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Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Sultan
Can we please keep this thread limited to the topic? Everyone can debate about Iraq or Hitler elsewhere.

Thank you.

Sorry, Sultan. I'll get back on topic.

Thank you.
As you know, you will not succeed at changing the minds of prejudiced people like raildogg, 0roo0roo or RabidMongoose.
I'd rather this thread serves as just for people to learn about the religions.

Yes, we have learned that we cannot change the minds of supports of discrimination, racists, sexists, wanna be child murderers like Sultan.

It is truly hard to eliminate bloodthirst and barbarism from these uneducated and uncivilized brutes like Sultan and Hatim.
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: dszd0g
Originally posted by: Sultan
If two adults commit adultery or fornication, it does not become the state's duty to enforce punishment until the two individuals are proven to have committed such an act. The burden of proof is that 4 witnesses need to see the act occurring; hence, the bar is very, very high. You can understand the burden of proof as meaning that the act of adultery or fornication has influenced at least 4 lives, and therefore needs to be punished.

However, from what I've read the family can murder a female relative for her "honor" crime and get away with it if they suspect here of adultery or premarital sex. In Lebanon, a man is only guilty of committing adultery if the sexual act takes place under his roof and he confesses to it. If he applogoizes for it, he is usually pardoned. Charges against women do not seem to get dropped.

"Medics say honor killings are usually based on rumors and that postmortems often reveal that the vicitim's hymens were intact."

Thanks for looking up numbers. It was quite informative.

What you have read is certainly true. There have been a number of incidents of 'honor killing'. This is NOT part of Islamic Law. The person committing an 'honor killing' is a murderer and should be punished as such.

What happens in Jordon, which I didnt know till you mentioned it, is part of Jordan common law, not Islamic Law. The evidence and the punishment for adultery is as described about.

It is very sad to find such incidences of honor killings in countries of Muslim majority. Hopefully, this will change in the near future.

 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: raildogg
no, i am looking forward to the debate.

I meant was extremist islamists cannot be compared to any faction in any religion, they are a completely different entity. there is no debating that in my opinion.

by the way, some things are as simple as black and white
This is not one of them, end of story.

your opinion. my opinion is different. end of story
Exactly my point. Your opinion is not the 'end of story', nor is mine, so stop trying to portray your opinion as fact.

He does that a lot in here. His opinion is fact.
 

genghislegacy

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Originally posted by: dahunan
I applaud the effort but it seems to me that a few of the Muslims in here are in disagreement with you.. can you accept that?

It would also be impossible to sticky this topic.

agree

 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: genghislegacy
Originally posted by: dahunan
I applaud the effort but it seems to me that a few of the Muslims in here are in disagreement with you.. can you accept that?

It would also be impossible to sticky this topic.

agree

Yes, I can accept that a few Muslims have varied opinions about some of the aspects of Islam. Over the years, different schools of thought have emerged. Yet, the underlying core of the religion cannot be disputed and has not been disputed by any Muslim in this forum.

Any more questions? :)