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poncherelli2

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and about the times, yes thats when most people eat, but if it suddenly gets rainy, you may have NO one come to lunch that day. Also, you cant jsut load up the staff for little 2 or 3 hour rushes, theres pretty much a morning shift and a night shift. They gotta be there for the slow periods and the rushes.
 

fredtam

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Originally posted by: jjyiz28
Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: Jumpem<BR>
Originally posted by: StinkyPinky<BR>It isn't up to the customers to pay the waiters wages. It should be the damn company that hired them.
<BR><BR>I agree completely. When I go out I pay the $40 for my food, and leave a $2 tip. Why should I give someone $6-7 just to carry a plate across a room?
<BR><BR><BR>People take waiter/ waitress jobs because they know there is money to be made in tips. Because of this you can end up with some really good people. If the resturaunt pays them instead of allowing tips one of two things will happen.<BR><BR>1. They raise the price of the food. You are still paying the tip but you are no longer able to do so based on the service that you receive.<BR><BR>2. They pay just above minimum wage and now the good people they could have had working for them go elswhere. Now you are being served by that rude, nonattentive slob that used to work at fast foods bottom tier.<BR><BR>I would rather go to a place knowing that there is a set cost for food and what I pay for service is based on my dining experience.

i don't believe in why we the consumer has to pay the restaurant's staffing.

i tip cuz if i dont im only hurting the waitress and not the restaurant itself. But there should be a government regulation to ban tipping and make the restaurant owners pay the waitresses their full wages. if the waitresses sux, they should be fired. simple economics. when i buy groceries, i dont tip the cashier cuz she's doing a fine job scanning my food. when i buy i car at a dealership, i don't tip the salesman selling me the car because he was really nice to me. why should waitressing be any different. if the waitress sux, the consumer will tell the owner, she will get fired, theyn someone else will be hired just like any other friggin job. instead of giving waitresses minimum or even less than min wage + tips, it should be setup as tiers based on how good they are like training tier ($9/hr), average tier ($11/hr), exceptional waitress tier($13/hr).

i do tech support over the phone making 12/hr. why don't my company make it so that we get paid minmum plus any tips we get over the phone??


i just dont understand how restaurants are setup like this..

mostlikely in response to you they will raise the price of your food, which i am all up for. the employees will get a FIXED wage, but it will be alot higher than min wage. crappy waitresses get fired, good waitresses are kept, how simple this sounds to me eh?


Your last line would be fine if they took your idea and banned tipping all together. However it would be hard for a business to do away with tipping because it would make the food look more expensive than comparable resuraunts.
 

jjyiz28

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Originally posted by: CTrain
Christ, this thread got hijacked once again.
We were discussing how tipping in relation to race but it has turn into why service people do not deserve 15%...blah blah...

ok sorry for the hijack, to get back on the topic at hand...

my friend used to deliver pizza and he said its true, blacks dont tip worth sh!t period. point blank baby
 

fredtam

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I love how they use the term black and white in here, it really works well to show his racism.

So which is the correct term for you? Retarded or Mentally Handicapped? Wouldn't want to offend.
 

poncherelli2

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I'll stop hijacking the thread as well. I've got one final point to add that is on topic and is gonna sound pretty horribly racist, but oh well.

Blacks tip like crap and are obnoxious customers. The blacks who do tip well are either gay (as almost every gay customer I've had tipped well) or they act like white people. I know it sucks for those black people who are good customers and tip well, but when most black people come in, none of the servers want to take their table. I guess thats why there are lawsuits and stuff against dennys, but I do feel for the servers there who've probably been stiffed more times then I'd like to think about by ignorant patrons. Its by no means right, but I totally understand why it happens.
 

nan0bug

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Originally posted by: Jumpem
So what about people like me that can afford to tip 25%, but usually tip around 10% simply because I don't think someone working a job like that should be making more than $10 an hour?


After car maintenance and gas, we're lucky if we make $8. If you don't feel our job justifies the tip, then get up off your lazy ass and come get the pizza yourself, you prick.

