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Aikouka
Lifer
You know, even after last night, I have to say that I still really do not like healing Magister's Terrace. I can heal heroics and normals just fine, but my god is that instance a pain. It may just be another case of the group make-up though. This time we had a druid tank, druid dps (after I talked about never seeing one... too bad it wasn't a warrior tank though! 😛), arcane mage, warlock and myself. The two druids and the mage were all PVP geared, which doesn't matter too much to an extent as a lot of the damage seems to come from magic effects/spells anyway 😛.
But I found myself dying quite often in the run, which one was my fault and actually caused a group wipe (backing up to get away from the "hot zone" into another group = bad 😛), but for the most part, once I realized my health was low, there wasn't much I could do (6k HP ftw). Then there's not having Circle of Healing which would be nice on certain bosses like Vexallus when he's almost dead and doing tons of damage to everyone. I might just need to PW:S myself right before he hits 20% and start Prayer of Healing a second or so ahead or something like that.
I did get the ring last night off Kael after wiping for a bit. It seems our ranged had problems with the phoenix. I remember the lock literally dying before I could really do anything about it. The mage being arcane did actually end up being nice as he just casted Slow on the phoenix. Any comments on the ring though? I'm not sure if I should throw that +22 healing gem in it or just save it for something else. 'Cause I'm thinking Mender's Heart-Ring and Violet Signet of the Grand Restorer would be better, so I shouldn't waste a nice gem when I'll end up replacing it relatively quickly. I also don't want to put it in Whitemend or Primal Mooncloth, because I'm looking to replace them with something that actually has stamina (tired of dying =\).
See, told you all along! 😛
But I found myself dying quite often in the run, which one was my fault and actually caused a group wipe (backing up to get away from the "hot zone" into another group = bad 😛), but for the most part, once I realized my health was low, there wasn't much I could do (6k HP ftw). Then there's not having Circle of Healing which would be nice on certain bosses like Vexallus when he's almost dead and doing tons of damage to everyone. I might just need to PW:S myself right before he hits 20% and start Prayer of Healing a second or so ahead or something like that.
I did get the ring last night off Kael after wiping for a bit. It seems our ranged had problems with the phoenix. I remember the lock literally dying before I could really do anything about it. The mage being arcane did actually end up being nice as he just casted Slow on the phoenix. Any comments on the ring though? I'm not sure if I should throw that +22 healing gem in it or just save it for something else. 'Cause I'm thinking Mender's Heart-Ring and Violet Signet of the Grand Restorer would be better, so I shouldn't waste a nice gem when I'll end up replacing it relatively quickly. I also don't want to put it in Whitemend or Primal Mooncloth, because I'm looking to replace them with something that actually has stamina (tired of dying =\).
See, told you all along! 😛
Anubis
No Lifer
i dont know what ring you are talking about
and the instance IMO is pretty easy even on heroic, we had a shadow priest in healing gear heal it yesterday, 3rd boss of the only hickup in there
finially got my t^ healm last night, lol finially no more spellstrike and no more welfair wings
and the instance IMO is pretty easy even on heroic, we had a shadow priest in healing gear heal it yesterday, 3rd boss of the only hickup in there
finially got my t^ healm last night, lol finially no more spellstrike and no more welfair wings
Aikouka
Lifer
Kharma's Ring of Fate
Can't heal when you're dead... excluding Spirit of Raid-wipe. Heh, I died on the 3rd boss in there too. Stupid warrior wouldn't get off me =\. I love how someone said there's no threat table in that fight when there is, you just can't taunt >_>. Also, I don't know if you can talk about how hard it is when you're doing it with magnitudes of better gear than I have or even my group-mates have. Selin would be a joke if the crystals died faster as he wouldn't have any mana to AoE the hell out of us with. Vexellus would die faster when he hits his unstable phase (I still don't know why people don't engage right after the last pull and use the buff to their advantage =\). Delrissa... well, getting rid of the mobs faster = easier 😛. Kael is just easy if you have good phoenix control and of course nice DPS during Gravity Lapse makes it easy too. If I grouped with a bunch of T5/T6 people, I could take a nap =x.
Aikouka
Lifer
Locks get more stamina. My 64 lock has around 5000 hp right now and he's in greens and such (with no +stamina talents). Also, some of my gear lacks +stamina, because the lower level healing gear or stuff you can get tends to spend those points elsewhere and only includes intellect, spirit or both (among +healing, etc).
