The religion of peace...

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: Noobtastic


Can you please slow down...what wars you referring to?

Thank god you know enough about the area to know about the Iran Iraq war

I know plenty about the Iran-Iraq war, but the description he gave was rather general and could be applied to other battles.

Really? You mean there was another time that Iraq invaded Iran using chemical weapons where the US backed Iraq while at the same time was covertly supplying arms to Iran, thereby increasing the cost of the conflict to both sides?

Yeah, what does this have to do with my thread?

Oh right...NOTHING.

 

[ranmaniac]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: Noobtastic


Can you please slow down...what wars you referring to?

Thank god you know enough about the area to know about the Iran Iraq war

I know plenty about the Iran-Iraq war, but the description he gave was rather general and could be applied to other battles.

Really? You mean there was another time that Iraq invaded Iran using chemical weapons where the US backed Iraq while at the same time was covertly supplying arms to Iran, thereby increasing the cost of the conflict to both sides?

Yeah, what does this have to do with my thread?

Oh right...NOTHING.

This thread is about stealth Islamic extremists (The OP?) who's attempting to make people who have grievances about Islam look like idiots.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: ranmaniac

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: Noobtastic


Can you please slow down...what wars you referring to?

Thank god you know enough about the area to know about the Iran Iraq war

I know plenty about the Iran-Iraq war, but the description he gave was rather general and could be applied to other battles.

Really? You mean there was another time that Iraq invaded Iran using chemical weapons where the US backed Iraq while at the same time was covertly supplying arms to Iran, thereby increasing the cost of the conflict to both sides?

Yeah, what does this have to do with my thread?

Oh right...NOTHING.

This thread is about stealth Islamic extremists (The OP?) who's attempting to make people who have grievances about Islam look like idiots.

ohh..no, read op.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: ranmaniac

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: Noobtastic


Can you please slow down...what wars you referring to?

Thank god you know enough about the area to know about the Iran Iraq war

I know plenty about the Iran-Iraq war, but the description he gave was rather general and could be applied to other battles.

Really? You mean there was another time that Iraq invaded Iran using chemical weapons where the US backed Iraq while at the same time was covertly supplying arms to Iran, thereby increasing the cost of the conflict to both sides?

Yeah, what does this have to do with my thread?

Oh right...NOTHING.

This thread is about stealth Islamic extremists (The OP?) who's attempting to make people who have grievances about Islam look like idiots.

I thought it was a display of sheer ignorance and irrational fear of Islam.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: ranmaniac

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: Noobtastic


Can you please slow down...what wars you referring to?

Thank god you know enough about the area to know about the Iran Iraq war

I know plenty about the Iran-Iraq war, but the description he gave was rather general and could be applied to other battles.

Really? You mean there was another time that Iraq invaded Iran using chemical weapons where the US backed Iraq while at the same time was covertly supplying arms to Iran, thereby increasing the cost of the conflict to both sides?

Yeah, what does this have to do with my thread?

Oh right...NOTHING.

This thread is about stealth Islamic extremists (The OP?) who's attempting to make people who have grievances about Islam look like idiots.

I thought it was a display of sheer ignorance and irrational fear of Islam.

Bleh.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
And I have FAR more experience with Islamic radicalism than any of you.

I have 3 Iranian aunts and have been personally affected by islamic radicalism (or my family at least).

Lets see - you[...]

Why is my name there? That's his quote, not mine.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
What a derailed and stupid topic this has become.

As for Islam and Muslims. It?s my feelings that the group as a whole is responsible for removing its radical elements. Failure to do so, on our soil, would require us to pressure them to do so.

You do realise that that would be as stupid as asking the western world to remove GW stationed troops? How the FUCK would the overwhelming majority of Americans that want it done alonge with a shitload of others do that?

Oh, so you are personally responsible for at least tenths of thousands of deaths, if we want to play your game you are, personally, just like bullshit joe muslim is responsible for everything every other muslim does, right.

You are insane, pathetic and insane.

I really do despise you ad everything you stand for and i say that as the Commanding officer of the SAS troops in Afghanistan, i wish you would just get dead because you and those like you are pathetic excuses for human beings.

