargon..." You are also forgetting that the rest of the world teaches the continent as "America", with divisions in South, Central and North.....

 

[StageLeft]

Who else here feels the love?

 

[LakAttack]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who else here feels the love?

/raises hand

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: dahunan


First off, I will do what you ask But you can go let your sister fvck you with a wooden dildo for calling me a retard...

That is your dream fantasy..... and until you get me the DATA you are the one with the dildo inside.....

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: dahunan
IT would be one helluva lot cheaper to fly their damn ASSES BACK TO MEXICO TO GET TREATMENT

WHYTF DOES AMERICA ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE


Why doesn't the MEDIA CALL HER AN ILLEGAL in all the heartwrenching media reports???

Get a geography book!!! Mexico IS in America..... what you mean is the USA, so say it correctly. Don't like it??? Show me a book saying that Mexico is in Europe, or somewhere else, but not in America.....

Regarding the topic of the thread, it is a tough issue. She should be denied the attention by law (I am Mexican by the way, born in Mexico, raised in Mexico, living happily in Mexico.....) . But mercy and human emotions don't know about laws, and humanitaryly she deserves the attention.

Point of view from a foreigner??? Give her the medical attention, then deport her.... period.

if you want to be technical, Mexico is in NORTH AMERICA. there is no such place as AMERICA. there are the AMERICAS but no such place as AMERICA except in commonly used jargon where AMERICA = USofA.

That is the newest division.... and it was created to be more specific about PARTS of the continent .... because "North" and "South" obviously refer to PARTS of a COMMON denominator, and the terms are intended to be more specific..... If you check also older geography books, the continent as a whole is called "America"..... and that is how it is referred even by the scripts of the first colonizers..... You are mentioning also "commonly used jargon..." You are also forgetting that the rest of the world teaches the continent as "America", with divisions in South, Central and North.....

BTW, your point of give her medical attention that deport her is interesting. i'm curious as to what you mean by medical condition tho?? should we just stabilize her condition or perform the transplant. in her case it seemed that we could of deported her w/o causing her death.

 

[LakAttack]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Exactly. Because once they are here, they are very much in demand as workers. Workers that make life better for most Americans. Why should we send them back? THAT costs the taxpayers money too. Do you want to fund millions of INS workers to patrol every new neighborhood development and restaurant? That costs money, and it will cost more when americans take over those jobs and demand a minimum wage and benefits.

Why don't you open your borders then entirely...?

I wish i knew. Small minded people ruled by fear dictate this policy.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Well since infinite is the opposite of finite resources have to be one of the two. They are mutually exclusive!"

Is the amount of money I will have in my pocket next Thursday finite ? No.

Is it infinite ? No.

You are too stupid to live. Your mother should have aborted you.

do you think he will post again??

God, i can't handle it when people make stupid statements like that.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

either way the answer is the same, w/ limited resources you have to have a priority list. should that list be based solely on money?? NO, should money be a consideration, Of Course. Should it be based solely on citizenship, NO, but can you ignore it, NO.

in her case she should not have been a priority and there is NOTHING sick about it, that's just how the world revolves.

Either way you completely miss the point once again.

I'll try one more time though...


If the question was posed without ANY OTHER information:

Should we save a teenage girls life if we can? Answer -> Of Course!

Then:

Should we save a poor mexican girls life with our limited resources? Answer -> Probably not.

Conclusion: I find it both sad and sick that the way the "system" (substitute: law, hospitals, or world if necessary) works currently forces us to make a decision on whether a teenage girl lives or dies based on money, resources, and nationality.

WRONG!! Your missing MY whole point. It's not the "system" that imposes limitations. It's a fact of NATURE and of LIFE that resources are limited. Do you believe that there are an UNLIMITED supply of transplantable organs and it's just the "SYSTEM" holding out on us??

Wrong! You are still missing the point completely. What I said has nothing to do with the supply of organs. Did you see the words I suggested you substitute if you were having trouble understanding? I think the word "system" might be throwing you.

Maybe I should use your words and try once more.

Conclusion: I find it both sad and sick that since it's a fact of NATURE and of LIFE that resources are limited. it currently forces us to make a decision on whether a teenage girl lives or dies based on money and nationality.

Is that helping you any?




I

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: LakAttack

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Exactly. Because once they are here, they are very much in demand as workers. Workers that make life better for most Americans. Why should we send them back? THAT costs the taxpayers money too. Do you want to fund millions of INS workers to patrol every new neighborhood development and restaurant? That costs money, and it will cost more when americans take over those jobs and demand a minimum wage and benefits.

Why don't you open your borders then entirely...?

I wish i knew. Small minded people ruled by fear dictate this policy.

OK here's what happens if you open the border: millions of Mexicans flock north. Generally it will be the poorest least educated first since they have the most to gain by leaving Mexico. They all get social security cards. Given the fact that many are not educated instead of filling vacant positions as doctors and team leaders in NASA they fill up the minimum wage jobs. Then once they are filled the rest go unemployed since there is no more labor for them. Then they sit on their butt and collect government benefits. The country ends up crumbling as the benefits paid out grossly overshoot those paid in by the existing taxpayers.