Tough Morality Question: Is It Right For Illegal Aliens to...

[spacelord]

not that I want to give charity to any of the leeches of society.. but I would rather give medical care to someone who is at least an American citizen.. and not some illegal alien.

 

[SeaMonki]

In the world of Capitalism, survival of the fittest is the key! The weaks are weeded out...😀

 

[edro]

No it's not moral...... because an American life is worth so much more than a Mexican life.

Just like how when an American dies..... it makes CNN in about 10 minutes. Yet thousands of Africans die every day from AIDS..... but hey..... their lives don't matter.

 

[spacelord]

send that transplant bimbo back home and let the Mexican governement pay for all her post-operation medical costs.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: edro13
No it's not moral...... because an American life is worth so much more than a Mexican life.

Just like how when an American dies..... it makes CNN in about 10 minutes. Yet thousands of Africans die every day from AIDS..... but hey..... their lives don't matter.

Put your money where your mouth is pal. If you want to pay for the medical care of the billions of poor in this world, be my guest. But don't force me to do it.

 

[spacelord]

amen

 

[badluck]

Just like how when an American dies..... it makes CNN in about 10 minutes. Yet thousands of Africans die every day from AIDS..... but hey..... their lives don't matter

Your statement is somewhat true, but you are neglecting to pass along an interesting part of information. The U.S. public doesn't care about some person dying in Africa. CNN has to make money and by showing stories of people dying in Africa, they won't make money (ratings). They tend to show stories that people are interested in....So go bitch about how our society doesn't care about people dying in Africa, not the news. Don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise....it's about the money.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused
Ya know, if our healthcare system sucks so bad, why do people from all over the world come here to take advantage of it... both rich AND poor????

It's the Middle Class that gets left out.

 

[Down4U]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: edro13
No it's not moral...... because an American life is worth so much more than a Mexican life.

Just like how when an American dies..... it makes CNN in about 10 minutes. Yet thousands of Africans die every day from AIDS..... but hey..... their lives don't matter.

Put your money where your mouth is pal. If you want to pay for the medical care of the billions of poor in this world, be my guest. But don't force me to do it.

I guess I could now begin to understand why the Middle Easterners were happy that 9/11 happened.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Down4U

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: edro13
No it's not moral...... because an American life is worth so much more than a Mexican life.

Just like how when an American dies..... it makes CNN in about 10 minutes. Yet thousands of Africans die every day from AIDS..... but hey..... their lives don't matter.

Put your money where your mouth is pal. If you want to pay for the medical care of the billions of poor in this world, be my guest. But don't force me to do it.

I guess I could now begin to understand why the Middle Easterners were happy that 9/11 happened.

Why, because americans have worked HARD to get what they have and they want to keep it??

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: Down4U

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: edro13
No it's not moral...... because an American life is worth so much more than a Mexican life.

Just like how when an American dies..... it makes CNN in about 10 minutes. Yet thousands of Africans die every day from AIDS..... but hey..... their lives don't matter.

Put your money where your mouth is pal. If you want to pay for the medical care of the billions of poor in this world, be my guest. But don't force me to do it.

I guess I could now begin to understand why the Middle Easterners were happy that 9/11 happened.

In their eyes, US is everything that Islam is against. Of course they're happy with what happen on 9/11.

 

[flavio]

If you look at just the basic question:

"Should we save a teenage girls life if we can?"

For most people it would be without question Of Course We Should, but when you add in her lack of money and her Mexican citizenship most people would prefer to let her die.

Kinda sick how that's setup huh?

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: flavio
If you look at just the basic question:

"Should we save a teenage girls life if we can?"

For most people it would be without question Of Course We Should, but when you add in her lack of money and her Mexican citizenship, most people would prefer to let her die.

Kinda sick how that's setup huh?

I think its more of the $$$ thingy. I rather have my $$$ goes where I want it to go, rather than helping some stranger. Of course her citizenship doesn't help matters.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: flavio
If you look at just the basic question:

"Should we save a teenage girls life if we can?"

For most people it would be without question Of Course We Should, but when you add in her lack of money and her Mexican citizenship, most people would prefer to let her die.

Kinda sick how that's setup huh?

Wrong.

the question is "Should we save a teenage girls life at the cost of Lives of people who have already paid for it?"

Resources are limited, or have you not discovered that yet. IF resources are limited then you have to decide how and when to disperse those resources.

But of course thinking on that level requires that you actually think and not just react, my apologies.

 

[Down4U]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Down4U

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: edro13
No it's not moral...... because an American life is worth so much more than a Mexican life.

