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rh71

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Originally posted by: AntiFreze
Originally posted by: Beev
Heh, a quick clear of Kara is like, an hour and a half (so I hear).

hour and a 1/2... thats awesome. I'm impressed when we can do it in 3.5 hours. and thats with 10 (4/6)SSC/(3/4)TK geared people.

Pugged and done in 2.5 hours which did include 2 stupid wipes. It's more about competent people than great gear imo. Oh and having 2 feral drood tanks rule because they dps too.

What are feral druid tank's weaknesses?
 

Glayde

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Originally posted by: Aikouka


Well, they did technically post it on March 31 :p. I haven't seen them get any world firsts yet which isn't like them... so not sure what's going on :eek:.


Firsts before KJ are somewhat meaningless.
 

Aikouka

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Question about some of the mobs in Magister's Terrace... the ones that throw the glaives... should they be tanked facing away from the group or will the glaive hit the group anyway? I kept getting hit by them and was not exactly enjoying it :p.

Also, it really shows me how much worse it is when the leader of your group (originally me but ya usually toss it to the tank anyway) doesn't know other classes or even how to pull caster groups without them sitting there casting on you :confused:. It was kind of funny when he pulled Selin by charging one of the caster mobs, but I should've ran once that happened so I didn't die since I got caught outside :p.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: Anubis
seems they fixed the lag issues, tho im still higher then i should be, ive done 2 normal and 2 heroic MagTs, got my trinket on the first heroic, i have 100% ZERO need to go back

No idea why, but my brother keeps doing it every day even after he got his Timbal's >_>. I'm more annoyed that I kept dying than anything... I might have been able to keep myself alive at one of the times, but definitely not in most unless I ran out of LOS constantly. The druid really needed to swipe more :p.

I went prot for the weekend so I could do non stop rep runs with a friend who is also a holy paladin. It's offspec with a few tank epics I picked up here and there, I get so many whispers asking "wtf you're tanking? Light's Justice and T5 healing shoulders?" Just keep spamming consecrate and spam the tab key as fast as I can, judging, stunning, and throwing shields at anything that doesn't have my name in the "target of target" field.

Pulling the entire room of leeches before the second boss is so much fun. Righteous Fury + Avenging Wrath + Consecrate FTMFW.

I should be exalted tonight, going for the Redeemer's Alchemist stone.
 

Fingolfin269

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I've been leveling a lock for the last week or two and it is just ridiculous how fast you can burn through the lower levels now. I'm at about 2 days played at level 42 and seem to be leveling just as fast now as I was in the 20s. I went from 40-->42 in about 2.3 hours. Granted the power of the lock (amazing class so far!) probably doesn't hurt plus I'm using a leveling guide that is supposedly top notch.

Why am I leveling another toon? Well, I want to go back to being raid DPS but finally came to the conclusion that rogues kind of suck. I'm great at playing the class but rogues are in great supply and to be honest you can probably get through 90% of the boss encounters with 0 rogues. I changed over to my Paladin and I am just tired of healing people. :)

And before you say there are a lot of warlocks, for some reason there are not very many raiding warlocks on our server. Win/win.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Question about some of the mobs in Magister's Terrace... the ones that throw the glaives... should they be tanked facing away from the group or will the glaive hit the group anyway? I kept getting hit by them and was not exactly enjoying it :p.

Also, it really shows me how much worse it is when the leader of your group (originally me but ya usually toss it to the tank anyway) doesn't know other classes or even how to pull caster groups without them sitting there casting on you :confused:. It was kind of funny when he pulled Selin by charging one of the caster mobs, but I should've ran once that happened so I didn't die since I got caught outside :p.

Don't waste a CC on the blood knight, thats a common mistake I see a lot of people doing. It's tempting to CC him because he heals, but him getting a heal off is merely an inconvenience, but a succubus charming your healer is a wipe, especially if you have a single target healer like a paladin.

Make the blood knight your first burn down target. Your 1 melee dps can pretty much solo this guy, enhancement shamans work well for interrupts. Have ranged dps burn the warlock simultaneously.

The 3 mobs you want to CC are the mage guards, the smuggler, and the succubus.

The mage guards are the ones who throw glaives and interrupt the healer alot. The throw is random, and you'll see his target change off the tank for a moment when he throws it.

Succubus will seduce your healer.

The smuggler will teleport all over and arcane bomb the raid for massive damage even in normal.

Heres what we did last night on the 6 pull before kael with: feral tank, holy pally healing (me), hunter, lock, and enh. shaman:

Bear charges in, hunter traps consortium dude, lock banishes the succubus and fears the naga witch, paladin drops a holy shock with divine favor and exorcism to kill the imp, and we tank and burn the blood knight, the warlock, and the magister in that order.

What I hate is LoS pulling by throwing a shield, consecrating, and running around the corner, and only like 1 mob comes and I see the dps life bars all going down... /sigh Do people just not get that a pally tank doesn't have aggro until they mobs hit the consecrate? Avenger shield only hits 3 targets.
 