People like you always get their pizza last. In fact, if you're a constant stiff or a constant low tip, and I have 3 deliveries, I will deliver the other two, come back to the store acting like i delivered yours, and pick up more pizza just to make you wait, because I dont care about you. I have bills to pay and a child to feed.
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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This thread is horrid. I usually tip the tax, rounded up (we have 15% tax, here) unless whoever I am tipping was a douche in which case he/she gets the ol' finger.

Some of the replies in this thread are ridiculous and make me want to tip less, not more. All this "You should tip 20% minimum because I don't get paid enough" stuff is garbage, 15% is an excellent gratuity. That's right, gratuity, it's what I am giving you to thank you for good service. Heck, I *am* an engineering student and most of my buddies interning that don't make $15 an hour. Not only that, but I know people that get paid weekly wages (more or less salaried) that average half that, if it was tabulated on an hourly basis... and this is for writing C programs in vi.

In all seriousness, unless I one day become rich, I can't ever see myself tipping more than 15% on a regular basis. If you don't think you're making enough money with a 15% tip, take it up with your boss just like everyone else that doesn't think they're getting paid what they deserve.
 

Atrail

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When I waited tables no-one wanted to wait on black people cause they were very poor tippers in general...
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Doug3737
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: classy
I'll tip a brother more than I'll tip whitey, lol :)
Not me, I usually just leave them a dime bag.

That's a big tip ;)
Then I make an anonymous phone call to the police and have them arrested when they leave work;)
 

brunswickite

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
This thread is horrid. I usually tip the tax, rounded up (we have 15% tax, here) unless whoever I am tipping was a douche in which case he/she gets the ol' finger.

Some of the replies in this thread are ridiculous and make me want to tip less, not more. All this "You should tip 20% minimum because I don't get paid enough" stuff is garbage, 15% is an excellent gratuity. That's right, gratuity, it's what I am giving you to thank you for good service. Heck, I *am* an engineering student and most of my buddies interning that don't make $15 an hour. Not only that, but I know people that get paid weekly wages (more or less salaried) that average half that, if it was tabulated on an hourly basis... and this is for writing C programs in vi.

In all seriousness, unless I one day become rich, I can't ever see myself tipping more than 15% on a regular basis. If you don't think you're making enough money with a 15% tip, take it up with your boss just like everyone else that doesn't think they're getting paid what they deserve.

exactly, Waiters/waitress know what they are getting into when they work..
 

vood0g

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Originally posted by: poncherelli2
you are a duesche and I high doubt you've ever waited a table if you claim all a server does is carry food. Most servers are required to show up to their shift 1-2 hours early to setup, fold napkins, clean tables, prepare for brunch/lunch/dinner whatever, stock the server items in the kitchen... among other things. Also, most servers have to stay 30min-1hr after their shift to clean up, finish side work, count checks/money, tip out and all that. This means you are looking at maybe 2 hours of "untipped" time while working. Then you say you understand the server tips out bartender/busser/hostess, this can take away about 30% of the tips you made. Waiters and waitress are not rich people. A 2$ tip isnt worth dick. What your doing by leaving a 2$ tip is expecting others to pick up the slack for your miserly ass by leaving more generous tips.

If you were a customer of mine (and I have many like you), I would confront you by asking how you enjoyed the food and if you were happy with the service you recieved. If you said you were, I would explain that typically customers who are satisfied leave a minimum of 15% if they enjoyed everything, sometimes more (as some people are just naive or messed up the math or thought another person would leave the tip and they apologize and tip an approptiate amount). If you the insisted everything was fine but that you don't care to tip for service or dont believe in it for some reason, I'd ask you to not come back because you are not the type of customer we want in our establishment. We have a very good clientel and don't need people who use our server's time and resources when they couldn be better used on appreciative customers.

