The religion of peace...

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
What a derailed and stupid topic this has become.

As for Islam and Muslims. It?s my feelings that the group as a whole is responsible for removing its radical elements. Failure to do so, on our soil, would require us to pressure them to do so.

You do realise that that would be as stupid as asking the western world to remove GW stationed troops? How the FUCK would the overwhelming majority of Americans that want it done alonge with a shitload of others do that?

Oh, so you are personally responsible for at least tenths of thousands of deaths, if we want to play your game you are, personally, just like bullshit joe muslim is responsible for everything every other muslim does, right.

You are insane, pathetic and insane.

I really do despise you ad everything you stand for and i say that as the Commanding officer of the SAS troops in Afghanistan, i wish you would just get dead because you and those like you are pathetic excuses for human beings.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
OK, let's pretend you have hit on things as they are. BTW, I don't believe you have, but as a thought experiment what is your solution to your posited problem?

I've asked this from the beginning, what is the "final solution" to the ethnic/religious problem.

 

[Exterous]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
And I have FAR more experience with Islamic radicalism than any of you.

I have 3 Iranian aunts and have been personally affected by islamic radicalism (or my family at least).

Lets see - you have sampled a population cross section measuring .00000000458% of the population of ONE islamic country = expert? (not to mention them all being from the same sex). But then you must know how many irainin aunts I have since you posted you have more experience than I do.

If this is your experience I am way more inclined to believe JohnOfSheffield than you since I am willing to bet he met more than 3 islamic women during his time in Afghanistan.

Whether I agree with them or not, your arguments are flimsy, generalized, ill mannered, tempered with unsubstantiated assumptions (see bolded above) and will not get your points taken seriously.

For example you say Islam is the problem yet you seem to consider the state and the religion together. I know that religion and state are tied with most Islamic countries but as policies within countries vary this becomes a gross generalization since there are many and varied differences between Islamic countries. Are you referring to the Koran? If so (and keep in mind that I have never read the entire thing) I do not believe it advocates direct violence. Perhaps you are talking about the Islamic Fundamentalist culture? Many of your points fit but since you did not specify what you were referring to I (and everyone else here) are left to try and dissect your meaning from your generalizations

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: yllus
The issue with Middle Eastern countries being cesspits isn't a problem with Islam, it's a problem with tribalism.

However, I do think that Islam is amongst the worst religions in terms of friendliness to critical thought and free speech. It lacks the wiggle room of interpretation that allows other religions to adapt with the times.

You know, I don't see a whole lot of 'friendliness to critical thought' among the 'world is 6000 years old', 'evolution is a lie', and 'homosexuality is an evil choice' crowd.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
What a derailed and stupid topic this has become.

As for Islam and Muslims. It?s my feelings that the group as a whole is responsible for removing its radical elements. Failure to do so, on our soil, would require us to pressure them to do so.

You do realise that that would be as stupid as asking the western world to remove GW stationed troops? How the FUCK would the overwhelming majority of Americans that want it done alonge with a shitload of others do that?

Oh, so you are personally responsible for at least tenths of thousands of deaths, if we want to play your game you are, personally, just like bullshit joe muslim is responsible for everything every other muslim does, right.

You are insane, pathetic and insane.

I really do despise you ad everything you stand for and i say that as the Commanding officer of the SAS troops in Afghanistan, i wish you would just get dead because you and those like you are pathetic excuses for human beings.

I see your "professionalism" is shining through again. You give career officers a bad name.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
OK, let's pretend you have hit on things as they are. BTW, I don't believe you have, but as a thought experiment what is your solution to your posited problem?

I've asked this from the beginning, what is the "final solution" to the ethnic/religious problem.

There is no "final solution"; however burying our heads in the sand to the radicalism and intolerance that is bred into Islam a la South Park Episode (I forget which one it was) does not work either. If I had the answer, I would probably be running for President.

 

[ranmaniac]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
OK, let's pretend you have hit on things as they are. BTW, I don't believe you have, but as a thought experiment what is your solution to your posited problem?

I've asked this from the beginning, what is the "final solution" to the ethnic/religious problem.

