swiftboat part 2

[a777pilot]

The speech is here.

I count a total of 15 uses of "I", "me" or "my", and 86 uses of "we", "us" or "our".

Obama's speech was entirely inclusive. And this effort is shameful.

There should have been the use of one and one only "I". When he started the speech by saying "I am here to report......"

My biggest complaint of that speech was the timing. It should have been a minimum of three days later. For political purposes he let all that sensitive intelligence go to waste. The Fool.

 

[a777pilot]

Is there a reason I should care what a bunch of liars have to say about something they didn't have anything to do with?

Absolutely not. That is why I pay no attention to anything the obama administration has to say.

 

[chucky2]

Don't blame him. Obama supporters have no way to go other than try and twist what Obama - clearly - implied in his decree. It's a caustic message and it was received...caustically. Dem's have to try and re-spin it, as it's clearly damaging (not that it'll matter, given Romney).

It's somewhat the same as Romney not wanting to release his tax records. He's made a bed (in this case not a speech but in keeping as much of his money from the Gov as possible every year), and now he has to sleep in it (rather than try and twist that 'he didn't mean that', it's 'they're not important'). Not precisely the same thing, but, close enough.

It sure is fun watching Dem's try and defend Obama's clear perception of businesspeople, and Rep's try and defend Romney over not release tax info Romney himself has decried others to release themselves. POTUS election season sure is entertaining!

Chuck

 

[thraashman]

There should have been the use of one and one only "I". When he started the speech by saying "I am here to report......"

My biggest complaint of that speech was the timing. It should have been a minimum of three days later. For political purposes he let all that sensitive intelligence go to waste. The Fool.

That is one of the most idiotic things you've ever complained about. Oh noes, he used the first person pronoun when he gave a speech! The best thing about arguments like this is it just continues to prove you have no real legitimate problems with the President, you just have your insanity. You'd sound less crazy if you claimed to be Brainy Smurf complaining about the tyranny of Papa Smurf.

 

[blankslate]

Earth to Pjabber he didn't claim to build it.

He authorized the operation and in the announcement speech he only took credit for authorizing the operation and directing the CIA to make finding him a focus (although I'm hoping that was unnecessary and that finding him has always been #1 for the C.I.A.)

When he specifically reference the operation he said "a U.S. team" and "they" he didn't say "I" or "me."

It's sad that republicans are willing to U.S. special forces in a smear campaign.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

My biggest complaint of that speech was the timing.

What you don't seem to understand is that when you complain about everything a person does, no matter what it is, when it is done, or how it is done, people stop taking your complaints seriously.

Obama did nothing wrong with that speech. And he deserves some of the credit for the raid going off well, if for no other reason than the fact that people like you would have been the first to blame him if it had been a disaster.

 

[Arglebargle]

Politically motivated group operating under a 'social welfare' cover spreading disinformation. And covering up who is funding them. Guess that wouldn't look good in the light of day.

I am sure the people involved in this group will be very well taken care of by their mysterious benefactors.

 

[hal2kilo]

Politically motivated group operating under a 'social welfare' cover spreading disinformation. And covering up who is funding them. Guess that wouldn't look good in the light of day.

I am sure the people involved in this group will be very well taken care of by their mysterious benefactors.

I sure this is the same Swift boat group and their inside the military fascist stooges.

 

[thraashman]

Don't blame him. Obama supporters have no way to go other than try and twist what Obama - clearly - implied in his decree. It's a caustic message and it was received...caustically. Dem's have to try and re-spin it, as it's clearly damaging (not that it'll matter, given Romney).
Chuck

I guess if English isn't your first language or you got by with D's in English since about 2nd grade, then I guess you can say that's what he clearly implied. Those of us who are well versed in the English language can however tell what he indeed did mean. Now yes, if you ignore all but one sentence of his speech it can be taken the way you think it was meant to. However, if you listen to literally ANY of the rest of it, and especially if you listen to the entire thing, Obama meant that businesses thrive because of how great the American society is and how we all work together.

Now I guess if you came up with your own material to create roads, laid down those roads on your own, fought off anyone who tried to take your land with your own hands, created your own currency, built a building and a product, and got customers who came in using your brand new currency ... then Obama could be wrong. More likely you're just an idiot.

 

[PJABBER]

Lotsa arguing about Obama's castigating small business and entrepreneurs, not much commentary on the Dishonorable Disclosure video itself.

Dishonorable Disclosure also indicts the Obama Administration leaking of classified material, endangering national security and the lives of those who are charged to protect us - all for the sake of political gain.

Do watch it. It is well worth 22 minutes of your time no matter if you are an R or a D, a prog, lib or conservative.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

It is well worth 22 minutes of your time no matter if you are an R or a D, a prog, lib or conservative.

Very highly doubtful. When the premise of something is a lie -- that Obama claimed credit for the raid -- then nothing good can be built upon it.

I'd rather spend 22 minutes working in my compost heap. At least there, I'll be digging through shit for a good reason.

 

[Atreus21]

Lotsa arguing about Obama's castigating small business and entrepreneurs, not much commentary on the Dishonorable Disclosure video itself.