Anubis
No Lifer
yea PMC is great if you never take damage, its like FSW and spellstrike, great damage, no stam t% and T6 is where the stam starts pileing on, my t6 gloves have more stam on them then the season 3 gloves
as for the ring its nice id prob use it depending on what you have, but its def T5 quality
as for the ring its nice id prob use it depending on what you have, but its def T5 quality
Aikouka
Lifer
From what I can see though...
http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=28661 + http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=29290 might be better overall. It's not really about using the ring, it's about how worthwhile is the ring compared to easy-to-get upgrades because I got that free +22 healing gem and that ring from Kael has a red gem slot in it.
http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=28661 + http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=29290 might be better overall. It's not really about using the ring, it's about how worthwhile is the ring compared to easy-to-get upgrades because I got that free +22 healing gem and that ring from Kael has a red gem slot in it.
Eh...it's easy but it isn't. Here is the thing about MT. It is easy if you have raid experience. Not just because of the gear, but the ability to handle certain challenges in an encounter will be very difficult for your average 5 man with little to no raid experience.
The 3rd boss is the most chaotic fight in a 5 man. Taking them on Arena style is the best way I have found to do it and that is something your average 5 man PUG does not know how to do well. Kael in MT is easily the most complex 5 man fight in the game. It is easy for raiders because they have experienced similar challenges in the past but non raiders have not. Non raiders have to deal with the dps switching targets to the birds quick and killing the eggs while kiting. The healer need to concentrate on healing many people whose hp can go down fast. They have to deal with the gravity mechanic too. If on heroic, they have to switch targets and DPS fast enough before Kael pops his shield and burns the tank. On top of that, the second boss is a bitch to heal if you only have one healer and it isn't a druid and shaman.
Don't get me wrong, it will become simple for everyone soon enough, but the learning curve for non raiders is much greater than any 5 man I have seen.
I haven't posted in this thread for several days now, but I will update by saying my guild killed Najentus and Supremus for the first time on Monday. They are push overs for the most part but it was nice to kill them. Shade is next for us. I imagine we will take him on this Monday. I hear he is easy too, but as usual I will ask for any tips which might lessen the learning curve.
Also, does anyone know anything about the diminishing returns when it comes to druid stats? I briefly tried to find info on them but I couldn't find what I was looking for. Specifically, I am trying to find out when the diminishing returns start for healing, spirit, and MP5.
Fingolfin269
Lifer
Check out elitist jerks. I've found quite a bit of great, class specific, information on that site (typically backed up with facts! 😛)
Anubis
No Lifer
everyone complains about the 2nd boss, ive never done it with a druid or shaman healer and we have never lost more then one person, again this is prob gear related as having a 4/5 T6 paly heal it might be a bit much
my brother has done it on his warrior and our SP neither of which has any raid gear other then some random kara parts and he has not complained,
after he did kael he thought it was sweet that it was just like the kael in TK
my brother has done it on his warrior and our SP neither of which has any raid gear other then some random kara parts and he has not complained,
after he did kael he thought it was sweet that it was just like the kael in TK
exdeath
Lifer
Insist that everyone wear their violet badge for that fight (stam+arcane resist). Makes it a little easier to manage.
I'm sitting at 2300 +healing with 3k flash crits and 8k holy light crits and that fight pisses me off. Someone ALWAYS manages to die.
If it takes me 1.75 seconds to cast a holy light (taking care to bring lights grace and T5 bonus both up before phase 2 hits) it takes around 9-10 seconds (padding for latency) to heal the entire group to full. Yet they all go down to 10-20% in like the blink of an eye and continue to sustain damage at that rate. At most there is time to heal the tank and one other person, and the other 3 just die almost instantly...
@#$@$ ridiculous.
And we are talking with dps that all have 10k health and 1000+ dps (even had our almost 2000 dps fury warrior in there for a run). All the other bosses are a walk in the park, but Vexallus can eat kawk. I'd rather pug Vashj, I hate him that much.
Next heroic I run I'm gonna bring our best lock and just have him eat all the debuffs and lifetap the whole fight since the debuffs also buff lifetap.
violet badge? my account got hacked and they merchanted all stuff that wasn't equipped then sold my char.
I was able to do a password reset and get it back, but didnt petition because i didnt want my account locked for a long time. This happened 2-3 months ago. How would I go about getting that badge back?
I was able to do a password reset and get it back, but didnt petition because i didnt want my account locked for a long time. This happened 2-3 months ago. How would I go about getting that badge back?