So, upon self evidence that Islam is fostering violence, you go batshit insane over the suggestion that we pressure Islam to reform and preach peace?

Well, now that you've marked yourself I don't have anything further to add. Feel free to go back and forth with Noob all week long, he seems to be on par with you.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Survey says you should stop phearing teh Muzlims, and start educating yourself. There are millions of Muslims in our country, and they live by and large in total peace amongst us.

Sorry but Fundamental Islam is by far and a way the biggest threat the world has ever known. It is also a given fact that the majority of ?peaceful? Muslim?s will not stand against the radicals but rather with them when push comes to shove.

Do yourself a big favor and go here and either buy or watch this movie and you will be enlightened I assure you;

Obsession


One more thing I heard today and found interesting which is that there are a growing number that now believe the Anti-Christ is not a person at all it is Fundamental Islam.

One more thing about the "millions of Muslims in our country" you should be aware of;

Study Shows 3 Out Of 4 U.S. Mosques Hotbeds Of Anti-West Extremism

The Mapping Sharia in America Project, sponsored by the Washington-based Center for Security Policy, has trained former counterintelligence and counterterrorism agents from the FBI, CIA and U.S. military, who are skilled in Arabic and Urdu, to conduct undercover reconnaissance at some 2,300 mosques and Islamic centers and schools across the country.

?So far of 100 mapped, 75 should be on a watchlist,? an official familiar with the project said.

Many of the Islamic centers are operating under the auspices of the Saudi Arabian government and U.S. front groups for the radical Muslim Brotherhood based in Egypt.

Frank Gaffney, a former Pentagon official who runs the Center for Security Policy, says the results of the survey have not yet been published. But he confirmed that ?the vast majority? are inciting insurrection and jihad through sermons by Saudi-trained imams and anti-Western literature, videos and textbooks.

So it is you that should start educating yourself and fear the threat!

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Socio

One more thing about the "millions of Muslims in our country" you should be aware of;

Study Shows 3 Out Of 4 U.S. Mosques Hotbeds Of Anti-West Extremism

The Mapping Sharia in America Project, sponsored by the Washington-based Center for Security Policy, has trained former counterintelligence and counterterrorism agents from the FBI, CIA and U.S. military, who are skilled in Arabic and Urdu, to conduct undercover reconnaissance at some 2,300 mosques and Islamic centers and schools across the country.

?So far of 100 mapped, 75 should be on a watchlist,? an official familiar with the project said.

Many of the Islamic centers are operating under the auspices of the Saudi Arabian government and U.S. front groups for the radical Muslim Brotherhood based in Egypt.

Frank Gaffney, a former Pentagon official who runs the Center for Security Policy, says the results of the survey have not yet been published. But he confirmed that ?the vast majority? are inciting insurrection and jihad through sermons by Saudi-trained imams and anti-Western literature, videos and textbooks.

So it is you that should start educating yourself and fear the threat!

Shockingly, your "non-partisan" think tank study is a hotbed of partisan neocons. And don't give me that "attacking the messenger" crap. Their motives are suspect, their study criteria vague.

These 'hotbeds' have "incited insurrection and jihad" so effectively among their members that there have been tons of riots and murders and suicide bombings right? Or are they all coordinated and awaiting a signal to begin the mayhem?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is a Washington, D.C. think tank that focuses on national security issues. The Center was founded in 1988 by Frank Gaffney, Jr., a Reagan-era Defense Department official and former aide to the late Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson.

CSP is a non-profit organization and describes itself as non-partisan. However, many of its most prominent members have been characterized as neoconservatives.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Socio

One more thing about the "millions of Muslims in our country" you should be aware of;

Study Shows 3 Out Of 4 U.S. Mosques Hotbeds Of Anti-West Extremism

The Mapping Sharia in America Project, sponsored by the Washington-based Center for Security Policy, has trained former counterintelligence and counterterrorism agents from the FBI, CIA and U.S. military, who are skilled in Arabic and Urdu, to conduct undercover reconnaissance at some 2,300 mosques and Islamic centers and schools across the country.

?So far of 100 mapped, 75 should be on a watchlist,? an official familiar with the project said.

Many of the Islamic centers are operating under the auspices of the Saudi Arabian government and U.S. front groups for the radical Muslim Brotherhood based in Egypt.

