The Confederate Flag

[TheSlamma]

Just some guy who murdered a bunch of church people in it's image.

And some government folks who want to ban it.

And retailers who are pulling it from their inventory.

And the flag's supporters: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/co...confederate-flag-ban-backlash-bubbles-n380246

But, none of that means anything or matters - since YOU said that no one cares.

You really are a jackass.

Damn you just listed a bunch of people that should be avoided. How can we mark these people so they are easy to see and we can all avoid them in a crowd?

 

[CPA]

Of course it has a strong racist element. That has nothing to do with the problem at hand. The problem we're seeing today is how people are trying to whitewash history and pretend bad things never happened.
apple store removing all civil war games


Meet the new generation of holocaust deniers - slavery deniers. If we ban the confederate flag and destroy all records related to the civil war, that means slavery never happened, right? Germany and Japan are doing quite well with this strategy. Germany acts like the holocaust and WW2 never happened. Games like Wolfenstein are still banned in Germany because they acknowledge the existence of the nazi party and all of the horrible things they did. Japan still acts like it was the victim of WW2. Nanking massacre? Unit 731? What are those? LA LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU

Exactly right, however, looks like Apple has come to their senses and put the games back on.

 

[Spungo]

Sure, it was very much an economic fear tied to slavery, more than it was a "black people are lesser people and should be slaves" (Even though, of course, that was the sentiment), but it was still only ever about slavery.

The big problem with history class doesn't come from a lack of facts about what happened, but a lack of discussion about why things happen.

The civil war, like most wars, was economic. The south was in favor of slavery for economic reasons, and the north was against slavery for economic reasons. They're the same reasons modern Americans are against immigration. It's simple supply and demand. If corporations can import tens of millions of people from China and India to do everything, what happens to wages? They crash. Your wages drop, your work conditions suck, your health benefits are cut, you have no work pension, and you need to work more hours just to pay the rent. How do you compete against free labor? It's impossible. The existence of slavery in the south depresses wages in the north, just as the existence of China drives down wages in America (all of our high paying manufacturing jobs went to China).

The current narrative is that the war was about freeing slaves for humanitarian reasons. It's amazing that anyone actually believes this. We see disgusting working conditions in many countries around the world, but we do absolutely nothing to improve those conditions. We won't do as much as put an import tax on products coming from countries with poor working conditions, but we'll kill almost a million American soldiers to improve the lives of some Africans in the south? How could anyone possibly believe this?

 

[waggy]

I got to admit people are going fucking nuts..

http://townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2015/06/26/memphis-mayor-wants-to-dig-up-dead-confederate-war-general-n2017895


Memphis Mayor A.C. Wharton wants to dig up the bodies of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest and his wife and remove them from a city park



ok first off. not sure about the site never used them. just seemed that or fox so far.

BUT WHAT THE FUCK.

this is getting fucking out of hand..


http://www.localmemphis.com/story/d/story/mayor-wants-forrest-statue-and-burial-plot-moved/21109/7FXcCUnO30y7tsumgTHGHQ

 

[zinfamous]

At the very least, Margaret Sanger should be looked at with a jaundiced eye imo. Read the section on Eugenics and Race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Controversies

You have to go after all of Genetics then as during those years, it was considered the natural progression/application of a burgeoning, very poorly-understood field.

It's a very, very dark part of our history. These were, then, the best minds of the day, in that field, considering eugenics the proper application and perspective for Genetic research.

Hey, at least Watson and Crick (douchenozzles that they were/are) never made any secrets about their profound racism, bigotry, and misogyny. ...and that's something that neither of them ever grew out of.

 

[dank69]

lol at that website...and the fact checking.

....lol.

I like how he uses "started by racism" as a qualifier when that has never been the issue, it was always just "symbols of racism." He had to shoehorn that in there to make his point about PP seem relevant.

 

[OutHouse]

I got to admit people are going fucking nuts..

http://townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2015/06/26/memphis-mayor-wants-to-dig-up-dead-confederate-war-general-n2017895


Memphis Mayor A.C. Wharton wants to dig up the bodies of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest and his wife and remove them from a city park



ok first off. not sure about the site never used them. just seemed that or fox so far.

