swiftboat part 2

[hal2kilo]

I dont see where anyone said that Navy Seals don't have guts.

where does it say that?

Are you making stuff up again??? tsk tsk

Must have a straw man to knock down so you can say you won.

 

[blankslate]

Navy SEAL responds after Media Matters staffer says Obama-critical SEALs ‘don’t have guts’

Like I said in a previous post I don't visit media matters and when I did I preferred to check other sources to make sure they weren't being overly selective of information.

And this Eric Boehlert guy said "Navy SEALs don’t have guts to admit they’re running a GOP, anti-Obama campaign"

which is different than saying "they don't have guts at all"

Anyway the phrase "don't have guts" shouldn't have been used in reference with any special forces personnel at all.

However, I've seen one or two extremely intimidating people exhibit the oddest phobia's which of course I've never ratted them out on because I didn't want to get my ass kicked.

 

[CitizenKain]

Do you really think these guys are going to blindly be "used as tools?"

Yes. They signed up for military service to be used as tools, and now they are signing up to be tools for a paycheck.

 

[PJABBER]

I dont see where anyone said that Navy Seals don't have guts.

where does it say that?

Are you making stuff up again??? tsk tsk

No, why would you think so anyway?

Media Matters senior fellow Eric Boehlert said on Thursday that a group of former Navy SEALS “don’t have guts” after the special forces operators launched a media campaign condemning the Obama administration’s national security leaks.

“#kindalame former Navy SEALs don’t have guts to admit they’re running a GOP, anti-Obama campaign; http://nyti.ms/N2nYYj ” Boehlert wrote on Twitter Thursday morning.

 

[OrByte]

No, why would you think so anyway?

I see someone calling a group of former navy seals gutless

do I see someone saying navy seals dont have guts? nope.


hmmmm....

 

[blankslate]

Yes. They signed up for military service to be used as tools, and now they are signing up to be tools for a paycheck.

I'd rather not use the phrase "to be used as tools"...

however since G.I. does stand for government issue I suppose the phrase could be used.

Sadly, political parties do use service members as such as well.

 

[Pens1566]

No, why would you think so anyway?

If you can't grasp the difference between what was actually stated, and what you think was stated using the quote you yourself just provided, then you're even more retarded than most of us give you credit for.

 

[hal2kilo]

I don't get the comparisons to "Mission Accomplished." Obama announcing the bin Laden raid is only comparable if bin Laden shows up on "Good Morning America" the next day.

lol

 

[PJABBER]

If you can't grasp the difference between what was actually stated, and what you think was stated using the quote you yourself just provided, then you're even more retarded than most of us give you credit for.

What a gutsy guy you are there on the interwebs!

 

[benzylic]

One of the guys says he's a birther. http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/08/17/anti_obama_navy_seal_leader_i_m_a_birther

Then some of them have a history of talking to the media about national security http://www.latimes.com/news/politic...ncludes-past-leakers-20120815,0,2590161.story

 

[OrByte]

If you can't grasp the difference between what was actually stated, and what you think was stated using the quote you yourself just provided, then you're even more retarded than most of us give you credit for.

I think he is anything but retarded. He is a very intelligent poster and entertaining!

but he has a truthiness problem.

 

[Theb]

One of the guys says he's a birther. http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/08/17/anti_obama_navy_seal_leader_i_m_a_birther

Then some of them have a history of talking to the media about national security http://www.latimes.com/news/politic...ncludes-past-leakers-20120815,0,2590161.story

Bailey, who is part of the leadership of SOS's effort to mobilize thousands to take to the streets to denounce Obama's treatment of the military through an SOS project called Operation Street Corner, doesn't only believe that the president is a foreigner. He also believes that he is not actually the son of Barack Obama, Sr. Bailey trumpeted the conspiracy theory that the president is actually the love child of Ann Dunham and writer Frank Marshall Davis.

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"Barack Obama's a born red-diaper baby. He's a socialist. His beliefs are the very antithesis of my beliefs. As far as I am concerned he is one of the most unlikeable and unprepared politicians we've ever had," Bailey said. "I don't like him because he believes that America is responsible for most of the problems in the world and he wants to cut her down to size."

