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Sultan

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Way to go Sultan. I personally salute you. You are standing by the teachings of your faith as you are understanding them.
Would it be fair to say that you follow the teachings of your faith?
Does this mean that you personally would marry a girl/woman who is at puberty (not before)?
I think intelligence does play some role in the way that you follow the teachings of your faith and use
some form of critical thinking in deciding what is meant by the teachings.
Just because it is stated that males and females can be married at puberty does not mean it is
COMMONPLACE now. I have not said that it is not happening. Not knowing, I would guess that if it does
happen it happens seldomly.

It seems that some of the people involved in this entire thread are about finding wrongs as compared to
their own cultural / religious beliefs. THis thread was started as an attemp to open discussion of Islamic
teachings. Lets not let it denegrate into religious warfare. If you have a problem with the teachings of
a faith, fine! Do not let it become personal!
Do not assume that all teachings are necessarily carried out as written.

"I agree with what Islam says that males and females are eligible to marry at puberty."
An example, just because it says you can be married at puberty does not mean it has to be at puberty.
It could be years afterward, just not before. (Read the word eligible.)

Sultan do you agree?
If you do not, please let me know why.

Thanks for your salute. I follow the teachings as best as I can.

I will marry a girl/woman who I feel compatible with and who is eligible for marriage.

I agree that just because it is stated as such, does not mean it is commonplace now. I never suggested as such.

And lastly, you are absolutely right. Islam says that males and females are eligible to marry at puberty. That does not mean that every Muslim MUST marry at puberty. It means that they cannot marry before puberty.

I agree with your post. I dont know why you seem to believe I differ.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Do Muslims believe that the Quran is a literal book - that everything in it should be taken at face value? Do different sects believe that it should be strictly literal while others see it differently?
Yes, Muslims believe the Quran is a literal word of God.
Which traditions and mores are taken literally from Muslim texts and which ones aren't?

For example, I understand that beards aren't explicitly mentioned anywhere...

There are four sources of Islamic Law: Quran, Sunnah, Ijma, Qiyas (in order).

Sunnah/Hadith are the actions, words spoken by the Prophet (S.A) which expounds the teachings of the Quran and exemplifies the life of a proper Muslim. Since the Prophet (S.A) kept a beard, many Muslims choose to follow his example and do the same. It is not an obligatory act.

Other laws, for example, prohibition of alcohol is explicitly forbidden in the Quran.

If you wish clarifications of other examples, please feel free to ask.
Now, does this apply to all sects of Islam or just one specifically?

Which part? Alcohol or beard? Alcohol's prohibition is explicitly stated in the Quran. No sect differs on it. Some Muslims conform to it, some dont, but thats an issue of conformity, not difference in opinion.

It is good that a Muslim keeps a beard to follow the Sunnah. Some sects place more emphasis on doing the Sunnah, while some place less. In any case, keeping a beard is not obligatory.
Oh no. I'm referring to this: "There are four sources of Islamic Law: Quran, Sunnah, Ijma, Qiyas"

Do all four apply for every branch of Islam?
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Do Muslims believe that the Quran is a literal book - that everything in it should be taken at face value? Do different sects believe that it should be strictly literal while others see it differently?
Yes, Muslims believe the Quran is a literal word of God.
Which traditions and mores are taken literally from Muslim texts and which ones aren't?

For example, I understand that beards aren't explicitly mentioned anywhere...

There are four sources of Islamic Law: Quran, Sunnah, Ijma, Qiyas (in order).

Sunnah/Hadith are the actions, words spoken by the Prophet (S.A) which expounds the teachings of the Quran and exemplifies the life of a proper Muslim. Since the Prophet (S.A) kept a beard, many Muslims choose to follow his example and do the same. It is not an obligatory act.

Other laws, for example, prohibition of alcohol is explicitly forbidden in the Quran.

If you wish clarifications of other examples, please feel free to ask.
Now, does this apply to all sects of Islam or just one specifically?

Which part? Alcohol or beard? Alcohol's prohibition is explicitly stated in the Quran. No sect differs on it. Some Muslims conform to it, some dont, but thats an issue of conformity, not difference in opinion.