Just like how when an American dies..... it makes CNN in about 10 minutes. Yet thousands of Africans die every day from AIDS..... but hey..... their lives don't matter.

Put your money where your mouth is pal. If you want to pay for the medical care of the billions of poor in this world, be my guest. But don't force me to do it.

I guess I could now begin to understand why the Middle Easterners were happy that 9/11 happened.

Why, because americans have worked HARD to get what they have and they want to keep it??

Give me a break. I'm an American citizen too and I also pay my taxes just like you do. You don't see me saying "the hell with you you non-tax paying non-American alien." That's just so Word War II mentality. We passed those times, get over that.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Down4U

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Down4U

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: edro13
No it's not moral...... because an American life is worth so much more than a Mexican life.

Just like how when an American dies..... it makes CNN in about 10 minutes. Yet thousands of Africans die every day from AIDS..... but hey..... their lives don't matter.

Put your money where your mouth is pal. If you want to pay for the medical care of the billions of poor in this world, be my guest. But don't force me to do it.

I guess I could now begin to understand why the Middle Easterners were happy that 9/11 happened.

Why, because americans have worked HARD to get what they have and they want to keep it??

Give me a break. I'm an American citizen too and I also pay my taxes just like you do. You don't see me saying "the hell with you you non-tax paying non-American alien." That's just so Word War II mentality. We passed those times, get over that.

so if it was your daughter that got passed over for a lung transplant for an illegal alien, you would still feel the same way??

We as a society allocate a percentage of our resources for our healthcare. for OUR healthcare. If we want to set up a charity organization for Illegals and such FINE but don't allocate MY resources w/o giving me a choice in the matter.

 

[flavio]

Wrong.

the question is "Should we save a teenage girls life at the cost of Lives of people who have already paid for it?"

Resources are limited, or have you not discovered that yet. IF resources are limited then you have to decide how and when to disperse those resources.

But of course thinking on that level requires that you actually think and not just react, my apologies.

I don't know why you have to be a dick.

Maybe you are unable to comprehend what I am saying though. What I'm saying is that if you take everything else out of it, the question would only be "Should we save a teenage girls life if we can". The answer would be "Of Course" with only this information.

When you add in that she is Mexican, lack of money, and your "resources" only then would people prefer to let her die. Which is kinda sick the way it's setup.

Not saying whether we should treat her or not. Just that it's awful that these factors (money mostly) should determine her life or death.

Got it this time?

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: Down4U

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Down4U

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: edro13
No it's not moral...... because an American life is worth so much more than a Mexican life.

Just like how when an American dies..... it makes CNN in about 10 minutes. Yet thousands of Africans die every day from AIDS..... but hey..... their lives don't matter.

Put your money where your mouth is pal. If you want to pay for the medical care of the billions of poor in this world, be my guest. But don't force me to do it.

I guess I could now begin to understand why the Middle Easterners were happy that 9/11 happened.

Why, because americans have worked HARD to get what they have and they want to keep it??

Give me a break. I'm an American citizen too and I also pay my taxes just like you do. You don't see me saying "the hell with you you non-tax paying non-American alien." That's just so Word War II mentality. We passed those times, get over that.

Just because you don't mind a portion of your salary goes to support those illegal alien, doesn't mean others wouldn't mind as well.

 

[KC5AV]

As to the legal/illegal issue, I heard on NPR the other night that a doctor associated with the hospital heard about her case and decided to bring her to this country. I've also heard the reports about them sneaking across the border. Anyone know for sure which is the more accurate portrayal?

 

[Down4U]

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: Down4U

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Down4U

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: edro13
No it's not moral...... because an American life is worth so much more than a Mexican life.

Just like how when an American dies..... it makes CNN in about 10 minutes. Yet thousands of Africans die every day from AIDS..... but hey..... their lives don't matter.

Put your money where your mouth is pal. If you want to pay for the medical care of the billions of poor in this world, be my guest. But don't force me to do it.

I guess I could now begin to understand why the Middle Easterners were happy that 9/11 happened.

Why, because americans have worked HARD to get what they have and they want to keep it??

Give me a break. I'm an American citizen too and I also pay my taxes just like you do. You don't see me saying "the hell with you you non-tax paying non-American alien." That's just so Word War II mentality. We passed those times, get over that.

Just because you don't mind a portion of your salary goes to support those illegal alien, doesn't mean others wouldn't mind as well.