There is no "final solution"; however burying our heads in the sand to the radicalism and intolerance that is bred into Islam a la South Park Episode (I forget which one it was) does not work either. If I had the answer, I would probably be running for President.

The solution is to give all the junk food, cable/satellite tv, and video games to the areas most radical and engage in a cultural war that will pacify the people into becoming consumer zombies. I mean what kid wouldn't pick McDonalds, xbox 360 etc over becoming a suicide bomber?

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

you guys have yet to approach the following facts:

ISlamic theocracies and their grasp on society - state run media, schools, and culture...all guided under Islam.

DO YOU DENY?

These 1.4 billion muslims have to live somewhere ya know, and most don't live in the West.

What you wrote here is nonsensical. I mean, it's not a coherent sentence in English. What are you trying to claim?

attacking my disregard for int@rweb speak instead of approaching argument...shocking.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: yllus
The issue with Middle Eastern countries being cesspits isn't a problem with Islam, it's a problem with tribalism.

However, I do think that Islam is amongst the worst religions in terms of friendliness to critical thought and free speech. It lacks the wiggle room of interpretation that allows other religions to adapt with the times.

You know, I don't see a whole lot of 'friendliness to critical thought' among the 'world is 6000 years old', 'evolution is a lie', and 'homosexuality is an evil choice' crowd.

So you see no distinction between fundamentalism Islam and fundamentalism Christianity?

Fundi Christianity PALES in COMPARISON to fundi Islam.


You have good Craig, better than Europe and Asia. Be grateful that the only s**t you have to deal with his silly protests and creationism vs. evolution. And you can respond with any opinion you want.

If you were in Saudi Arabia, any angst would be met with deportation, imprisonment, torture, or disowning from family.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

you guys have yet to approach the following facts:

ISlamic theocracies and their grasp on society - state run media, schools, and culture...all guided under Islam.

DO YOU DENY?

These 1.4 billion muslims have to live somewhere ya know, and most don't live in the West.

What you wrote here is nonsensical. I mean, it's not a coherent sentence in English. What are you trying to claim?

attacking my disregard for int@rweb speak instead of approaching argument...shocking.

No, not in the slightest. I honestly have no idea what the hell you were trying to say. I'm not talking trash, it's just that your writing was so poor that what you wrote defied my ability to decipher it.

I'm dead serious, what are you trying to say there? Are you ready to articulate your points of contention yet? I'm still waiting.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: yllus
The issue with Middle Eastern countries being cesspits isn't a problem with Islam, it's a problem with tribalism.

However, I do think that Islam is amongst the worst religions in terms of friendliness to critical thought and free speech. It lacks the wiggle room of interpretation that allows other religions to adapt with the times.

You know, I don't see a whole lot of 'friendliness to critical thought' among the 'world is 6000 years old', 'evolution is a lie', and 'homosexuality is an evil choice' crowd.

So you see no distinction between fundamentalism Islam and fundamentalism Christianity?

Fundi Christianity PALES in COMPARISON to fundi Islam.


You have good Craig, better than Europe and Asia. Be grateful that the only s**t you have to deal with his silly protests and creationism vs. evolution. And you can respond with any opinion you want.

If you were in Saudi Arabia, any angst would be met with deportation, imprisonment, torture, or disowning from family.

 

[Born2bwire]

Is he really 16? Man, that would explain so much.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: yllus
The issue with Middle Eastern countries being cesspits isn't a problem with Islam, it's a problem with tribalism.

However, I do think that Islam is amongst the worst religions in terms of friendliness to critical thought and free speech. It lacks the wiggle room of interpretation that allows other religions to adapt with the times.

You know, I don't see a whole lot of 'friendliness to critical thought' among the 'world is 6000 years old', 'evolution is a lie', and 'homosexuality is an evil choice' crowd.

So you see no distinction between fundamentalism Islam and fundamentalism Christianity?

Fundi Christianity PALES in COMPARISON to fundi Islam.


You have good Craig, better than Europe and Asia. Be grateful that the only s**t you have to deal with his silly protests and creationism vs. evolution. And you can respond with any opinion you want.