It is good that a Muslim keeps a beard to follow the Sunnah. Some sects place more emphasis on doing the Sunnah, while some place less. In any case, keeping a beard is not obligatory.
Oh no. I'm referring to this: "There are four sources of Islamic Law: Quran, Sunnah, Ijma, Qiyas"

Do all four apply for every branch of Islam?

Yes.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Sultan
Way to go Sultan. I personally salute you. You are standing by the teachings of your faith as you are understanding them.
Would it be fair to say that you follow the teachings of your faith?
Does this mean that you personally would marry a girl/woman who is at puberty (not before)?
I think intelligence does play some role in the way that you follow the teachings of your faith and use
some form of critical thinking in deciding what is meant by the teachings.
Just because it is stated that males and females can be married at puberty does not mean it is
COMMONPLACE now. I have not said that it is not happening. Not knowing, I would guess that if it does
happen it happens seldomly.

It seems that some of the people involved in this entire thread are about finding wrongs as compared to
their own cultural / religious beliefs. THis thread was started as an attemp to open discussion of Islamic
teachings. Lets not let it denegrate into religious warfare. If you have a problem with the teachings of
a faith, fine! Do not let it become personal!
Do not assume that all teachings are necessarily carried out as written.

"I agree with what Islam says that males and females are eligible to marry at puberty."
An example, just because it says you can be married at puberty does not mean it has to be at puberty.
It could be years afterward, just not before. (Read the word eligible.)

Sultan do you agree?
If you do not, please let me know why.

Thanks for your salute. I follow the teachings as best as I can.

I will marry a girl/woman who I feel compatible with and who is eligible for marriage.

I agree that just because it is stated as such, does not mean it is commonplace now. I never suggested as such.

And lastly, you are absolutely right. Islam says that males and females are eligible to marry at puberty. That does not mean that every Muslim MUST marry at puberty. It means that they cannot marry before puberty.

I agree with your post. I dont know why you seem to believe I differ.

Sometimes your points are not clear. You said you would kill your son for example if he cheated on his wife. You made it clear you wouldn't do it yourself and that you would let the law (courts) deal with it. You told me this last night in the PM. You also made it seem as if you were agreeing that it is ok for 12 year olds to get married. Now you say only if they are ready for marriage and it is obvious in today's society no 12 year old is ready for marriage. Allah wouldn't make it possible for females to give birth at the young age of 12 if he didn't want them to. However, I'm hoping you agree that those days are long behind us and in today's society anything like that doesn't sound right.
 
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
WOW, so he married the child when she was 6 but waited to consumate the marriage until she was 9?

And this is ok since "girls reach puberty sooner than boys"????????

Ok, Sultan, what is the islamic view on marrying a 6 year old girl and having sex with 9 year olds?

According to my beliefs it would be punishable by a short lifespan in extreme pain.

It was consumated at age 9? Strange, but I guess it would have been a lot more common back in that time.

However, anyone that has sex with a 9 year old today is messed up.

I wonder if Sultan thinks it is OK to have sex with 9 year old girls.
 

Sultan

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Sometimes your points are not clear. You said you would kill your son for example if he cheated on his wife. You made it clear you wouldn't do it yourself and that you would let the law (courts) deal with it. You told me this last night in the PM. You also made it seem as if you were agreeing that it is ok for 12 year olds to get married. Now you say only if they are ready for marriage and it is obvious in today's society no 12 year old is ready for marriage. Allah wouldn't make it possible for females to give birth at the young age of 12 if he didn't want them to. However, I'm hoping you agree that those days are long behind us and in today's society anything like that doesn't sound right.

Sometimes, you're not thinking clearly. The guilt and punishment is handed out by the Islamic court as I said to you in PM, and I said I would not have a problem carrying out the punishment. Does that make it clear to you?

Each girl has a different age of puberty which is measured when she begins her menstrual cycle. The male signs of puberty are facial hair, etc. At puberty, males and females are eligible to marry. God did not set a fixed age for you or anyone to marry.