Frank Gaffney, a former Pentagon official who runs the Center for Security Policy, says the results of the survey have not yet been published. But he confirmed that ?the vast majority? are inciting insurrection and jihad through sermons by Saudi-trained imams and anti-Western literature, videos and textbooks.

So it is you that should start educating yourself and fear the threat!

Shockingly, your "non-partisan" think tank study is a hotbed of partisan neocons. And don't give me that "attacking the messenger" crap. Their motives are suspect, their study criteria vague.

These 'hotbeds' have "incited insurrection and jihad" so effectively among their members that there have been tons of riots and murders and suicide bombings right? Or are they all coordinated and awaiting a signal to begin the mayhem?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is a Washington, D.C. think tank that focuses on national security issues. The Center was founded in 1988 by Frank Gaffney, Jr., a Reagan-era Defense Department official and former aide to the late Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson.

CSP is a non-profit organization and describes itself as non-partisan. However, many of its most prominent members have been characterized as neoconservatives.

For all the alleged 'anti-war extremism', over the last five years there have been what, zero incidents of violence?

That's pretty remarkable when you think about it - there was some violence by Americans against the Vietnam war, there was violence by anti-globalization protestors, there was violence in the black riots like the Watts riots, violence in (mostly against) the civil rights movement - these people see us without justification waging war and hundreds of thousands of their people being killed in an attempt to dominate the region they're from, you would think a few would be very tempted to act violently in return.

I think it's amazing there has been so little violence. Rather, it's the think tanks like that who are the 'extremists'.

 

[piasabird]

When you go down to the Mosque and they are preaching that Muslims are superior to non-muslims and that you have a right to chop off the heads of infedels, you have crossed the line in preaching treason.

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Robor
I'm not agreeing with Noob in whole or in part but I do think some Islamic laws are pretty whack. Of course it's not just Islam with whack laws, policies, regulations, etc. Just seems they get the most attention these days.

Of course the Sharia laws are whack, we all know that, i doubt you'd find one member of these forum that would disagree with you on that.

But there is a difference between fundamentalist Muslims like he Taliban (who don't folllow any of the Muslim rules at all, raping and pillaging is strictly against Islamic law, still they do it, every day of every week of every month of every year) and the Muslims who want to practice their faith in peace and that is all they want.

So should we fight for those who are peaceul or should we do what Noobtastic suggests and send them to the ovens?

Your dodging facts.

SYRIA, SAUDI ARABIA, INDONESIA, IRAN, EGYPT, and even England and Canada all demonstrate qualities resembling fundamentalism and radicalism.

It's in the schools. It's in the judicial system. It's in the culture.

You can paint it anyway you want but it will always be there. It's been there since the get-go, well before the US even came to be.

Whenever there is a muslim majority, everybody else gets screwed. Please, take a vacation to a muslim country of your choice. See how far that "peace" and "tolerant" b.s you spout goes.

You know what, i give up, i'm IN Afghanistan and have been to all the countries you name, i've been fighting Christians who tried to kill Muslims too, you just turn your head and look the other way, i am not dodging shit, it's just that you are completely wrong, the US and the UK forces are PROTECTING Muslims, that is our job, we do that since there are those out to hurt them, the ones out to hurt them are the minority, these are the people you speak of.

You are one of the fanatics that i am worried about.

When did you go to Afghanistan?

 

[teclis1023]

Dear Noobtastic,

SirJonk and I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that we must rescind your membership in the Hebrew Squad. Please feel free to reapply when you are able to build cogent arguments and support them with factual evidence. Though we occasionally share views on Islam and Islamic violence, we condemn painting an entire people as barbaric.

L'hitraot,

Yakov

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Survey says you should stop phearing teh Muzlims, and start educating yourself. There are millions of Muslims in our country, and they live by and large in total peace amongst us.

Sorry but Fundamental Islam is by far and a way the biggest threat the world has ever known. It is also a given fact that the majority of ?peaceful? Muslim?s will not stand against the radicals but rather with them when push comes to shove.

Do yourself a big favor and go here and either buy or watch this movie and you will be enlightened I assure you;

Obsession


One more thing I heard today and found interesting which is that there are a growing number that now believe the Anti-Christ is not a person at all it is Fundamental Islam.