BenSkywalker

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What are feral druid tank's weaknesses?

Several- no shield so no blocks which means they get hit with crushing blows, they can't use a healthstone or pot when they are hurting nor can they shield wall or last stand in a pinch. They have frenzied regen which is OK, but no substitute for everything a prot warrior or pally has going for them. Don't get me wrong, 30K armor and 20K health certainly helps make up fot their lacking in other areas, but there are certain situations where a warrior is just plain better.

Oh yeah, just thought of three more, warriors can disarm and their cd on interrupts is much shorter plus they have a couple at their disposal instead of just bash, they also can spell reflect which comes in handy sometimes.

but a succubus charming your healer is a wipe

WoF ftw
 

lupi

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So I've gotten about 25 thrallmar marks and started looking at the vendor. Doesn't really seem to be anything worth buying.
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Don't waste a CC on the blood knight, thats a common mistake I see a lot of people doing. It's tempting to CC him because he heals, but him getting a heal off is merely an inconvenience, but a succubus charming your healer is a wipe, especially if you have a single target healer like a paladin.

You can't CC the succubus if you don't have a Lock (you can fear them as a Pally or a Priest, but that's only so long). I don't even know what we killed first, but frankly, I'd just kill the succubus first if we couldn't CC it, but they kept setting the succubus as the second target.

Originally posted by: exdeath
Make the blood knight your first burn down target. Your 1 melee dps can pretty much solo this guy, enhancement shamans work well for interrupts. Have ranged dps burn the warlock simultaneously.

In the case of lack of CC for the demon, I'd say to do the succubus first. I did get charmed a couple times but other people did as well and I just removed it off them.


Originally posted by: exdeath
The mage guards are the ones who throw glaives and interrupt the healer alot. The throw is random, and you'll see his target change off the tank for a moment when he throws it.

That's what I needed to know :p. So positioning won't necessarily affect the glaive. Also, some mobs create a dome on the ground around our guys... does that raise magic damage done to them? I know when they do it to themselves, it lowers magic damage done.

Originally posted by: exdeath
Heres what we did last night on the 6 pull before kael with: feral tank, holy pally healing (me), hunter, lock, and enh. shaman:

I died on that pull to the stupid Naga :p.

Originally posted by: exdeath
What I hate is LoS pulling by throwing a shield, consecrating, and running around the corner, and only like 1 mob comes and I see the dps life bars all going down... /sigh

You need to state that you're LoS pulling. Worst thing ya can do in a PUG is assume they know what you're thinking, because they're most likely really noobish. The rogue in my group last night had a Crystalline Kopesh as his weapon.... You know, that tanking sword you get from doing Durn the Hungerer in Nagrand :p. Not to mention he also had a dagger in his off-hand as a sword spec rogue.

There was one benefit of the disconnect last night. I was the only enchanter and hence I had all 3 shards on me (bunch of crap dropped). Since no one messaged me afterward, I just kept all the shards :p.

Originally posted by: exdeath
Just keep spamming consecrate and spam the tab key as fast as I can, judging, stunning, and throwing shields at anything that doesn't have my name in the "target of target" field.

You don't need to do that much to get aggro. The only thing you may have to worry about are caster mobs, which tend to be a real pain as a protadin. For melee heavy mobs, you can just use consecrate and holy shield whenever it's up. Heck, in some instances, I just use those and judge wisdom and use seal of wisdom. Also, it's nice when you get demons so you can use exorcism :p.

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Several- no shield so no blocks which means they get hit with crushing blows, they can't use a healthstone or pot when they are hurting nor can they shield wall or last stand in a pinch. They have frenzied regen which is OK, but no substitute for everything a prot warrior or pally has going for them. Don't get me wrong, 30K armor and 20K health certainly helps make up fot their lacking in other areas, but there are certain situations where a warrior is just plain better.

In some instances, LotP can cause them to need almost no healing as well.

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
WoF ftw

Not all of us are... FOR THE HORDE! :p
 

BenSkywalker

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In some instances, LotP can cause them to need almost no healing as well.

True, but a prot warrior with a kitty gets the same, that isn't something only bears get to take advantage of.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: Aikouka

You can't CC the succubus if you don't have a Lock (you can fear them as a Pally or a Priest, but that's only so long). I don't even know what we killed first, but frankly, I'd just kill the succubus first if we couldn't CC it, but they kept setting the succubus as the second target.

Even as a healer, I can fear, stun to overlap the fear cool down when the first fear wears off, and fear again, while healing. People need to learn to multi task ;)

If there isn't a CC for the succubus, yeah, burn the succubus fast, then go back to burning the knight. If you have a rogue or enhance shaman they can keep the knight busy and interrupt heals while everyone else focus fires the succubus. Then back to the knight. CC priority should be on mage guard and smuggler. Succubus can charm the healer but if you have another cleanse in the group besides the healer you can deal with it or bubble out of it. You can't cleanse or bubble out of a knockdown or arcane blast.