Dishonorable Disclosure also indicts the Obama Administration leaking of classified material, endangering national security and the lives of those who are charged to protect us - all for the sake of political gain.

Do watch it. It is well worth 22 minutes of your time no matter if you are an R or a D, a prog, lib or conservative.

In the interest of fairness, I'd like an answer to this question:

What sensitive information did Obama's administration (provably) leak, and how do these leaks compare with leaks made by previous (especially republican) presidents?

 

[Atreus21]

Very highly doubtful. When the premise of something is a lie -- that Obama claimed credit for the raid -- then nothing good can be built upon it.

That's not the premise. That's one of the complaints, but the premise is that he's made unacceptable intelligence leaks.

 

[First]

Obama's going to win in November, probably by a landslide.

Get over it.

 

[spacejamz]

What you don't seem to understand is that when you complain about everything a person does, no matter what it is, when it is done, or how it is done, people stop taking your complaints seriously.

Obama did nothing wrong with that speech. And he deserves some of the credit for the raid going off well, if for no other reason than the fact that people like you would have been the first to blame him if it had been a disaster.

It just that Obama tends to say 'I' when something good happens and uses 'they' or 'he' when something not good happens...

He blames the economy on Bush....whether it is true or not (and this should not matter), he showed a considerable lack of respect for the Oval Office by not manning up and owning the situation like all of the presidents before him.

 

[Arglebargle]

There are such leaks all the time. It's the nature of the beast. It becomes an issue when it's not 'your' guy....

 

[hal2kilo]

Obama's going to win in November, probably by a landslide.

Get over it.

I'm not worried about him getting in but, losing the Senate on the other hand is a real and ugly possibility.

 

[blankslate]

Do watch it. It is well worth 22 minutes of your time no matter if you are an R or a D, a prog, lib or conservative.

I'll say it again in case you didn't see it the first time. It's sad when republicans (because really, who are we bullshitting about the funding?) will use U.S. military personnel in a smear campaign.

As someone else said swiftboar part 2

 

[a777pilot]

What you don't seem to understand is that when you complain about everything a person does, no matter what it is, when it is done, or how it is done, people stop taking your complaints seriously.

Obama did nothing wrong with that speech. And he deserves some of the credit for the raid going off well, if for no other reason than the fact that people like you would have been the first to blame him if it had been a disaster.

Yes, I would have blamed him but he would have thrown Leon Penetta under the bus, and you know it.

He took way too much credit for the operation and that speech should have been delayed to take action on time sinsive intel. He is a dangerous fool that knows nothing but his own self worth.

 

[CitizenKain]

Lotsa arguing about Obama's castigating small business and entrepreneurs, not much commentary on the Dishonorable Disclosure video itself.

Dishonorable Disclosure also indicts the Obama Administration leaking of classified material, endangering national security and the lives of those who are charged to protect us - all for the sake of political gain.

Do watch it. It is well worth 22 minutes of your time no matter if you are an R or a D, a prog, lib or conservative.

No, its a video made by, and for the far right. Saying you are non-partisan while parroting rightwing talking points doesn't actually make you non-partisan.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Yes, I would have blamed him...

Thanks for that bit of honesty.

Now, if you would blame someone for something goes wrong, shouldn't you give him credit when things go right?

 

[Ldir]

Lotsa arguing about Obama's castigating small business and entrepreneurs, not much commentary on the Dishonorable Disclosure video itself.

Dishonorable Disclosure also indicts the Obama Administration leaking of classified material, endangering national security and the lives of those who are charged to protect us - all for the sake of political gain.

Do watch it. It is well worth 22 minutes of your time no matter if you are an R or a D, a prog, lib or conservative.

Just because your life centers on lies and smears doesn't mean ours are. One reason you are so messed up.

 

[PJABBER]

It's sad that republicans are willing to U.S. special forces in a smear campaign.

Sigh. Have you watched the video or even read through the OP?

This is not a Republican group. These guys are Democrats, Republicans and many of them are in the "I don't care for either" camps.

They ARE, however, the good guys, the guys on OUR side, that have been on the ground, in the air and in the water taking down bad guys. You know, the assholes that want to cut your head off right after they do the same to your family.

They do not want to see their friends and comrades die through leaks of classified information just because a slimy politician wants to keep his job for four more years.

They do not want to see our national security, what let's us sleep comfortably in our beds at night, suffer needlessly for the sake of some cheap politician's career.

We have many Obama butt buddies posting in this forum. They will spin like a top to justify their emotional attachment to Obama's posterior. To them, it smells like roses no matter what is coming out.

But, those who are not so enthralled - Democrat, Republican, whatever label they care to apply - are damn worried about what this White House is doing to paint themselves as doing something, anything as tough guys.

The spec operators in this OPSEC group are serious men for serious times.

 

[First]

I'm not worried about him getting in but, losing the Senate on the other hand is a real and ugly possibility.

Real possibility, definitely. Luckily it's not likely.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

They ARE, however, the good guys...

Even good guys do bad things. And this video certainly qualifies IMO.

The glorification of the military in this country is getting out of hand. Putting on a uniform doesn't automatically make you a saint.

Most servicemen and servicewomen are good, decent Americans -- just like most civilians. And some of them are not -- just like civilians.