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networkman

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Most law abiding CHL holders take their obligation seriously and don't carry where it's against the law to do so.

Except it's still NOT against the law to do so. Chipotle is ASKING customers not to bring guns into their business, but there's absolutely no law that says the customers cannot just ignore the request and come in anyway.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Except it's still NOT against the law to do so. Chipotle is ASKING customers not to bring guns into their business, but there's absolutely no law that says the customers cannot just ignore the request and come in anyway.

Once they place a 30.06 sign by the entrance to the restaurant by Texas law it will be illegal to do so.
 

sourn

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People have a lot of rights. It'd be a nicer world if they chose to use those rights appropriately, vs. being confrontational with those rights. Going into restaurants with a AK-47 strapped to your back, because you can, isn't that much removed from the idiots who exercise their right to free speech by protesting at funerals.

I'm sorry there's a big fucking difference here.

Those guys aren't hurting or disrespecting anybody for carrying. If panzy ass bitches get offended that's on them. Personally I wouldn't care at all seeing somebody armed as long as they're not doing something stupid. Like waving it around saying get down get down.

Even if they do it to make some people get their feathers ruffled, that's still on the bitches. As they are not being harmed or disrespected in anyway. Not to mention the loss of somebody vs walking out of the store because you're uncomfortable. Give me a fucking break.
 

MrPickins

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People have a lot of rights. It'd be a nicer world if they chose to use those rights appropriately, vs. being confrontational with those rights. Going into restaurants with a AK-47 strapped to your back, because you can, isn't that much removed from the idiots who exercise their right to free speech by protesting at funerals.

I'm sorry there's a big fucking difference here.

Those guys aren't hurting or disrespecting anybody for carrying. If panzy ass bitches get offended that's on them. Personally I wouldn't care at all seeing somebody armed as long as they're not doing something stupid. Like waving it around saying get down get down.

Even if they do it to make some people get their feathers ruffled, that's still on the bitches. As they are not being harmed or disrespected in anyway. Not to mention the loss of somebody vs walking out of the store because you're uncomfortable. Give me a fucking break.

As a reasonable and responsible gun owner, people like you make me afraid for my Second Amendment rights.
 
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Interestingly, even the NRA is coming out against these types of open-carry shenanigans. From http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/a...s-and-good-neighbors-the-gun-owners-role.aspx -

The second example comes to us from the Lone Star State, which is second to none for its robust gun culture. We applaud Texans for that, but a small number have recently crossed the line from enthusiasm to downright foolishness.

Now we love AR-15s and AKs as much as anybody, and we know that these sorts of semiautomatic carbines are among the most popular, fastest selling firearms in America today. Texas, independent-minded and liberty-loving place that it is, doesn't ban the carrying of loaded long guns in public, nor does it require a permit for this activity. Yet some so-called firearm advocates seem determined to change this.

Recently, demonstrators have been showing up in various public places, including coffee shops and fast food restaurants, openly toting a variety of tactical long guns. Unlicensed open carry of handguns is legal in about half the U.S. states, and it is relatively common and uncontroversial in some places.

Yet while unlicensed open carry of long guns is also typically legal in most places, it is a rare sight to see someone sidle up next to you in line for lunch with a 7.62 rifle slung across his chest, much less a whole gaggle of folks descending on the same public venue with similar arms.

Let's not mince words, not only is it rare, it's downright weird and certainly not a practical way to go normally about your business while being prepared to defend yourself. To those who are not acquainted with the dubious practice of using public displays of firearms as a means to draw attention to oneself or one's cause, it can be downright scary. It makes folks who might normally be perfectly open-minded about firearms feel uncomfortable and question the motives of pro-gun advocates.

As a result of these hijinx, two popular fast food outlets have recently requested patrons to keep guns off the premises (more information can be found here and here). In other words, the freedom and goodwill these businesses had previously extended to gun owners has been curtailed because of the actions of an attention-hungry few who thought only of themselves and not of those who might be affected by their behavior. To state the obvious, that's counterproductive for the gun owning community.

More to the point, it's just not neighborly, which is out of character for the big-hearted residents of Texas. Using guns merely to draw attention to yourself in public not only defies common sense, it shows a lack of consideration and manners. That's not the Texas way. And that's certainly not the NRA way.

In summary, NRA certainly does not support bans on personalized guns or on carrying firearms in public, including in restaurants. We think people are intelligent enough to resolve these issues in a reasonable way for themselves. But when people act without thinking, or without consideration for others – especially when it comes to firearms – they set the stage for further restrictions on our rights. Firearm owners face enough challenges these days; we don't need to be victims of friendly fire.
 

alzan

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Hopefully more than a few of the "over-zealous" open carry proponents will think twice due to this statement by the NRA.
 

BoberFett

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It's the right-wing equivalent to gay pride parade floats covered with oiled up men wearing banana hammocks.

Getting in people's faces doesn't usually help your cause; usually the exact opposite.
 
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It's the right-wing equivalent to gay pride parade floats covered with oiled up men wearing banana hammocks.

Getting in people's faces doesn't usually help your cause; usually the exact opposite.

Yes! Having a parade where people have to make a deliberate effort to get to the parade route and make a conscious effort to look at what's going on in said parade is exactly the same as peacefully sitting in a restaurant when a bunch of these yahoos with rifles (who you had no idea were going to show up) come in and sit down next to you as they try to make their pretend political point.

Yep, you sure nailed that one.
 