I dont care what "today's society" says. Today's society makes it acceptable to drink alcohol, cheat on one's girlfriend, etc. Islam says that males and females are eligible to marry at puberty. I believe that.
 

rufruf44

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Originally posted by: Aimster

Sometimes your points are not clear. You said you would kill your son for example if he cheated on his wife. You made it clear you wouldn't do it yourself and that you would let the law (courts) deal with it. You told me this last night in the PM. You also made it seem as if you were agreeing that it is ok for 12 year olds to get married. Now you say only if they are ready for marriage and it is obvious in today's society no 12 year old is ready for marriage. Allah wouldn't make it possible for females to give birth at the young age of 12 if he didn't want them to. However, I'm hoping you agree that those days are long behind us and in today's society anything like that doesn't sound right.

Thats exactly what I felt, a sense ambiguity coming from Sultan. Its as if he's trying to stay within the boundary of Islam, without going against the common sense of today's society, when the two are conflicting against each other.. Islam permit marriage at puberty, who in Aisyah's example is at 9. Now just because this is permittable in Islam, does that mean you as a moslem agree with it or not? A simple yes or no answer will suffice.
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: rufruf44
Originally posted by: Aimster

Sometimes your points are not clear. You said you would kill your son for example if he cheated on his wife. You made it clear you wouldn't do it yourself and that you would let the law (courts) deal with it. You told me this last night in the PM. You also made it seem as if you were agreeing that it is ok for 12 year olds to get married. Now you say only if they are ready for marriage and it is obvious in today's society no 12 year old is ready for marriage. Allah wouldn't make it possible for females to give birth at the young age of 12 if he didn't want them to. However, I'm hoping you agree that those days are long behind us and in today's society anything like that doesn't sound right.

Thats exactly what I felt, a sense ambiguity coming from Sultan. Its as if he's trying to stay within the boundary of Islam, without going against the common sense of today's society, when the two are conflicting against each other.. Islam permit marriage at puberty, who in Aisyah's example is at 9. Now just because this is permittable in Islam, does that mean you as a moslem agree with it or not? A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

Yes, I find no fault in a Muslim woman marrying a Muslim man when they are both eligible to marry, which accorinding to Islam is at puberty. And there is nothing to disagree about the Islamic viewpoint. I dont quite see whats so hard for you to understand? I already said I stand by the Islamic viewpoint.

 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: rufruf44
Originally posted by: Aimster

Sometimes your points are not clear. You said you would kill your son for example if he cheated on his wife. You made it clear you wouldn't do it yourself and that you would let the law (courts) deal with it. You told me this last night in the PM. You also made it seem as if you were agreeing that it is ok for 12 year olds to get married. Now you say only if they are ready for marriage and it is obvious in today's society no 12 year old is ready for marriage. Allah wouldn't make it possible for females to give birth at the young age of 12 if he didn't want them to. However, I'm hoping you agree that those days are long behind us and in today's society anything like that doesn't sound right.

Thats exactly what I felt, a sense ambiguity coming from Sultan. Its as if he's trying to stay within the boundary of Islam, without going against the common sense of today's society, when the two are conflicting against each other.. Islam permit marriage at puberty, who in Aisyah's example is at 9. Now just because this is permittable in Islam, does that mean you as a moslem agree with it or not? A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

No. The youngest I've seen a Muslim get married is at the age of 17-18. That's normal in today's society if you watch Jerry Springer and Muary you will know young people love to throw their life away these days. In a Muslim society it has to do with culture and how you were raised. Where I am from, Iran we do not get married young. In Pakistan/Afghanistan you see a lot of young girls getting married before the age of 20. I believe because the women do not have the freedom they want so they get married to escape (Sultan is going to debate me on this).

By the way Sultan is from Pakistan where I said you see a lot of young girls getting married before the age of 20. His views will differ from mine because we have two different cultures. Cultures that are created from the core of Islam.
 

rufruf44

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Thanks for the clarification. I'm surprised there's a stark different in views despite both being derived from Shiite moslem. (I'm no expert of either Pakistanis or Persian's culture though). Most of my interaction & experience has been with Sunni moslem though and to some extent, they have been more moderate in this issue (more like Aimsteer's stance).
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Yup...it was probably not that uncommon back in the day.