That's what I needed to know :p. So positioning won't necessarily affect the glaive. Also, some mobs create a dome on the ground around our guys... does that raise magic damage done to them? I know when they do it to themselves, it lowers magic damage done.

That is the same guy that throws the glaives, the mage guard. It also reduces healing done and damage done by 75%. But that bubble isn't too bad, you can easily move out of it. It's the glaives knocking down the healers at the wrong time that hurts, especially if CCs are resisted on the pull.

You need to state that you're LoS pulling. Worst thing ya can do in a PUG is assume they know what you're thinking, because they're most likely really noobish. The rogue in my group last night had a Crystalline Kopesh as his weapon.... You know, that tanking sword you get from doing Durn the Hungerer in Nagrand :p. Not to mention he also had a dagger in his off-hand as a sword spec rogue.

I do, I'll jump up and down and say "LoS pulling here, hold off on dps"... but what can you expect from a pug lol.

Last night I was wary of doing a pug for normal rep runs, so I /w a few people in LFG to ask if they had good gear and if they had run the instance before. All said yes.

We kill kael and one loots the head... ie: first time running it. /hand2face
 

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I played Alliance for 2 years, Horde for the rest. I will never be Alliance again.
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
True, but a prot warrior with a kitty gets the same, that isn't something only bears get to take advantage of.

How often do you find a prot warrior in an instance with a DPS druid? I don't think I've ever seen it in a normal 5-man :p.

Originally posted by: exdeath
Even as a healer, I can fear, stun to overlap the fear cool down when the first fear wears off, and fear again, while healing. People need to learn to multi task ;)

Focus macros ftw. Once my mage sets his focus target, he never has to change targets. I actually modified one of the macros at wowwiki and even changed it again to work for my priest with Shackle Undead and one for my warlock with Banish. Essentially, left click sets focus and attempts to cast, right click will attempt to cast on focus target. Click with no target to clear. I think I had an older one that I could SHIFT+click to clear target.

Originally posted by: exdeath
I do, I'll jump up and down and say "LoS pulling here, hold off on dps"... but what can you expect from a pug lol.

I get that even in Ramps. On the two shadow caster pulls, I'll say that I'm LoS pulling and some genius will run up and start DPSing.

Originally posted by: exdeath
We kill kael and one loots the head... ie: first time running it. /hand2face

Maybe he just forgot it? :p I mean, if you've done Kael in TKE, then you shouldn't really have an issue with him in MagT. One thing I found is that Circle of Healing would've been soooo nice in some of the situations. Vexallus at the end... yeah CoH would be nice.
 

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These long maintenance days really kill me since I work nights. :p
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: TheVrolok
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These long maintenance days really kill me since I work nights. :p

Hopefully it'll fix the bad crashes though :p.
 

TheVrolok

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These long maintenance days really kill me since I work nights. :p

Hopefully it'll fix the bad crashes though :p.

Not up until 2pm PST, I work at 5:30pm EST, looks like I'm SOL. :p
 

BenSkywalker

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How often do you find a prot warrior in an instance with a DPS druid?

All the time actually. Why not? With decent gear they have dps comparable to a rogue, can CC 3 mobs at once in a pinch(and quite effectively with proper gear) can off heal when need be and battle rez. One of my preferred 5 man setups is Warrior, kitty, lock, mage and one of those randome healers(ideal for me is prot pally and three mages/locks, aoe everything).
 

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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: AntiFreze
Originally posted by: Beev
Heh, a quick clear of Kara is like, an hour and a half (so I hear).

hour and a 1/2... thats awesome. I'm impressed when we can do it in 3.5 hours. and thats with 10 (4/6)SSC/(3/4)TK geared people.

Pugged and done in 2.5 hours which did include 2 stupid wipes. It's more about competent people than great gear imo. Oh and having 2 feral drood tanks rule because they dps too.

What are feral druid tank's weaknesses?

We did a 1 hour 10 minute kara speed run 3 nights ago for badges. Tank was T6 geared with 1 warglaive rogue//S3 swords rogue. Most of the mobs were double/tripled pulled.


Feral tanks have high armor defense and high HP. They soak in the damage. Feral druids are good as an offtank, like Gruul, since they build rage faster than a prot tank that's not taking any damage.

Prot tanks have high block/parry/dodge. They avoid damage as much as possible. In other words, they take less healing than a feral druid.
 

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70 minutes to kill moroes, maiden, opera, nightbane, curator, illhoof, shade, nether, chess, prince? with a pug?

I'm having a hard time believing that, maybe I'm just way too slow.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
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These long maintenance days really kill me since I work nights. :p

Hopefully it'll fix the bad crashes though :p.

hope it does. i just started playing on my XPS laptop and i cant hear my spells being cast or any sounds from my mount. other guildies are saying the same.

 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: invidia
Prot tanks have high block/parry/dodge. They avoid damage as much as possible. In other words, they take less healing than a feral druid.

Parry provides rage naturally and cuts your current swing time by half. Block can provide rage if you have the Shield Specialization talent.
 
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