If you were in Saudi Arabia, any angst would be met with deportation, imprisonment, torture, or disowning from family.

I'll ask you one last time. Spell out clearly what you are trying to argue.

Are you arguing fundamentalist Islam is "worse" then fundamentalist Christianity? If so, in what way are you arguing that it is worse? Are you arguing that Islamic states are repressive because they are Islamic? If so, what is your reasoning? Etc... etc.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: yllus
The issue with Middle Eastern countries being cesspits isn't a problem with Islam, it's a problem with tribalism.

However, I do think that Islam is amongst the worst religions in terms of friendliness to critical thought and free speech. It lacks the wiggle room of interpretation that allows other religions to adapt with the times.

You know, I don't see a whole lot of 'friendliness to critical thought' among the 'world is 6000 years old', 'evolution is a lie', and 'homosexuality is an evil choice' crowd.

So you see no distinction between fundamentalism Islam and fundamentalism Christianity?

Fundi Christianity PALES in COMPARISON to fundi Islam.


You have good Craig, better than Europe and Asia. Be grateful that the only s**t you have to deal with his silly protests and creationism vs. evolution. And you can respond with any opinion you want.

If you were in Saudi Arabia, any angst would be met with deportation, imprisonment, torture, or disowning from family.

I'll ask you one last time. Spell out clearly what you are trying to argue.

Are you arguing fundamentalist Islam is "worse" then fundamentalist Christianity? If so, in what way are you arguing that it is worse? Are you arguing that Islamic states are repressive because they are Islamic? If so, what is your reasoning? Etc... etc.

Well... apparently... Craig has good Craig. So much so that it's better Craig than the Craig available on the European and Asian continents. Craig should be grateful that the only problems that he needs to address are Craig's silly protests and his upcoming wrestling match between Creationism and Evolution.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: yllus
The issue with Middle Eastern countries being cesspits isn't a problem with Islam, it's a problem with tribalism.

However, I do think that Islam is amongst the worst religions in terms of friendliness to critical thought and free speech. It lacks the wiggle room of interpretation that allows other religions to adapt with the times.

You know, I don't see a whole lot of 'friendliness to critical thought' among the 'world is 6000 years old', 'evolution is a lie', and 'homosexuality is an evil choice' crowd.

So you see no distinction between fundamentalism Islam and fundamentalism Christianity?

Fundi Christianity PALES in COMPARISON to fundi Islam.


You have good Craig, better than Europe and Asia. Be grateful that the only s**t you have to deal with his silly protests and creationism vs. evolution. And you can respond with any opinion you want.

If you were in Saudi Arabia, any angst would be met with deportation, imprisonment, torture, or disowning from family.

I'll ask you one last time. Spell out clearly what you are trying to argue.

Are you arguing fundamentalist Islam is "worse" then fundamentalist Christianity? If so, in what way are you arguing that it is worse? Are you arguing that Islamic states are repressive because they are Islamic? If so, what is your reasoning? Etc... etc.

SEE PREVIOUS POST

I'm sick of repeating myself.

Check out my response to Craig's babble to. Most of your questions can be answered by simple googlings..

 

[supesman]

Do you know how many people were killed during the Spanish Inquisition? In the thousands, you don't consider that as fundamentalist Christianity?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

SEE PREVIOUS POST

I'm sick of repeating myself.

Check out my response to Craig's babble to. Most of your questions can be answered by simple googlings..

Your previous post is not a coherant argument.

Are you trying to say that speech laws in Saudi Arabia are stricter then in the US? Wow. That's really insightful.

None of my questions to you can be answered by googling, because I'm trying to figure out what YOU are trying to argue. It's a really simple request. You can just write down a couple of statements... number them if it helps. (it would help me). It's much less painful then this stupid back and forth, and it would allow me to intelligently address what you're trying to say.

 

[Noobtastic]

BLAH.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
BLAH.

Maybe you should come back when you're older. You are clearly not mature enough for here.

Considering how mature most of the members are here.... jesus.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: yllus
The issue with Middle Eastern countries being cesspits isn't a problem with Islam, it's a problem with tribalism.