One more thing about the "millions of Muslims in our country" you should be aware of;

Study Shows 3 Out Of 4 U.S. Mosques Hotbeds Of Anti-West Extremism

The Mapping Sharia in America Project, sponsored by the Washington-based Center for Security Policy, has trained former counterintelligence and counterterrorism agents from the FBI, CIA and U.S. military, who are skilled in Arabic and Urdu, to conduct undercover reconnaissance at some 2,300 mosques and Islamic centers and schools across the country.

?So far of 100 mapped, 75 should be on a watchlist,? an official familiar with the project said.

Many of the Islamic centers are operating under the auspices of the Saudi Arabian government and U.S. front groups for the radical Muslim Brotherhood based in Egypt.

Frank Gaffney, a former Pentagon official who runs the Center for Security Policy, says the results of the survey have not yet been published. But he confirmed that ?the vast majority? are inciting insurrection and jihad through sermons by Saudi-trained imams and anti-Western literature, videos and textbooks.

So it is you that should start educating yourself and fear the threat!

That's a big negative. I've got a much better chance of being killed by a fucking asteroid than an Islamic terrorist. I'm not so worried about asteroids either. Statistically, I'm probably also more likely to be killed while waiting in line for a burger at a local fast food joint. Guess I should just cower in my home.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
BLAH.

Maybe you should come back when you're older. You are clearly not mature enough for here.

Considering how mature most of the members are here.... jesus.

Oh don't so self-righteous. I've been more than specific in my posts and everyones been sandbagging me with intolerance, bigotry, ignorance, blah blah whatever mumbo jumbo.

I'm stating FACTS. You guys are just better at rationalizing b.s than I am.


Kudos to you.

You've done nothing of the sort. Your posts are almost entirely vague insinuation. I think it's very telling that when asked to simply state what you're attempting to argue, you refuse. You spend more time and energy talking trash about not listing what you're trying to argue then it would take you to actually write it.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Socio

One more thing about the "millions of Muslims in our country" you should be aware of;

Study Shows 3 Out Of 4 U.S. Mosques Hotbeds Of Anti-West Extremism

The Mapping Sharia in America Project, sponsored by the Washington-based Center for Security Policy, has trained former counterintelligence and counterterrorism agents from the FBI, CIA and U.S. military, who are skilled in Arabic and Urdu, to conduct undercover reconnaissance at some 2,300 mosques and Islamic centers and schools across the country.

?So far of 100 mapped, 75 should be on a watchlist,? an official familiar with the project said.

Many of the Islamic centers are operating under the auspices of the Saudi Arabian government and U.S. front groups for the radical Muslim Brotherhood based in Egypt.

Frank Gaffney, a former Pentagon official who runs the Center for Security Policy, says the results of the survey have not yet been published. But he confirmed that ?the vast majority? are inciting insurrection and jihad through sermons by Saudi-trained imams and anti-Western literature, videos and textbooks.

So it is you that should start educating yourself and fear the threat!

Shockingly, your "non-partisan" think tank study is a hotbed of partisan neocons. And don't give me that "attacking the messenger" crap. Their motives are suspect, their study criteria vague.

These 'hotbeds' have "incited insurrection and jihad" so effectively among their members that there have been tons of riots and murders and suicide bombings right? Or are they all coordinated and awaiting a signal to begin the mayhem?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is a Washington, D.C. think tank that focuses on national security issues. The Center was founded in 1988 by Frank Gaffney, Jr., a Reagan-era Defense Department official and former aide to the late Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson.

CSP is a non-profit organization and describes itself as non-partisan. However, many of its most prominent members have been characterized as neoconservatives.

For all the alleged 'anti-war extremism', over the last five years there have been what, zero incidents of violence?

That's pretty remarkable when you think about it - there was some violence by Americans against the Vietnam war, there was violence by anti-globalization protestors, there was violence in the black riots like the Watts riots, violence in (mostly against) the civil rights movement - these people see us without justification waging war and hundreds of thousands of their people being killed in an attempt to dominate the region they're from, you would think a few would be very tempted to act violently in return.