BUT WHAT THE FUCK.

this is getting fucking out of hand..


http://www.localmemphis.com/story/d/story/mayor-wants-forrest-statue-and-burial-plot-moved/21109/7FXcCUnO30y7tsumgTHGHQ

holy shit that is flat out crazy.

 

[OutHouse]

The current narrative is ....

this news media/corporate buzzword needs to die.

 

[zinfamous]

I got to admit people are going fucking nuts..

http://townhall.com/columnists/todd...-dig-up-dead-confederate-war-general-n2017895


Memphis Mayor A.C. Wharton wants to dig up the bodies of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest and his wife and remove them from a city park



ok first off. not sure about the site never used them. just seemed that or fox so far.

BUT WHAT THE FUCK.

this is getting fucking out of hand..


http://www.localmemphis.com/story/d...urial-plot-moved/21109/7FXcCUnO30y7tsumgTHGHQ

holy shit that is flat out crazy.

eh, why stop there? Let's just go full Italian and put that bitch's corpse on trial!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadaver_Synod


joking aside...I can see a legitimate cause for tearing down a monument for the founder of the KKK. I mean...come the fuck on.

But exhumation? Erasing history won't get you anywhere.

 

[Jhhnn]

The myopia is interesting & expected, I suppose. The Stars & Bars mean different things to different people, obviously. For black Americans, it's a symbol of slavery & Jim Crow.

Everybody knows this, or should, which means those who fly it are oblivious idiots or deliberately offensive to blacks. That's real simple. Figure out the rest from there.

 

[Newell Steamer]

I'm generally fairly patient with folks of your mentality and typically ignore most of the crap, but I just finally got tired of all your recent bullshit and chose to express it here. If you believe that makes me a hack...so be it...I'd expect as much from one with the intellect of a neanderthal.

Trying to justify your thread crapping, eh? Nonetheless, it's thread crapping.

And yet, when someone else does it to you, you are the 1st to scream bloody murder.

Keep up the good work, hypocrite.

Also, there is always the ignore button, but, only raging morons such as yourself have trouble figuring it out. Or, even able to keep up the ignoring - with the good old predictable; "Gee, I wonder what this guy is saying?!"-copy paste of the ignored person.

So fucking sad,...

 

[Newell Steamer]

And, here is Mississippi's declaration of secession; http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_missec.asp

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

Let me guess, slavery in America wasn't racist?

 

[DrDoug]

eh, why stop there? Let's just go full Italian and put that bitch's corpse on trial!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadaver_Synod


joking aside...I can see a legitimate cause for tearing down a monument for the founder of the KKK. I mean...come the fuck on.

But exhumation? Erasing history won't get you anywhere.

If they are buried in a public park, just pull down the headstones and put up some memorial restrooms in their place.

Problem solved! :biggrin:

 

[Nebor]

It's a symbol of a bunch of traitors that eschewed democracy when it didn't work the way they wanted and took up arms against the United States.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Why do people align themselves with Che Guevara? Che was a serial rapist. This is a very widely known fact, and people celebrate it for some reason. When feminists talk about rape culture, they're talking about the idiots wearing Che shirts and hanging Che posters.

Proof? I've never heard of this before, and Googling turns up one book which apparently supports that claim using unpublished diaries and whatnot, but I can't find any direct citations online.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So fucking sad,...

Yes, it is.

 

[Phokus]

Interesting history about the confederate flag... the flag we know as the confederate flag wasn't technically ever the confederate flag, officially.

http://youtu.be/ULBCuHIpNgU


It changed several times, but to show you how racist the confederacy was, one of the iterations stuck the navy jack in the corner and made the rest of the flag white... their reason? Read below:

By 1863, the Army of Northern Virginia's square battle flag was so popular among the Confederacy that it was incorporated into the upper left corner of the new flag. The white rectangle symbolizes the "supremacy of the white man," according to William T. Thompson, the flag's designer. "As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race," Thompson wrote. The second flag faced criticism for being too white, with complaints that it could be mistaken for a truce sign in battle.