This has happened before and people have come back and been identified by our servers as asshole and refused service either by the staff who simply won't waste time on them or by our manager if the customer gets indignant about the situation. In contrast to this, we have many regular customers who always tip b/w 25-50%, and they recieve excellent, personable service everytime as we all know their names, favorite menu items/drinks, and its a much more pleasant experience to work for them.

poncherelli2 = dumbfvck. i normally tip in the range of 15-25%, depending on the level of service that was given. i rarely go under 15 unless the service is horrid, and trust me having a waiter/waitress confront me with a lecture on tipping etiquette at the end of my meal, no matter the level of excellence provided during my meal, will go in the category of horrid and will include 0% tip PLUS a meeting with a manager. i will leave a tip because its my choice to leave one. unless the day comes around when you get arrested for not leaving one, will i ever leave one out of my own freewill, but until then, servers should get used to the fact that there will be times when they will be stiffed.

people are saying that people seek service jobs because tipping is part of the job, well newsflash, getting stiffed is also part of the job.

and i do not agree with the statement that tips keep the service up. if tips were to go away, the only thing that will change is that the snotty brats will be out of the job, and the people who really need/want a job will have one. the a-holes servers will get fired and the good workers will stay. trust me, if you need the money, then minimum wage will be enough for you and you will be thankful that you have a job and will try your best to keep it.
 

welst10

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I usually give 15% exact (I do the calculation by hand using the back of receipt)
If the service is exceptional, 20%
If it's below expectation, 10%
If it's nitemare, 0% and wont return again.

<--- Asian
 

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: beer<BR>Jumpem -<BR><BR>I hope you never patronize the same restaurant on a regular basis. Staff do talk. 10% is insulting.
<BR><BR>why? they should be glad they get anything at all<BR><BR>the US is the only country that tipping is required in, most other countried dont allow it and find it rude to tip<BR><BR>just pay them a normal wage and dont worry about the tips

Yeah I've been to a few of those countries. My glass of Pepsi went from $1 to $5 just because I sat down. I'll take it our way any day.
 

Zontor

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Originally posted by:
.poncherelli2
If you were a customer of mine (and I have many like you), I would confront you by asking how you enjoyed the food and if you were happy with the service you recieved. If you said you were, I would explain that typically customers who are satisfied leave a minimum of 15% if they enjoyed everything, sometimes more (as some people are just naive or messed up the math or thought another person would leave the tip and they apologize and tip an approptiate amount). If you the insisted everything was fine but that you don't care to tip for service or dont believe in it for some reason, I'd ask you to not come back because you are not the type of customer we want in our establishment. We have a very good clientel and don't need people who use our server's time and resources when they couldn be better used on appreciative customers.

Phil Hendrie has a bit like that.....maybe you could also sit on their hood before they left in their car :D

I've been a waiter in college - did damn good money wise when there was something like an Arts Festival or big event in town. What PO'd me was when I'm making $2.80/hr. management came over and asked if I'd help the dishwasher - I said no &amp; quit. You don't get tips washing dishes.

I've found Asians to be the worst tippers - overall (I went to Penn State) I found that the most generous people were those who had been wait staff or were just good 'ol folks.

I *do* have a problem with businesses that push the major labor cost onto the customers via a tip
 

vood0g

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to the OP, i really do not think that race has anything to do with it. it's just a mindset that you grow up with. bad tippers tip less because they were brought up that way. but if they were brought up in a good tipping family, i would think they would be better tippers. people do not tip less because they are black, white, asian, hispanic, wealthy or poor. your tipping habits will change based upon what the people around you tend to do. a couple of my friends used to be horrible tippers, but since they started to hang out with my good tipping friends and me, they saw how other people tip and they start to follow suit. and of course vice versa, good tippers can become bad tippers because they hang out with bad tippers.
 

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I'm fine with tipping, but if the wait staff doesn't make me feel welcome and makes it seem like I'm a burden to their busy life of doing nothing else, then I'm fine with not leaving them a tip.