I think it's amazing there has been so little violence. Rather, it's the think tanks like that who are the 'extremists'.

Not really amazing at all, the US is different than anywhere else; they are not going to set up roadside bombs, commit assassinations, suicide bombings etc. At least not right now as there is neither in sufficient enough numbers nor enough supporters aiding them to wage that kind of a holy war or jihad. Especially out in the open like they do in the Middle East, North Africa or elsewhere in the world. If they tried they would get their asses handed to them and they know it.

What they are obviously doing is laying the ground work, (instilling hate) for the future when they do have sufficient enough numbers and supporters aiding them.

Here is a piece of a document by the Muslim Brotherhood, the same Muslim Brotherhood that is the biggest Islam supporter in the US.

Muslim Brotherhood's papers detail plan to seize U.S.

The documents ? introduced in recent weeks as part of the prosecution's case in the trial of the now defunct Holy Land Foundation and five of its organizers ? lay out the Brotherhood's plans in chillingly stark terms.

A 1991 strategy paper for the Brotherhood, often referred to as the Ikhwan in Arabic, found in the Virginia home of an unindicted co-conspirator in the case, describes the group's U.S. goals, referred to as a "civilization-jihadist process."

"The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions," it states. This process requires a "mastery of the art of 'coalitions,' the art of 'absorption' and the principles of 'cooperation.' "

Success in the U.S. "in establishing an observant Islamic base with power and effectiveness will be the best support and aid to the global movement," it states.

The fact is Muslims in the US are not all peace love and joy to believe they are is to live in complete denial.

 

[Exterous]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
And I have FAR more experience with Islamic radicalism than any of you.

I have 3 Iranian aunts and have been personally affected by islamic radicalism (or my family at least).

Lets see - you[...]

Why is my name there? That's his quote, not mine.

Sorry I guess my editing skills suck

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Socio

One more thing about the "millions of Muslims in our country" you should be aware of;

Study Shows 3 Out Of 4 U.S. Mosques Hotbeds Of Anti-West Extremism

The Mapping Sharia in America Project, sponsored by the Washington-based Center for Security Policy, has trained former counterintelligence and counterterrorism agents from the FBI, CIA and U.S. military, who are skilled in Arabic and Urdu, to conduct undercover reconnaissance at some 2,300 mosques and Islamic centers and schools across the country.

?So far of 100 mapped, 75 should be on a watchlist,? an official familiar with the project said.

Many of the Islamic centers are operating under the auspices of the Saudi Arabian government and U.S. front groups for the radical Muslim Brotherhood based in Egypt.

Frank Gaffney, a former Pentagon official who runs the Center for Security Policy, says the results of the survey have not yet been published. But he confirmed that ?the vast majority? are inciting insurrection and jihad through sermons by Saudi-trained imams and anti-Western literature, videos and textbooks.

So it is you that should start educating yourself and fear the threat!

Shockingly, your "non-partisan" think tank study is a hotbed of partisan neocons. And don't give me that "attacking the messenger" crap. Their motives are suspect, their study criteria vague.

These 'hotbeds' have "incited insurrection and jihad" so effectively among their members that there have been tons of riots and murders and suicide bombings right? Or are they all coordinated and awaiting a signal to begin the mayhem?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is a Washington, D.C. think tank that focuses on national security issues. The Center was founded in 1988 by Frank Gaffney, Jr., a Reagan-era Defense Department official and former aide to the late Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson.

CSP is a non-profit organization and describes itself as non-partisan. However, many of its most prominent members have been characterized as neoconservatives.

For all the alleged 'anti-war extremism', over the last five years there have been what, zero incidents of violence?

That's pretty remarkable when you think about it - there was some violence by Americans against the Vietnam war, there was violence by anti-globalization protestors, there was violence in the black riots like the Watts riots, violence in (mostly against) the civil rights movement - these people see us without justification waging war and hundreds of thousands of their people being killed in an attempt to dominate the region they're from, you would think a few would be very tempted to act violently in return.

I think it's amazing there has been so little violence. Rather, it's the think tanks like that who are the 'extremists'.