They only changed it because white was the universal symbol of surrender so it was confusing.

So basically fuck anyone still defending the 'symbolism' of the flag.

 

[theeedude]

I got to admit people are going fucking nuts..

http://townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2015/06/26/memphis-mayor-wants-to-dig-up-dead-confederate-war-general-n2017895


Memphis Mayor A.C. Wharton wants to dig up the bodies of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest and his wife and remove them from a city park



ok first off. not sure about the site never used them. just seemed that or fox so far.

BUT WHAT THE FUCK.

this is getting fucking out of hand..


http://www.localmemphis.com/story/d/story/mayor-wants-forrest-statue-and-burial-plot-moved/21109/7FXcCUnO30y7tsumgTHGHQ

It's a good idea, IMO. He has a place in history, but not a place of honor that deserves a monument.
Seems like he was a slave trader, a war criminal, and a klansman. Why should any city, but especially one that's 60%+ African American, keep a monument to him and pay to maintain it with their taxes? Just because he was a general in rebel army that fought to keep their ancestors enslaved?
It's not his original place of burial anyways, so he should be relocated to a private cemetery, and if a private society wants to house the monument to him, that's fine by me. But to impose it on the people of Memphis is what's really nuts.

 

[Victorian Gray]

At the very least, Margaret Sanger should be looked at with a jaundiced eye imo. Read the section on Eugenics and Race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Controversies

7 Beloved Famous People Who Were Wildly Pro-Eugenics

"While the term "eugenics" is typically applied to Hitler's Germany, it was in the United States where eugenics also found great acceptance. Even Hitler once said, "There is today one state in which at least weak beginnings toward a better conception are noticeable. Of course, it is not our model German Republic, but the United States."

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/matthew-archbold/7-beloved-famous-people-who-were-wildly-pro-eugenics

Don't care to read the article, here are the names:

Winston Churchill
Teddy Roosevelt
Helen Keller
H.G. Wells
George Bernard Shaw
Francis Crick
Alexander Graham Bell

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

7 Beloved Famous People Who Were Wildly Pro-Eugenics

"While the term "eugenics" is typically applied to Hitler's Germany, it was in the United States where eugenics also found great acceptance. Even Hitler once said, "There is today one state in which at least weak beginnings toward a better conception are noticeable. Of course, it is not our model German Republic, but the United States."

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/matthew-archbold/7-beloved-famous-people-who-were-wildly-pro-eugenics

Don't care to read the article, here are the names:

Winston Churchill
Teddy Roosevelt
Helen Keller
H.G. Wells
George Bernard Shaw
Francis Crick
Alexander Graham Bell

Here's the $64 question....is it just to judge these people by today's moral standards?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Here's the $64 question....is it just to judge these people by today's moral standards?

You seem to think so, otherwise, why bring up Sanger?

 

[waggy]

It's a good idea, IMO. He has a place in history, but not a place of honor that deserves a monument.
Seems like he was a slave trader, a war criminal, and a klansman. Why should any city, but especially one that's 60%+ African American, keep a monument to him and pay to maintain it with their taxes? Just because he was a general in rebel army that fought to keep their ancestors enslaved?
It's not his original place of burial anyways, so he should be relocated to a private cemetery, and if a private society wants to house the monument to him, that's fine by me. But to impose it on the people of Memphis is what's really nuts.

lol that's fucking nuts.

PCism has run crazy., Anytime i start talking about digging people up you really need to stop and ask if that is needed LOL

 

[Victorian Gray]

btw, the Cornerstone Speech given by the Confederate VP, Stephens might be of interest to some.

For example, this passage:

"The new Constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists among us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/

 

[Knowing]

There is no right not to be offended.

How many times must we cover this?

EDIT: The people playing the game with historical figures in the modern day should read the Lincoln Douglass debates.

 

[zinfamous]

Here's the $64 question....is it just to judge these people by today's moral standards?

You seem to think so, otherwise, why bring up Sanger?

exactly.