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The Confederate Flag

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The Confederate Flag Is,...

  • a symbol of racism.

  • a symbol of freedom.

  • a symbol that was once racist, but now no longer is.

  • I am a raging moron.

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Hugo Drax said:
So if private companies would ban watching Cosby show you would be okay with it? I mean if its okay to ban Dukes of hazard then you need to be okay with banning Cosby show?

I never understood why people are okay with banning something that they do not agree with "Dukes of Hazard"

Seriously Dukes of Hazard? Shit whats next burning all the Gone with the wind books and film?

Are you really okay with this?

First of all I am not a "Con" whatever that means.
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Choosing not to air and banning are not the same thing. Choosing not to air the Dukes of Hazard is silly*, but is not banning the Dukes of Hazard. People seem to have difficulty understanding the difference between state action and private action. As for as the Cosby Show, it should have died the day Lisa Bonet left.



* I never thought the day would come when I would speak up for the Dukes of Hazard but mysterious and weird are the ways of the post-enlightenment world.
 
Hugo Drax said:
So if private companies would ban watching Cosby show you would be okay with it? I mean if its okay to ban Dukes of hazard then you need to be okay with banning Cosby show?

I never understood why people are okay with banning something that they do not agree with "Dukes of Hazard"

Seriously Dukes of Hazard? Shit whats next burning all the Gone with the wind books and film?

Are you really okay with this?

First of all I am not a "Con" whatever that means.
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Banned from watching? Not.

If you need a fix that bad, purchase and watch to your heart's content:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_sc_0_15/175-2623313-8687541?url=search-alias%3Dmovies-tv&field-keywords=dukes+of+hazzard&sprefix=dukes+of+hazard%2Caps%2C214
 
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I see the confederate flag, the flag of a terrorist organization, as being a symbol of rebellion. It is a symbol of "fuck you". It is both a symbol of racism, as well as a symbol of free speech. Personally, I think its in very poor taste to display it on public buildings. It diminishes the meaning of the flag. It also disrespects people. People should be free to hang them up on their flag poles in their yards, but they shouldn't be permanently displayed on public land other than maybe museums... Of course, If they will hang up the flags for all other terrorist organizations as well, then, I am OK with it. But, its not fair to ISIL and Albert Queda if they dont get to have their flags up next to the confederate flag.
 
Hugo Drax said:
So now Americans are okay with censorship. This is why America is doomed.
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I find it interesting that those who purport to be all about the Constitution and Bill of Rights have no idea what the words in them mean. Same thing about the free market, they are all for it but when a business makes a decision they don't like then they drag the Constitution and Bill of Rights into it...lol!

This is why America is doomed. :biggrin:
 
Are people really this stupid that they don't understand the difference between the government censoring itself and the government censoring it's citizens? It's already pretty fucking clear they don't understand how a free market works.


The right has got to have the largest group of idiots of any group I've ever seen!
 
nickqt said:
Learn what "banning" and "censorship" mean, first off.

Private companies ban things all the time. Are you able to buy Kroger brand items in a Walmart? No. Is that a "ban"? Nope.

A private company has decided not to provide a service or good.

You're perfectly able to go watch the Cosby show or Dukes of Hazzard elsewhere. There has been no law banning it or censoring it. No one is going to arrest you for watching it. No one is going to confiscate your DVDs of either show. You are not prohibited from selling Cosby show or Dukes of Hazzard shows, memorabilia, etc.

And that extends to the American Swastika. If you want to buy one and wave it around, go for it. I heard there's even a rally to support the flag in SC here soon. You're perfectly able to go join it with your own flag and a trunk full of Dukes of Hazzard DVDs.
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You still do not get it.

Are you okay if all media companies decide never to air lets say black sitcoms and pull all stock of any black sitcom on DVD etc.. And then they use DCMA process to take down any black sitcoms from youtube etc..

Would you be fine with the above scenario? Obviously you do not consider it any kind of censorship or ban since its not the government.
 
Victorian Gray said:
I was under the impression that you support free enterprise. Apparently I was wrong.
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We don't have a true free enterprise system in the US. since the "Government" and enterprise are entwined via regulatory capture and lobbyists working hand in hand with congress.
 