Bailey is also a veteran of efforts to portray Democrats as anti-military during previous presidential election cycles. He was involved in the 2004 effort called Vietnam Vets for the Truth, an organization that was separate from but worked with Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth to attack John Kerry's military record. Together they organized a "Kerry Lied" rally on Capitol Hill that had 5,000 attendees.

LOL jeez. These guys are laying it on way too thick. If they focused their message on attacking some of the leaks they probably would've had some meat but they're casting way too wide of a net.

They're going to excite Newsmax and the Fox Nation Fringe but those guys already think Obama is a Hitler + Jane Fonda love child.

The attack that he's taking too much credit for the Osama raid could actually work in Obama's favor. He could create an ad to rebut that particular attack by replaying some of his remarks where he gives credit to everyone and uses the word "we" a lot. This gives him an opportunity to run an about the Osama kill that isn't an ad about the Osama kill because the ad is a rebuttal to an attack.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

LOL, I highly doubt that any mainstream Republican consulting group will be as batshit crazy as FDL!



Why can't you come to grips that they are speaking their own minds? And that they truly represent the great majority of other service people in that community? There are no Bradley Mannings in the demographic this organization represents. I am ex-military and they are saying what everyone I know in the military or has been in the military is saying.

Just because OPSEC are speaking to truth rather than playing back Media Matters talking points doesn't mean they are being programmed by someone else. I know that is what Media Matters has put out, but Media Matters is no arbiter of truth, it is just a left wing propaganda organization, so there is no real need for you or anyone else to keep regurgitating their daily talking points if you start to think for yourself!

Do share.

 

[PJABBER]

I think he is anything but retarded. He is a very intelligent poster and entertaining!

Why, thank you for that! :wub:

but he has a truthiness problem.

On this, however, we will have to agree to disagree! Hehehe! :awe:

 

[PJABBER]

He also believes that he is not actually the son of Barack Obama, Sr. Bailey trumpeted the conspiracy theory that the president is actually the love child of Ann Dunham and writer Frank Marshall Davis.

Just an aside on this little rumor. Communist Frank Marshall Davis was quite a womanizer and was certainly one of Obama's closest mentors until Obama went off to college. The rumors that Davis was his real father actually came from the radical community that Obama's grandparents and Davis were part of, not from any right wing source.

It is possible, but from the timing of who was where, it seems rather unlikely that Davis was actually Obama's father.

What is indisputable, is that his grandfather introduced the two and they were inseparable though Obama's adolescence. Davis might as well have been his father.

Fascinating reading here: The Communist: The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mentor

The attack that he's taking too much credit for the Osama raid could actually work in Obama's favor. He could create an ad to rebut that particular attack by replaying some of his remarks where he gives credit to everyone and uses the word "we" a lot. This gives him an opportunity to run an about the Osama kill that isn't an ad about the Osama kill because the ad is a rebuttal to an attack.

I fully expect to see Obama run an ad saying that he killed Osama.

 

[werepossum]

LOL jeez. These guys are laying it on way too thick. If they focused their message on attacking some of the leaks they probably would've had some meat but they're casting way too wide of a net.

They're going to excite Newsmax and the Fox Nation Fringe but those guys already think Obama is a Hitler + Jane Fonda love child.

The attack that he's taking too much credit for the Osama raid could actually work in Obama's favor. He could create an ad to rebut that particular attack by replaying some of his remarks where he gives credit to everyone and uses the word "we" a lot. This gives him an opportunity to run an about the Osama kill that isn't an ad about the Osama kill because the ad is a rebuttal to an attack.

Perhaps. To me, Obama's speech wasn't evil, it was merely politically stupid. Less "me" and more "us" would have been more palatable and served him better politically, but it WAS accurate. That shouldn't overshadow the fact that he did take a huge political risk authorizing this operation, whether or not a particular Republican would have done the same.

One similarity with the Swift Boat Vets for Truth on which we should all be able to agree. If the Swift Boat Vets had been more politically in line with Kerry, and these guys were more politically in line with Obama, each likely would have held their noses and kept quiet. That doesn't make either group wrong, but it's something to consider along with their claims. And it's why both groups overplayed their hands, and will continue to do so - which is ironic in this case since their attack on Obama is that he overplayed his hand in claiming credit.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Perhaps. To me, Obama's speech wasn't evil, it was merely politically stupid. Less "me" and more "us" would have been more palatable and served him better politically, but it WAS accurate.