But I guess if you're looking from a perspective of the man being a holy figure then it might be strange.

I'm also curious and it's interesting to see Sultan dodging the question that rufruf44 is asking and seeing Sultan clearly violate some terms of his own faith.
No one is perfect. No one can live up to all the tenets of his faith at every moment. Even the pope, an 84 year old man who has dedicated his life to God, goes to confession every day. Why do you feel the need to point out someone else's shortcomings?
Originally posted by: Sultan
I dont care what "today's society" says. Today's society makes it acceptable to drink alcohol, cheat on one's girlfriend, etc. Islam says that males and females are eligible to marry at puberty. I believe that.
:beer:

I would hardly use today's society to gauge what should be morally acceptable. Ethics and morals should both stand the test of time or else it's likely that they're based on false pretenses.

edit: sorry about using the :beer: - unintentional pun I guess. :thumbsup: instead. :p
 

f95toli

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Aimster: I know of several cases in Sweden where Muslim women married at the age of 16 (which is btw not legal in Sweden, you have to be 18) so it happens. But this has very little to do with religion, it is more a question of culture.

One famous example is Jerry Lee Lewis who married his 13-year old cousin in 1958 and that was legal where he lived AFAIK (Louisiana?)

 

Bumrush99

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Relax with the personal insults towards Sultan. I don't agree with him, but he is telling us what his religion mandates, not what we want to hear.
Judaism has many similarities, everything from stoning men and women who intermarry, to laws forbidding shaving your face with a razor or doing any type of work on the Sabbath. Granted, most Jews have modernized, but if Jews kept every single commandment in the bible, they would be looked down upon like Muslims are today. There are Israeli areas in Jerusalem that can not be driven through on the Sabbath because every car that passes would have rocks thrown at it. Muslims have held on to the literal interpretations/beliefs from Quaran. Many of those ideas are obsolete or just plain wrong in today?s world however, you can not attack Sultan for simply pointing out the truth behind what his scripture mandates.

Aimster, don't worry about Sultan giving a bad name to all Muslims. I would hope that most of the people in these forums are smart enough to realize that to every discussion there are many different viewpoints. If anyone is stupid to lump everything Sultan says as a representation of all Muslims then they already have a bias towards Muslims to begin with.
 

kotss

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from Sultan
I agree with your post. I dont know why you seem to believe I differ.
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I do not believe you differ. I was actually in a way supporting you.
My actual statement said that Just because it is stated that males and females can be married at puberty does not mean it is COMMONPLACE now.

I am saying, I do not believe it is commonplace.

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Does it state anywhere in the Quran, how Islamics are to treat non-Islamics.
What I mean is does it teach patience and understanding?
Does the Quran state that non-Islamics are to be converted to Islam?

Just curious. I do not know.
 

rufruf44

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Relax with the personal insults towards Sultan. I don't agree with him, but he is telling us what his religion mandates, not what we want to hear.
Judaism has many similarities, everything from stoning men and women who intermarry, to laws forbidding shaving your face with a razor or doing any type of work on the Sabbath. Granted, most Jews have modernized, but if Jews kept every single commandment in the bible, they would be looked down upon like Muslims are today. There are Israeli areas in Jerusalem that can not be driven through on the Sabbath because every car that passes would have rocks thrown at it. Muslims have held on to the literal interpretations/beliefs from Quaran. Many of those ideas are obsolete or just plain wrong in today?s world however, you can not attack Sultan for simply pointing out the truth behind what his scripture mandates.

Aimster, don't worry about Sultan giving a bad name to all Muslims. I would hope that most of the people in these forums are smart enough to realize that to every discussion there are many different viewpoints. If anyone is stupid to lump everything Sultan says as a representation of all Muslims then they already have a bias towards Muslims to begin with.