However, I do think that Islam is amongst the worst religions in terms of friendliness to critical thought and free speech. It lacks the wiggle room of interpretation that allows other religions to adapt with the times.

You know, I don't see a whole lot of 'friendliness to critical thought' among the 'world is 6000 years old', 'evolution is a lie', and 'homosexuality is an evil choice' crowd.

So you see no distinction between fundamentalism Islam and fundamentalism Christianity?

That's not what I said. In fact, I wasn't talking to you at all; I made a post to you earlier, which you did not answer.

This was a post to Yllus's post. I wasn't so much disagreeing with his point, as adding another to it. You continue to show your incoherence by putting words in my mouth.

I didn't care to write a post comparing fundamentalist Christians and Muslims overall - but I will note that you can reach warped conclusions with selective use of the evidence.

Here's a hint - which nation invaded another, far away overseas, for highly misguided reasons including the politics of its own leaders, and killed 2 million people there with not only conventional combat but more bombs than dropped in all of WWII, Napalm, and Agent Orange? And yet you don't have anything to say about the implications of the warlike tendencies of the nation that did that, do you?

Want it closer to the Middle East? One war that slightly compares in scope is Iraq's unjustified invasion of Iran, using chemical weapons on their schoolchildren - and Iraq was the secular government, against Iran the fundamentalist Muslim government. Which side was our nation on? Did we increase or end the violence?

You have a severe case of myopia.

Now I'll await your response that I just argued Muslim countries are without flaw.

Edit: you get the Irony of the month award for the phrase 'Craig's babble' coming from you.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
BLAH.

Maybe you should come back when you're older. You are clearly not mature enough for here.

Considering how mature most of the members are here.... jesus.

Oh don't so self-righteous. I've been more than specific in my posts and everyones been sandbagging me with intolerance, bigotry, ignorance, blah blah whatever mumbo jumbo.

I'm stating FACTS. You guys are just better at rationalizing b.s than I am.


Kudos to you.

 

[Noobtastic]

I didn't care to write a post comparing fundamentalist Christians and Muslims overall - but I will note that you can reach warped conclusions with selective use of the evidence.

Oh right.

Here's a hint - which nation invaded another, far away overseas, for highly misguided reasons including the politics of its own leaders, and killed 2 million people there with not only conventional combat but more bombs than dropped in all of WWII, Napalm, and Agent Orange?

Uhh...what war are you referring to?

And we're talking about religious fundamentalism...are you suggesting this nation (I assume ours) did this out of religion?

are you out of your mind?

And yet you don't have anything to say about the implications of the warlike tendencies of the nation that did that, do you?

You're just being retarded.

Want it closer to the Middle East? One war that slightly compares in scope is Iraq's unjustified invasion of Iran, using chemical weapons on their schoolchildren - and Iraq was the secular government, against Iran the fundamentalist Muslim government.

Can you please slow down...what wars you referring to?

"Chemical weapons on their schoolchildren"...that's a little selective. All those countries use chemical weapons on their schoolchildren. Hezbollah shoots rockets at Israeli preschools...whoopdyfriggindoo.

Which side was our nation on? Did we increase or end the violence?

What does this have to do with religious fundamentalism?

You have a severe case of myopia.

ok.

Now I'll await your response that I just argued Muslim countries are without flaw.

Uhhh..ok.

You didn't even approach my points..you just stated a bunch of info about something completely unrelated...


wtf.

 

[Exterous]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic


Can you please slow down...what wars you referring to?

Thank god you know enough about the area to know about the Iran Iraq war

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: Noobtastic


Can you please slow down...what wars you referring to?

Thank god you know enough about the area to know about the Iran Iraq war

I know plenty about the Iran-Iraq war, but the description he gave was rather general and could be applied to other battles.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: Noobtastic


Can you please slow down...what wars you referring to?

Thank god you know enough about the area to know about the Iran Iraq war

I know plenty about the Iran-Iraq war, but the description he gave was rather general and could be applied to other battles.

Really? You mean there was another time that Iraq invaded Iran using chemical weapons where the US backed Iraq while at the same time was covertly supplying arms to Iran, thereby increasing the cost of the conflict to both sides?