Aikouka
Lifer
I think it might be easier if I started pre-healing (i.e. instead of being reactive, being proactive). But this isn't easy unless your group has coordinated properly and has set up roles. For example, when doing the mana wyrms, two of the people in my group started doing AoE and both pulled some aggro. Thing is, I couldn't heal either of them enough to keep them both alive as they took 1000+ damage each second. If I were a pally, I would've just BoP'd one and healed the other, but that's obviously not an option 😛. In that case, it is much easier for the group to have a single AoE'er or at least one that wants to get all the aggro and have me heal them (and possibly an off-healer to help as it doesn't hurt to overheal a little).
One other idea that I had which was pretty much ignored is that a lot of the pulls we lacked CC for. Well, frankly, I'm just the healer, but almost every group has a healing humanoid mob in it. My idea was to just mind control the healing mob (Blood Knight or Physician) and use their spells instead. The Blood Knight's heal heals from 10,000 to 16,000 depending on which one and it takes 2 seconds to cast... I think that's a tad bit better than my flash heal and as long as I can stay out of LoS of the Glaives, I should be fine. The Physicians would be a little bit harder to use because they only have Prayer of Mending.
Because of the incredibly high humanoid count of Magister's Terrace, I wonder if it's possible for shadow priests to solo this (to an extent... bosses wouldn't be so pretty) like I used to do to Scholomance because of the high humanoid count.
This fight is so much different depending on how much CC you have for the fight. Also, ensuring that your group is focus firing is a huge thing and not allowing the healer to die (like I did... thankfully the druid had a b. rez 😛)
You know, I think it's really not that bad if you get used to the orbs and your party members that will control the Phoenix are used to it. My first time on Kael, the biggest problem I had was my own positioning, because I kept having to avoid the phoenix, which wasn't being controlled well, and because of that, I couldn't heal and well... you know how that goes. I found myself simply standing in the "lower room" kind of in the corner. I could move forward and see most of the "upper room" too. The Phoenix spawns in the middle of the lower room, so I could easily fade if I caught healing aggro before it even got close to me.
I found that this is yet another case of necessary pre-healing. Once he started casting Gravity Lapse, I started throwing renews up. The hardest part of Gravity Lapse is knowing where everyone is. The second lock that we got after the first one left sat behind Kael using Drain Life on him, so he was pretty much alright, but I still wanted to keep a renew on him. Moving around was a lot easier after my first try on Phase 2 as I was pretty much used to the orbs and the speed at which I moved.
I think another problem that I have is my UI positioning. My own health bar is at the bottom center of my screen, which is fine for soloing, but as a healer, my eyes are literally fixed on the top left, where my party bars are. Because of this, I rarely ever see my own health, which is a problem. I also need to set up some better bindings and completely rearrange my bars. I need to look into Bartender3's options for creating "bar sets" so I can switch between 100% healing and something like offensive (when I'm oot and aboot by myself in the world) and maybe even a PVP one (related to offensive in a way). This will help me as spells like Binding Heal and Dispel Magic are on my top bar right now and my top bar keys are not bound, so they require me to move my mouse down to click and then back up to select another player (too lazy to remember the position of the player, so I can't use F2-F5, which would be like reversing the typical scenario of click player + push spell button to push player button + click spell)
I usually have a problem at the end when I'm trying to keep everyone alive through the tons of damage. If I had CoH, it would be pretty easy as CoH is instant cast and probably heals as much as the amount of damage being put out. But I don't know if I want to drop Divine Spirit (and Improved Divine Spirit).
Aikouka
Lifer
CoH is worthless in most situations. I've actually found no need for it other than Magister's Terrace which seems to have an ass ton of AoE damage on every boss. In that case, the +mana talent is superior to the bottom holy talents. Not to mention I also get a ton of -mana and -threat talents which most holy-centric builds don't provide and are superior for 5 man runs.
http://www.wowdb.com/talent.as...fe3f2ef5e3fe3fef2e2f29
That's my priest's build.
I'm going to disagree. Used properly, CoH is completely awesome, and if you hit three people or more, it's as efficient as a flash heal or lower rank gheal. It just all depends on the situation. There's a good post on EJ about it that I can't get to right now that details CoH quite nicely.
Mana isn't so much of an issue now, especially with our regen, so the +mana talents to me take a backseat. And -threat is negligable, you'll never out-threat a good tank minus bloodboil possibly.
Not to say Imp DS is not worth it (especially with the 2.4 spirit changes), but when I specced DS for Kalecgos I missed CoH so much that I specced right back into it.
Mana isn't so much of an issue now, especially with our regen, so the +mana talents to me take a backseat. And -threat is negligable, you'll never out-threat a good tank minus bloodboil possibly.
Not to say Imp DS is not worth it (especially with the 2.4 spirit changes), but when I specced DS for Kalecgos I missed CoH so much that I specced right back into it.
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