True, but I'm interested on how a typical moslem will react when presented with those so-called "outdated" ideology. Will they side with the strict interpretation of the Quran and implementation of Syariah, or will they share today's view?
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: rufruf44
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Relax with the personal insults towards Sultan. I don't agree with him, but he is telling us what his religion mandates, not what we want to hear.
Judaism has many similarities, everything from stoning men and women who intermarry, to laws forbidding shaving your face with a razor or doing any type of work on the Sabbath. Granted, most Jews have modernized, but if Jews kept every single commandment in the bible, they would be looked down upon like Muslims are today. There are Israeli areas in Jerusalem that can not be driven through on the Sabbath because every car that passes would have rocks thrown at it. Muslims have held on to the literal interpretations/beliefs from Quaran. Many of those ideas are obsolete or just plain wrong in today?s world however, you can not attack Sultan for simply pointing out the truth behind what his scripture mandates.

Aimster, don't worry about Sultan giving a bad name to all Muslims. I would hope that most of the people in these forums are smart enough to realize that to every discussion there are many different viewpoints. If anyone is stupid to lump everything Sultan says as a representation of all Muslims then they already have a bias towards Muslims to begin with.


True, but I'm interested on how a typical moslem will react when presented with those so-called "outdated" ideology. Will they side with the strict interpretation of the Quran and implementation of Syariah, or will they share today's view?

Sultan = Syariah
Aimster = today's views

where there is 1 Sultan there is at least 1 Aimster. 500 Sultans = at least 500 Aimsters
 

rufruf44

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: rufruf44
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Relax with the personal insults towards Sultan. I don't agree with him, but he is telling us what his religion mandates, not what we want to hear.
Judaism has many similarities, everything from stoning men and women who intermarry, to laws forbidding shaving your face with a razor or doing any type of work on the Sabbath. Granted, most Jews have modernized, but if Jews kept every single commandment in the bible, they would be looked down upon like Muslims are today. There are Israeli areas in Jerusalem that can not be driven through on the Sabbath because every car that passes would have rocks thrown at it. Muslims have held on to the literal interpretations/beliefs from Quaran. Many of those ideas are obsolete or just plain wrong in today?s world however, you can not attack Sultan for simply pointing out the truth behind what his scripture mandates.

Aimster, don't worry about Sultan giving a bad name to all Muslims. I would hope that most of the people in these forums are smart enough to realize that to every discussion there are many different viewpoints. If anyone is stupid to lump everything Sultan says as a representation of all Muslims then they already have a bias towards Muslims to begin with.


True, but I'm interested on how a typical moslem will react when presented with those so-called "outdated" ideology. Will they side with the strict interpretation of the Quran and implementation of Syariah, or will they share today's view?

Sultan = Syariah
Aimster = today's views

where there is 1 Sultan there is at least 1 Aimster. 500 Sultans = at least 500 Aimsters

I would imagine that will be the case in country such as USA. But what about in country where Syariah is very prominent, eg: Arab countries?
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: rufruf44
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: rufruf44
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Relax with the personal insults towards Sultan. I don't agree with him, but he is telling us what his religion mandates, not what we want to hear.
Judaism has many similarities, everything from stoning men and women who intermarry, to laws forbidding shaving your face with a razor or doing any type of work on the Sabbath. Granted, most Jews have modernized, but if Jews kept every single commandment in the bible, they would be looked down upon like Muslims are today. There are Israeli areas in Jerusalem that can not be driven through on the Sabbath because every car that passes would have rocks thrown at it. Muslims have held on to the literal interpretations/beliefs from Quaran. Many of those ideas are obsolete or just plain wrong in today?s world however, you can not attack Sultan for simply pointing out the truth behind what his scripture mandates.

Aimster, don't worry about Sultan giving a bad name to all Muslims. I would hope that most of the people in these forums are smart enough to realize that to every discussion there are many different viewpoints. If anyone is stupid to lump everything Sultan says as a representation of all Muslims then they already have a bias towards Muslims to begin with.


True, but I'm interested on how a typical moslem will react when presented with those so-called "outdated" ideology. Will they side with the strict interpretation of the Quran and implementation of Syariah, or will they share today's view?

Sultan = Syariah
Aimster = today's views

where there is 1 Sultan there is at least 1 Aimster. 500 Sultans = at least 500 Aimsters

I would imagine that will be the case in country such as USA. But what about in country where Syariah is very prominent, eg: Arab countries?