Example of BAD service:

Went to a Hooters in Myrtle Beach... restaurant had maybe 17-18 groups of people, at least 6 waitresses. Our waitress took our DRINK ORDERS after 10 mintes... (yeah, we should have left after this, but my friends were watching a game and wanted to see the last 2 minutes)... she got our drinks in a whopping 5 minutes (it was just a couple of beers and sodas) and then took our order. She stopped on the way back and started talking to another waitress and FORGOT TO PUT OUR ORDER IN. Because of this, we ended up waiting for our food for about an hour after our order was taken. When we wanted refils or another beer, she would drag herself to our table and one more than one occasion rolled her eyes at the thought of having to do work. In a non-crowded restaurant, this is NOT acceptable. If you guys who are a bit high-strung or set on tipping think this still deserves a tip for "service", then screw you. I left nothing. One of my friends, a waiter of 4 years at applebee's, wrote on the tip line of his receipt: "Here's a tip: stop being such a b!tch."

I know this is an isolated incident and doesn't speak for all service, but I'm just saying, BAD service = Bad tip.
 

Sunner

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I've always had the impression that this more or less forced tipping is an American thing.
The only people I ever tip are bartenders/waitresses or cab drivers.

And even then, I do it only if I feel they deserve it, a waitress who doesn't put forth any effort might get a little, but not much, some of them are even downright rude, they don't get $hit.
Of course some waitresses really do a great job, they're nice to me and my friends, they check out our table regularly to make sure we have something to drink, etc, and as a way to say thanks for the great service, we give plenty of tips.

I'm with Mr Pink, "I don't tip because society says I have to. Alright, I tip when somebody really deserves a tip. If they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something extra. But I mean, this tipping automatically, that's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned they're just doing their job."

Does anyone in here tip the people at McDonalds?
 

Jumpem

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Originally posted by: poncherelli2
you are a duesche and I high doubt you've ever waited a table if you claim all a server does is carry food. Most servers are required to show up to their shift 1-2 hours early to setup, fold napkins, clean tables, prepare for brunch/lunch/dinner whatever, stock the server items in the kitchen... among other things. Also, most servers have to stay 30min-1hr after their shift to clean up, finish side work, count checks/money, tip out and all that. This means you are looking at maybe 2 hours of "untipped" time while working. Then you say you understand the server tips out bartender/busser/hostess, this can take away about 30% of the tips you made. Waiters and waitress are not rich people. A 2$ tip isnt worth dick. What your doing by leaving a 2$ tip is expecting others to pick up the slack for your miserly ass by leaving more generous tips.

If you were a customer of mine (and I have many like you), I would confront you by asking how you enjoyed the food and if you were happy with the service you recieved. If you said you were, I would explain that typically customers who are satisfied leave a minimum of 15% if they enjoyed everything, sometimes more (as some people are just naive or messed up the math or thought another person would leave the tip and they apologize and tip an approptiate amount). If you the insisted everything was fine but that you don't care to tip for service or dont believe in it for some reason, I'd ask you to not come back because you are not the type of customer we want in our establishment. We have a very good clientel and don't need people who use our server's time and resources when they couldn be better used on appreciative customers.

This has happened before and people have come back and been identified by our servers as asshole and refused service either by the staff who simply won't waste time on them or by our manager if the customer gets indignant about the situation. In contrast to this, we have many regular customers who always tip b/w 25-50%, and they recieve excellent, personable service everytime as we all know their names, favorite menu items/drinks, and its a much more pleasant experience to work for them.

Yes I am aware that servers need to tip out bus boys and hostesses, and reset tables, and such.

Would you like to tell me how much their college education for wiating tables cost, or how many years it took? That's right $0 and 0. That is all there is to it, and why I don't thinkt hey need large tips. If they want to earn $20+ an hour they need to get an education and look for a better field.
 

Jumpem

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Originally posted by: poncherelli2
business model?


oh, and btw, I'm waiting tables while in college studying chemical engineering. When I'm done college and working as an engineer (who are gods in your view and deserve the highest pay for their troubles), I will continue to tip well because I understand how difficult it can be. It makes no sense to say engineers deserve high pay because they put in so much work to get there and waiters dont because its an unskilled job. Alot of the work to become and engineer is outside the classroom (i.e. waiting tables) to pay for the education to get there.

I'm glad that you are working your way through college. I am doing the same. we have different points of view that is all. By the way if I had a cocky arrogant waiter like yourself I would only leave a handful of small change as a tip.