From earlier in the thread...

The speech is here.

I count a total of 15 uses of "I", "me" or "my", and 86 uses of "we", "us" or "our".

Obama's speech was entirely inclusive. And this effort is shameful.

 

[Rainsford]

Perhaps. To me, Obama's speech wasn't evil, it was merely politically stupid. Less "me" and more "us" would have been more palatable and served him better politically, but it WAS accurate. That shouldn't overshadow the fact that he did take a huge political risk authorizing this operation, whether or not a particular Republican would have done the same.

One similarity with the Swift Boat Vets for Truth on which we should all be able to agree. If the Swift Boat Vets had been more politically in line with Kerry, and these guys were more politically in line with Obama, each likely would have held their noses and kept quiet. That doesn't make either group wrong, but it's something to consider along with their claims. And it's why both groups overplayed their hands, and will continue to do so - which is ironic in this case since their attack on Obama is that he overplayed his hand in claiming credit.

Your assumption seems to be that President Obama's actions around the mission to kill bin Laden are objectionable to SOME degree and that at best his supporters are willing to "hold their noses" and see the good points.

Personally I think it's the other way around. The only people who object to what he did or said are the people who hate Obama to begin with, and the stronger the hatred the more ways they found to bash him for it. The fact that the objections to his speech after the mission consist of the vaguest of generalities ("less 'me' more 'us'"?) feels a lot like people searching for a reason to protest instead of a reasonable objection a normal person would have.

I also think the equivalence you mentioned is pretty non-existent. There is absolutely no way Obama has "overplayed" killing bin Laden. It was basically a speech that the pedantic squad "objected" to because he's a Democrat looking good on national security, maybe a few mentions as an accomplishment and that's it. Republicans attacking him for it look ridiculous, and they damage their complaints about Obama by making it look like they're less interested in legitimate problems and more interested in whining about EVERYTHING he does.

I'm hardly an unbiased source here, but it's pretty hard to come up with an objective angle that finds OBAMA'S actions here to be negative (especially as negative as those of the Republicans).

 

[PJABBER]

The issue of taking credit is a minor one in the mix.

OPSEC is agitating for the Obama Administration to stop leaking every national secret, secrets that when revealed endanger their buddies' lives and put the nation at greater risk.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

The issue of taking credit is a minor one in the mix.

OPSEC is agitating for the Obama Administration to stop leaking every national secret, secrets that when revealed endanger their buddies' lives and put the nation at greater risk.

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[HomerJS]

Perhaps. To me, Obama's speech wasn't evil, it was merely politically stupid. Less "me" and more "us" would have been more palatable and served him better politically, but it WAS accurate. That shouldn't overshadow the fact that he did take a huge political risk authorizing this operation, whether or not a particular Republican would have done the same.

One similarity with the Swift Boat Vets for Truth on which we should all be able to agree. If the Swift Boat Vets had been more politically in line with Kerry, and these guys were more politically in line with Obama, each likely would have held their noses and kept quiet. That doesn't make either group wrong, but it's something to consider along with their claims. And it's why both groups overplayed their hands, and will continue to do so - which is ironic in this case since their attack on Obama is that he overplayed his hand in claiming credit.

You mean like the aircraft carrier landing?

 

[HomerJS]

The issue of taking credit is a minor one in the mix.

OPSEC is agitating for the Obama Administration to stop leaking every national secret, secrets that when revealed endanger their buddies' lives and put the nation at greater risk.

Their silence is deafening on the leak of Valerie Plame?

Two-faced?

 

[PJABBER]

Their silence is deafening on the leak of Valerie Plame?

Two-faced?

Who was the source of the Valerie Plame leak?

 

[HomerJS]

Who was the source of the Valerie Plame leak?

The source came from the Bush administration.

 

[PJABBER]

The source came from the Bush administration.

That certainly covers a lot of ground. Who admitted to it?