Arabs are 18% of the Muslim population. Most people think Arabs account for a large majority. I know Saudi Arabia has these views/values. Other Arab countries might have certain beliefs, but I do not believe they force it on the people like Saudi Arabia does. Even Iraq did not force Islam on the people. I know for example that Jordan has a very open-minded policy on religion. Iran is not an Arab country, but since it is right next to Iraq I will tell you the laws of Iran since I know them.

The reform party passed a bill to raise the minimum age for females to get married to 14 years old. They were hoping for 16 years old, but the hardliners striked down that bill. This doesn't mean a 14 year old can get married just like that. They need to get it approved by the court system. The male has to be 16 years of age to get married and that also needs to get approved by the courts.

Other information:
* Adultery is only punishable by death in these countries: Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen.
* Homoexuality around the world can be punishable with the death penalty in many African and M.E countries.
* 60% of marriages around the world are arranged so there is little choice of partners in most marriages
* China has the world's highest minimum age for men to get married 22 and women at 20 (Just thought I would throw this in).
*In the U.S the minimal age to get married state-by-state varies from 14-21. (I didn't know states existed that would allow it at 14 in the U.S. Thanks google.com)
 

Aimster

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Syria's Law: Syrian law makes a distinction between males and females in regard to marriageable age. Article 16 of the Personal Status Act stipulates: "The age of eligibility for marriage is 18 years in the case of young men and 17 years in the case of young women". Below this age, marriage may be authorized subject to the conditions laid down in article 18 of the Personal Status Act.

Egypt's Law: The minimum age for marriage is set at 18 for males and 16 for females.

UAE Law: Edit: It said Information unavailable not none.

Yemen: The Personal Status Act. Article 15 of this Act sets the minimum age for marriage at 15 years in the case of both males and females. [?]

Saudi Arabia: In the social sphere, the regulations do not define a specific age for marriage, as Islamic law regulates this matter in a manner that ensures happiness for both spouses and prevents the countless social dangers inherent in delaying the age of marriage. In this context, it stipulates that a person wishing to marry must have the capacity therefor. This flexibility in Islamic law helps to close loopholes and safeguard the interests of both parties

Indonesia (largest Muslim country and it is in asia) : Marriage: 16 years for women and 19 years for men, in both cases with the legal consent of the parents, up to the age of 21 (Marriage Act, 1974);

Libya: Article 6 of Act No. 10 of 1984 regulating marriage and divorce and their consequences specifies that a person becomes eligible for marriage on attaining 20 years of age and that the court may, with the consent of the guardian, authorize marriage before that age if it believes it to be advantageous or beneficial.

Turkey: The Civil Code lays down the minimum age for getting married as 18. However, with the consent of the parents, this limit can be 17 years of age for males and 15 years of age for females. Irrespective of these limits, the judge may permit the marriage of a 15-year-old male with a 14-year-old female for important reasons and under exceptional circumstances under article 88 of the Code.

Pakistan: The meaning of "child" for the purposes of marriage is governed by the Child Marriage Restraint Act, 1929 (Annex 7, Appendix XVII). According to this act, a child is a person who, if a male, is under 18 years of age and, if a female is under 16 years of age (sect. 2 (a)). A "child marriage", under the Act, means a marriage any of the contracting parties to which is a child (sect. 2 (b)). The Act aims to ban child marriages. If such a marriage takes place, the parties are to be punished with imprisonment or with fine or with both. Persons performing the contract or directing it are to be punished in the same way.
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Where the marriage of a young girl is arranged by her guardian, she can repudiate the marriage on the attainment of puberty. This provision of Islamic law is called the option of puberty and is incorporated in the Dissolution of Muslim Marriages Act, 1939 (Annex 19) as section 2 (vii) and provides an additional ground to a woman on the basis of which she can have her marriage dissolved
 

Sultan

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Does it state anywhere in the Quran, how Islamics are to treat non-Islamics.
What I mean is does it teach patience and understanding?
Does the Quran state that non-Islamics are to be converted to Islam?