Not really amazing at all, the US is different than anywhere else; they are not going to set up roadside bombs, commit assassinations, suicide bombings etc. At least not right now as there is neither in sufficient enough numbers nor enough supporters aiding them to wage that kind of a holy war or jihad. Especially out in the open like they do in the Middle East, North Africa or elsewhere in the world. If they tried they would get their asses handed to them and they know it.

What they are obviously doing is laying the ground work, (instilling hate) for the future when they do have sufficient enough numbers and supporters aiding them.

Here is a piece of a document by the Muslim Brotherhood, the same Muslim Brotherhood that is the biggest Islam supporter in the US.

Muslim Brotherhood's papers detail plan to seize U.S.

The documents ? introduced in recent weeks as part of the prosecution's case in the trial of the now defunct Holy Land Foundation and five of its organizers ? lay out the Brotherhood's plans in chillingly stark terms.

A 1991 strategy paper for the Brotherhood, often referred to as the Ikhwan in Arabic, found in the Virginia home of an unindicted co-conspirator in the case, describes the group's U.S. goals, referred to as a "civilization-jihadist process."

"The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions," it states. This process requires a "mastery of the art of 'coalitions,' the art of 'absorption' and the principles of 'cooperation.' "

Success in the U.S. "in establishing an observant Islamic base with power and effectiveness will be the best support and aid to the global movement," it states.

The fact is Muslims in the US are not all peace love and joy to believe they are is to live in complete denial.

Why is the number of supporters an issue? It didn't take a legion to do the Oklahoma City bombings. The Unabomber was just some crazy guy in a shack in Montana.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Socio

One more thing about the "millions of Muslims in our country" you should be aware of;

Study Shows 3 Out Of 4 U.S. Mosques Hotbeds Of Anti-West Extremism

The Mapping Sharia in America Project, sponsored by the Washington-based Center for Security Policy, has trained former counterintelligence and counterterrorism agents from the FBI, CIA and U.S. military, who are skilled in Arabic and Urdu, to conduct undercover reconnaissance at some 2,300 mosques and Islamic centers and schools across the country.

?So far of 100 mapped, 75 should be on a watchlist,? an official familiar with the project said.

Many of the Islamic centers are operating under the auspices of the Saudi Arabian government and U.S. front groups for the radical Muslim Brotherhood based in Egypt.

Frank Gaffney, a former Pentagon official who runs the Center for Security Policy, says the results of the survey have not yet been published. But he confirmed that ?the vast majority? are inciting insurrection and jihad through sermons by Saudi-trained imams and anti-Western literature, videos and textbooks.

So it is you that should start educating yourself and fear the threat!

Shockingly, your "non-partisan" think tank study is a hotbed of partisan neocons. And don't give me that "attacking the messenger" crap. Their motives are suspect, their study criteria vague.

These 'hotbeds' have "incited insurrection and jihad" so effectively among their members that there have been tons of riots and murders and suicide bombings right? Or are they all coordinated and awaiting a signal to begin the mayhem?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is a Washington, D.C. think tank that focuses on national security issues. The Center was founded in 1988 by Frank Gaffney, Jr., a Reagan-era Defense Department official and former aide to the late Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson.

CSP is a non-profit organization and describes itself as non-partisan. However, many of its most prominent members have been characterized as neoconservatives.

For all the alleged 'anti-war extremism', over the last five years there have been what, zero incidents of violence?

That's pretty remarkable when you think about it - there was some violence by Americans against the Vietnam war, there was violence by anti-globalization protestors, there was violence in the black riots like the Watts riots, violence in (mostly against) the civil rights movement - these people see us without justification waging war and hundreds of thousands of their people being killed in an attempt to dominate the region they're from, you would think a few would be very tempted to act violently in return.

I think it's amazing there has been so little violence. Rather, it's the think tanks like that who are the 'extremists'.

Not really amazing at all, the US is different than anywhere else; they are not going to set up roadside bombs, commit assassinations, suicide bombings etc. At least not right now as there is neither in sufficient enough numbers nor enough supporters aiding them to wage that kind of a holy war or jihad. Especially out in the open like they do in the Middle East, North Africa or elsewhere in the world. If they tried they would get their asses handed to them and they know it.

What they are obviously doing is laying the ground work, (instilling hate) for the future when they do have sufficient enough numbers and supporters aiding them.