Hugo Drax said:
You still do not get it.

Are you okay if all media companies decide never to air lets say black sitcoms and pull all stock of any black sitcom on DVD etc.. And then they use DCMA process to take down any black sitcoms from youtube etc..

Would you be fine with the above scenario? Obviously you do not consider it any kind of censorship or ban since its not the government.
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All media companies decide not to air certain things all the time.

Let's say I'm upset about it. What, exactly, do you propose people do? Petition the government to force the businesses to air those shows they aren't airing?
 
DrDoug said:
I find it interesting that those who purport to be all about the Constitution and Bill of Rights have no idea what the words in them mean. Same thing about the free market, they are all for it but when a business makes a decision they don't like then they drag the Constitution and Bill of Rights into it...lol!

This is why America is doomed. :biggrin:
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America is doomed because of you.

Here is how you react.

#1 some white dude goes crazy, kills 6 black people.

#2 Americans, panic and go on a "Social media" campaign. (Not like you really give a rats ass about african americans, but here comes the opportunity to rage about some injustice on the internet from your desk)

#3 The cause of the 6 deaths is determined to be due to some stupid confederate flag.

#4 More social outrage and twittercaust, facebookcaust about this dumb flag.

#5 now panic ensues and everything that has a confederate flag has to be destroyed or censored.

#6 Millennials feel satiated now that they fixed the problem.

#7 The baby gets thrown out of the water.


The funny thing is these millennial will shit bricks if a few blacks start moving into their white neighborhoods.

So censoring all kinds of shit, burning any book or removing from stores anything that might offend is acceptable and not "Censorship or ban" because its not the government doing it, its private companies catering to the minority "Social justice warriors".



you know what, you solved nothing. oh wow, you got some stupid show "Dukes of hazzard" pulled from tv. You can pat yourself on the back for such a great victory.


Now we have a serious issue going on, the TPP. Yet where is the OWS crowd? Where is the social media coverage or news coverage? pretty light I say. I dont see big protests. Its your future and your busy with petty shit to even care about it.


I bet you ask any millennial what TPP is and they probably think its some new drug, ask them about the confederate flag and it will probably be a 2 hour discussion on how this flag and anything that has it needs to be wiped out from american history and any media.
 
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I suggest to anyone who feels so strongly about the pride and tradition they feel in that flag, that to bravely and proudly display the rebellious behavior that flag represents, they buy a piece of property smack dab in the middle of an predominantly African American neighborhood, build a nice expensive house on it, buy two really nice expensive euro cars, park it in front of their casa del extravagan'ce and then erect a 50 ft. flag pole in their front yard (local statutes permitting, of course) and raise a 20x25 foot Stars 'n Bars on it while blasting a loop recording of "Look Away Dixieland" on their mega bucks in-house component stereo and entertainment center.

I will help pay for the down payment and any damages that might occur for the privilege of having a long couch and bar set up across the street for me and my friends to watch over the property from.
 
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CU said:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/02/politics/confederate-flag-poll-racism-southern-pride/index.html

Looks like I am with the majority. Really thought it might have been the other way around.
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Yup. You are with all the other white people who are telling black Americans what they should and shouldn't find racist.

Among African-Americans, 72% see the Confederate flag as a symbol of racism, just 25% of whites agree. In the South, the racial divide is even broader. While 75% of Southern whites describe the flag as a symbol of pride and 18% call it a symbol of racism, those figures are almost exactly reversed among Southern African-Americans, with just 11% seeing it as a sign of pride and 75% viewing it as a symbol of racism.
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MomentsofSanity said:
Yup. You are with all the other white people who are telling black Americans what they should and shouldn't find racist.
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No, I am with the majority of Americans they polled. If we want to be one, stop splitting it up by race or whatever. I am also not telling them how to feel about it. I am telling them how I feel about it. Big difference. I understand some people find it offensive. Symbols mean different things to different people. Pretty much everything offends somebody somewhere. I am sure anytime the victims of the recent murder see that flag they think of the ones they lost. They probably think of them any time they see a skinny white guy with that haircut also. The question is how many have to find something offensive before something is done? 5, 10, 25 percent, or does it have to cross 50 percent?
 
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