BoberFett

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Yes! Having a parade where people have to make a deliberate effort to get to the parade route and make a conscious effort to look at what's going on in said parade is exactly the same as peacefully sitting in a restaurant when a bunch of these yahoos with rifles (who you had no idea were going to show up) come in and sit down next to you as they try to make their pretend political point.

Yep, you sure nailed that one.

Oh, so what you're saying is that normal traffic is never disrupted, and that people who were going about their normal business in and around the parade route have no chance of seeing something they didn't want to see?

And aren't the people with rifles peacefully going to restaurants as well? Did these guys with their rifles shoot up the restaurant? Or were they... peaceful. You know restaurants are full of people in the kitchen with knives. Do you shit yourself at that thought as well?

Keep riding the failtrain, your ticket is good to San Francisco.
 
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Oh, so what you're saying is that normal traffic is never disrupted, and that people who were going about their normal business in and around the parade route have no chance of seeing something they didn't want to see?

And aren't the people with rifles peacefully going to restaurants as well? Did these guys with their rifles shoot up the restaurant? Or were they... peaceful. You know restaurants are full of people in the kitchen with knives. Do you shit yourself at that thought as well?

Keep riding the failtrain, your ticket is good to San Francisco.

Ever been to an actual parade of any kind?

The city that I live in has had pride parades for about 35 years. It took a few years to get established and as big a production as it is now but it's estimated that for at least the past 15 to 20 years or so attendance has been in the several 100,0000s per year. Last year it's estimated that well over 400,000 people attended. That's an average of about 15 to 20 people deep along the whole parade route.

Just how easy do you think it would be for some clueless resident or tourist to stumble through a few hundred thousand spectators for an event that is extremely well publicized and in an area well blocked off to traffic hours in advance and then be 'surprised' see some guy's dangly bits which they can then be offended by?

It leads me to ask, do you put any thought whatsoever into what you write here?

btw, who gives a shit about dangly bits, or breasts for that mater. Do you find something inherently bad/shameful about the human body and it's various component pieces? If so, must suck to be you.
 

BoberFett

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Ever been to an actual parade of any kind?

The city that I live in has had pride parades for about 35 years. It took a few years to get established and as big a production as it is now but it's estimated that for at least the past 15 to 20 years or so attendance has been in the several 100,0000s per year. Last year it's estimated that well over 400,000 people attended. That's an average of about 15 to 20 people deep along the whole parade route.

Just how easy do you think it would be for some clueless resident or tourist to stumble through a few hundred thousand spectators for an event that is extremely well publicized and in an area well blocked off to traffic hours in advance and then be 'surprised' see some guy's dangly bits which they can then be offended by?

It leads me to ask, do you put any thought whatsoever into what you write here?

btw, who gives a shit about dangly bits, or breasts for that mater. Do you find something inherently bad/shameful about the human body and it's various component pieces? If so, must suck to be you.

Yawn.

In a state where everyone owns guns, and open carry is legal, how many people are shocked by someone doing just that? Who gives a shit about a gun slung on some guess back? Do you fear all inanimate objects? It must suck to be you.
 
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Yawn.

In a state where everyone owns guns, and open carry is legal, how many people are shocked by someone doing just that? Who gives a shit about a gun slung on some guess back? Do you fear all inanimate objects? It must suck to be you.

Doubling down on the stupidity I see. Ok.
 

sportage

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Open carry?
Oh come on...
Just admit to yourself that you have a teeny tiny wee wee and call it a day.
 

irishScott

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Chipotle owns (or owns the lease on) the property their restaurant inhabits. Therefore they can control who enters that property so long as it comports with public accommodation laws. You have no right under the law to carry a gun onto someone else's property if they don't want you to, so you would at least be guilty of trespassing in this case if they wanted to enforce it.

That's the key phrase. I sincerely doubt Chipotle or Starbucks or any other restaurant chain would want to prosecute, say, a CCW holder who stopped a robbery or something. Would be horrible PR for them and wouldn't be in line with why they're making these requests. They have no ideological stance for or against guns, they simply want a basis to prevent the open-carry extremists from scaring away customers.
 

Oldgamer

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I'd like to see these gun nuts grow some balls and open carry in a bank..lol

Anyway, early morning for me..I see this gun thread has gotten very long....
 

StinkyPinky

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Sigh - to think that images like this may be a thing of the past . . .

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I guess mommy didn't give these guys enough attention as kids.

That lard ass couldn't even protect his own fat ass let alone anyone else. If you're interested in self-preservation, cut back on the hamburgers.
 

bradly1101

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Oh, so what you're saying is that normal traffic is never disrupted, and that people who were going about their normal business in and around the parade route have no chance of seeing something they didn't want to see?

And aren't the people with rifles peacefully going to restaurants as well? Did these guys with their rifles shoot up the restaurant? Or were they... peaceful. You know restaurants are full of people in the kitchen with knives. Do you shit yourself at that thought as well?

Keep riding the failtrain, your ticket is good to San Francisco.

When pulled level, aim taken and activated gay imagery can't get you killed (well maybe you).

All of these mass shootings start with someone walking in with a gun. If all that's between using the gun and not using it is someone I don't know and who could be unstable I feel my right to pursue happiness is trampled.

Fear of people with their guns = reasonable
Fear that you'll need a gun at any time = unreasonable
Edit: Desire to be intimidating (instill fear in others) = dickish
 
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