Here is a piece of a document by the Muslim Brotherhood, the same Muslim Brotherhood that is the biggest Islam supporter in the US.

Muslim Brotherhood's papers detail plan to seize U.S.

The documents ? introduced in recent weeks as part of the prosecution's case in the trial of the now defunct Holy Land Foundation and five of its organizers ? lay out the Brotherhood's plans in chillingly stark terms.

A 1991 strategy paper for the Brotherhood, often referred to as the Ikhwan in Arabic, found in the Virginia home of an unindicted co-conspirator in the case, describes the group's U.S. goals, referred to as a "civilization-jihadist process."

"The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions," it states. This process requires a "mastery of the art of 'coalitions,' the art of 'absorption' and the principles of 'cooperation.' "

Success in the U.S. "in establishing an observant Islamic base with power and effectiveness will be the best support and aid to the global movement," it states.

The fact is Muslims in the US are not all peace love and joy to believe they are is to live in complete denial.

Why is the number of supporters an issue? It didn't take a legion to do the Oklahoma City bombings. The Unabomber was just some crazy guy in a shack in Montana.

Why draw unnecessary attention to your cause until you are powerful enough so that any attention you do draw is irrelevant.

Think about it; when they try it i.e. 9/11 we go on a crusade and start stomping mud holes. Would it not be better for them to wait, become elected officials, have elected officials in their pocket, possess major corporate power, media control etc? in sufficient numbers so that when they do there will be enough clout to deflect, dissuade, excuse, or otherwise thwart retaliation allowing them to seize control with the least amount of resistance possible?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Socio

Why draw unnecessary attention to your cause until you are powerful enough so that any attention you do draw is irrelevant.

Think about it; when they try it i.e. 9/11 we go on a crusade and start stomping mud holes. Would it not be better for them to wait, become elected officials, have elected officials in their pocket, possess major corporate power, media control etc? in sufficient numbers so that when they do there will be enough clout to deflect, dissuade, excuse, or otherwise thwart retaliation allowing them to seize control with the least amount of resistance possible?

You should really look into medication. I'm only half joking. The things you keep writing about Muslims and illegal immigrants are seriously paranoid.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Robor
I'm not agreeing with Noob in whole or in part but I do think some Islamic laws are pretty whack. Of course it's not just Islam with whack laws, policies, regulations, etc. Just seems they get the most attention these days.

There are some laws here in the US which are beyond retarded. Like the laws against gays, anal sex or sexual aides that could get your thrown in prison with felony charges placed against you in certain conservative states. While no where near are extreme as other nations in some regard, none the less we do have more then our own skeletons in our closets with stupid laws.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: Socio
....
The fact is Muslims in the US are not all peace love and joy to believe they are is to live in complete denial.

Dude get over your own denials first...seriously get some help, perhaps go outside take a walk in the park, smell the roses...something...and if you happen to pass by a Muslim, say something polite, maybe a Hello or something, I promise you no one will pick up an AK-47 and spray your ass in return!
But in case some Muslim does so, then your paranoia's would have been confirmed beyond any reasonable doubt...I am telling you it would be a Win - Win scenario for everyone

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: Socio
....
The fact is Muslims in the US are not all peace love and joy to believe they are is to live in complete denial.

Dude get over your own denials first...seriously get some help, perhaps go outside take a walk in the park, smell the roses...something...and if you happen to pass by a Muslim, say something polite, maybe a Hello or something, I promise you no one will pick up an AK-47 and spray your ass in return!
But in case some Muslim does so, then your paranoia's would have been confirmed beyond any reasonable doubt...I am telling you it would be a Win - Win scenario for everyone

Typical.

Can't counter FACTS, so you resort to personal attacks.

 

[fskimospy]

So this seems to have turned into a xenophobe/quasi illiterate/crazy person thread.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
So this seems to have turned into a xenophobe/quasi illiterate/crazy person thread.

that's the b.s

xenophobe, intolerance, bigotry, blah blah.

can't approach the problem so you mask it with partisan western free-spirited everybody-has-a-heart craziness.

facts are facts. you can sugar-coat them to your hearts content, but they will always and continue to be FACTS.