That's not the point. The point is that the same taxes you and I pay should go for everyone, American or not American, who happen to be in need and are probably also less fortunate than a lot of us.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: flavio

Wrong.

the question is "Should we save a teenage girls life at the cost of Lives of people who have already paid for it?"

Resources are limited, or have you not discovered that yet. IF resources are limited then you have to decide how and when to disperse those resources.

But of course thinking on that level requires that you actually think and not just react, my apologies.

I don't know why you have to be a dick.

Maybe you are unable to comprehend what I am saying though. What I'm saying is that if you take everything else out of it, the question would only be "Should we save a teenage girls life if we can". The answer would be "Of Course" with only this information.

When you add in that she is Mexican, lack of money, and your "resources" only then would people prefer to let her die. Which is kinda sick the way it's setup.

Not saying whether we should treat her or not. Just that it's awful that these factors (money mostly) should determine her life or death.

Got it this time?

so now u resort to personal insults again.

No, i don't get it. that's life. TOUGH CHOICES. We are talking extreme situations here not ordinary circumstances. OF COURSE IF RESOURCES WERE UNLIMITED it wouldn't require a tough choice, BUT THEY ARE. once you've established that resources are limited, what is so sick about the decision making process?? how else would you do it?? would you look into their characters to determine which is more worthy?? not based on nationality or skin color but of the character of the person?? oh wait a minute that becomes almost impossible, but still people should not be judged on shallow thinks like nationality, color of skin, language, or financial resource but on their CHARACTERS. so now we have to spend weeks even MONTHS in order to get to know the CHARACTERS of these poor patients before we decide WHERE to allocate limited resources.

hmmmm. ya, that's really realistic.

It's not SICK, it's life.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Down4U

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: Down4U

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Down4U

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: edro13
No it's not moral...... because an American life is worth so much more than a Mexican life.

Just like how when an American dies..... it makes CNN in about 10 minutes. Yet thousands of Africans die every day from AIDS..... but hey..... their lives don't matter.

Put your money where your mouth is pal. If you want to pay for the medical care of the billions of poor in this world, be my guest. But don't force me to do it.

I guess I could now begin to understand why the Middle Easterners were happy that 9/11 happened.

Why, because americans have worked HARD to get what they have and they want to keep it??

Give me a break. I'm an American citizen too and I also pay my taxes just like you do. You don't see me saying "the hell with you you non-tax paying non-American alien." That's just so Word War II mentality. We passed those times, get over that.

Just because you don't mind a portion of your salary goes to support those illegal alien, doesn't mean others wouldn't mind as well.

That's not the point. The point is that the same taxes you and I pay should go for everyone, American or not American, who happen to be in need and are probably also less fortunate than a lot of us.

How is that the point. We decide where our tax dollars go. or we should where in the constitution or the federal budget or a state constitution or a state budget does it say, we are allocating these resources for Illegal Aliens.

IT DOESN'T.

also your missing the point of the story, it wasn't just MONEY that was limited, there are ONLY a limited number of ORGANS available for Transplant.

 

[Tom]

"Hospital resources are finite and medical care given to somebody not paying taxes is medical care not given to somebody who is."

baloney.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ



so now u resort to personal insults again.

No, i don't get it. that's life. TOUGH CHOICES. We are talking extreme situations here not ordinary circumstances. OF COURSE IF RESOURCES WERE UNLIMITED it wouldn't require a tough choice, BUT THEY ARE. once you've established that resources are limited, what is so sick about the decision making process?? how else would you do it?? would you look into their characters to determine which is more worthy?? not based on nationality or skin color but of the character of the person?? oh wait a minute that becomes almost impossible, but still people should not be judged on shallow thinks like nationality, color of skin, language, or financial resource but on their CHARACTERS. so now we have to spend weeks even MONTHS in order to get to know the CHARACTERS of these poor patients before we decide WHERE to allocate limited resources.

hmmmm. ya, that's really realistic.

It's not SICK, it's life.

NO, you don't get it and you're the one that resorted to insults first.

And your post has nothing to do with what I wrote since it appears you have little ability for reading comprehension.

I said "Not saying whether we should treat her or not". <-- You see that?

But you keep jumping to the conclusion that I think we should treat her anyway.

I said "When you add in that she is Mexican, lack of money, and your "resources" only then would people prefer to let her die".

But you seem to be unable to even picture the situation without these things. It's called a "theoretical question". Look it up.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Hospital resources are finite and medical care given to somebody not paying taxes is medical care not given to somebody who is."

baloney.

and just exactly what does oscar meyer have to do the state of healthcare in the US?