In brief, Islamic law indicates how Muslims should treat non-Muslims. There is no compulsion in religion. The Qur'an (2:256) prescribes religious tolerance by clearly and emphatically stating that there should be no compulsion in religion.

I dont know what you mean by "teach patience and understanding"??

No, the Quran does not state as such. Like other proselytizing religions, Islam invites non-Muslims to understand and accept the faith but in no circumstance is it forced upon them.
 

Sultan

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Sultan = Syariah
Aimster = today's views

where there is 1 Sultan there is at least 1 Aimster. 500 Sultans = at least 500 Aimsters

First, it is spelled Shariah. Shariah is Islamic law. Aimster is correct. I believe in Islamic law.

As for Aimster = today's view, let me quote from another post:

Morality is something to be aspired towards, not shunned, nor should morality be relative to the time in which we live.
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Syria's Law: Syrian law makes a distinction between males and females in regard to marriageable age. Article 16 of the Personal Status Act stipulates: "The age of eligibility for marriage is 18 years in the case of young men and 17 years in the case of young women". Below this age, marriage may be authorized subject to the conditions laid down in article 18 of the Personal Status Act.

Egypt's Law: The minimum age for marriage is set at 18 for males and 16 for females.

UAE Law: Edit: It said Information unavailable not none.

Yemen: The Personal Status Act. Article 15 of this Act sets the minimum age for marriage at 15 years in the case of both males and females. [?]

Saudi Arabia: In the social sphere, the regulations do not define a specific age for marriage, as Islamic law regulates this matter in a manner that ensures happiness for both spouses and prevents the countless social dangers inherent in delaying the age of marriage. In this context, it stipulates that a person wishing to marry must have the capacity therefor. This flexibility in Islamic law helps to close loopholes and safeguard the interests of both parties

Indonesia (largest Muslim country and it is in asia) : Marriage: 16 years for women and 19 years for men, in both cases with the legal consent of the parents, up to the age of 21 (Marriage Act, 1974);

Libya: Article 6 of Act No. 10 of 1984 regulating marriage and divorce and their consequences specifies that a person becomes eligible for marriage on attaining 20 years of age and that the court may, with the consent of the guardian, authorize marriage before that age if it believes it to be advantageous or beneficial.

Turkey: The Civil Code lays down the minimum age for getting married as 18. However, with the consent of the parents, this limit can be 17 years of age for males and 15 years of age for females. Irrespective of these limits, the judge may permit the marriage of a 15-year-old male with a 14-year-old female for important reasons and under exceptional circumstances under article 88 of the Code.

Pakistan: The meaning of "child" for the purposes of marriage is governed by the Child Marriage Restraint Act, 1929 (Annex 7, Appendix XVII). According to this act, a child is a person who, if a male, is under 18 years of age and, if a female is under 16 years of age (sect. 2 (a)). A "child marriage", under the Act, means a marriage any of the contracting parties to which is a child (sect. 2 (b)). The Act aims to ban child marriages. If such a marriage takes place, the parties are to be punished with imprisonment or with fine or with both. Persons performing the contract or directing it are to be punished in the same way.
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Where the marriage of a young girl is arranged by her guardian, she can repudiate the marriage on the attainment of puberty. This provision of Islamic law is called the option of puberty and is incorporated in the Dissolution of Muslim Marriages Act, 1939 (Annex 19) as section 2 (vii) and provides an additional ground to a woman on the basis of which she can have her marriage dissolved

I dont know what Aimster is trying to prove here. From my OP:

I ask the non-Muslims who have issues about the religion to pose civil question regarding the "religious beliefs" and not cultural values and traditions of certain countries which can be vastly different from the teachings of the religion

I meant this thread to serve as a means to understand the Islamic RELIGION, not debate on the cultural and traditional norms of different nations of the world.

Just by the above post, one can adjudge how different cultures have different set of values which may or may not be in accordance with the teachings of Islam.
 

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Originally posted by: rajkanneganti
Hi,

why are there no liberals or left wingers in the islamic world?

coz they have far more other divisions than the liberal/conservative divide :)