Super Tuesday Results

[Starbuck1975]

This is next level concern trolling, I give you that.

People didn't vote for Trump because of economic anxiety, research has already established that. They voted for Trump out of racism. I personally think Sanders has better policies than Biden but in the end it doesn't matter - the cancer in our society is an open criminal in the White House. Anyone who gets that person out is the cure.

I think Biden is the least equipped to be that cure

 

[Jhhnn]

I appreciate that. I hope you appreciate the magnitude of what happened last night. Thousands of young Sanders volunteers across the country worked their asses off to try to nominate a candidate that at least promises to change course, and in a moment, everything was thrown back in their faces. No effort has ever been made by the Biden camp to appeal to these progressives, instead, Biden treats them with open contempt. I think the question of "will they vote for Biden in the GE" is the wrong question. I think the question is if they will abandon electoral politics entirely. I am at a complete loss as to what one could even say to someone like that to get them to continue. Again, impossible to overstate this: they were not out-worked, they did not lose to a superior campaign, they did not lose a better argument. they lost to candidate that didn't even bother campaigning at all.

I hear a lot of nasty comments coming from Bernie's camp about old voters and black voters in the South. I don't subscribe to any of that. It is an absolute mystery to me why anyone would vote for Biden, but at the end of the day, they did, and the facts on the ground are what they are.

Give us some examples of Joe treating young progressives with open contempt.

 

[dank69]

I appreciate that. I hope you appreciate the magnitude of what happened last night. Thousands of young Sanders volunteers across the country worked their asses off to try to nominate a candidate that at least promises to change course, and in a moment, everything was thrown back in their faces. No effort has ever been made by the Biden camp to appeal to these progressives, instead, Biden treats them with open contempt. I think the question of "will they vote for Biden in the GE" is the wrong question. I think the question is if they will abandon electoral politics entirely. I am at a complete loss as to what one could even say to someone like that to get them to continue. Again, impossible to overstate this: they were not out-worked, they did not lose to a superior campaign, they did not lose a better argument. they lost to candidate that didn't even bother campaigning at all.

I hear a lot of nasty comments coming from Bernie's camp about old voters and black voters in the South. I don't subscribe to any of that. It is an absolute mystery to me why anyone would vote for Biden, but at the end of the day, they did, and the facts on the ground are what they are.

I hate platitudes, but this one is particularly relevant and bears repeating again: Bernie supporters need to stop making perfect the enemy of better. The time for purity tests was when we were fucking around with Reagan/Bush I. Shit got real with Bush II. Now shit is on fire. If people are going to walk away from politics because their preferred candidate didn't win the nom, then those people are shit human beings who deserve to get fucked, and I'll be happy to get fucked alongside them just so I can laugh at their misery.

 

[HomerJS]

Would never vote for Trump. Didn’t vote for him last time.

Thinking about the states that the Democrats need to win, which states can status quo Joe take from Trump?

PA for sure now that the courts forced a redraw of the GOP rigged maps.
Wisconsin and Michigan. Only need 78K votes to flip.

BTW - status quo would mean Joe is a racist corrupt dirtbag. Is that what you are saying as a troll?

 

[Jaskalas]

I think what he's trying to say is, neither of them will change anything for the better for the average American (especially the working and poor). Of course Trump is worse but they're different sides of the same coin. If you can't see that, you're hopeless yourself like the establishment dems.

Biden is basically the status quo. Trump is literal burn it down and throw all the workers into the fire to keep Trump feeling all warm at night.

The General Election is poised to be a choice between our continued slow decent into madness and despair, VS an accelerated fast lane towards hell on earth.

However, the first step towards recovery is to stomp all over Trump. To buy us time to make a better choice in 2024. The clamor for revolution will be much louder by then, as the dissatisfied masses grow larger and louder each passing year. Our suffering of the Reagan Revolution must end, but it isn't going to happen as a result of 2020. But maybe with Biden as President, America will still be here in 2024. Maybe....

 

[Blackjack200]

Bernie didn't manage to create the coalition he claimed (though he has done very well with Hispanics) he would or turn out the elevated number of voters he expected to. When things went wrong the campaign and surrogates said nasty things about the people who didn't vote for them. Doesn't seem like the way to win to me.

Yeah, the first sentence is obviously true, it's black and white in the results. The second part is false. There was a single Sanders campaign manager that said mean things on an alt Twitter account, and he was immediately fired when it surfaced.

 

[K1052]

She could piss Bernie Bros off by staying in, and spoil the rest of the primaries without endorsing Biden, but I think she exits gracefully and endorses Biden at this point.

Edit: The troll game is strong

https://twitter.com/x/status/1235223911538872323

Trump should take as many opportunities as he likes to remind Democratic voters why they hate his fucking guts.

 

[Starbuck1975]

PA for sure now that the courts forced a redraw of the GOP rigged maps.
Wisconsin and Michigan. Only need 78K votes to flip.

BTW - status quo would mean Joe is a racist corrupt dirtbag. Is that what you are saying as a troll?

Status quo as in the economic disparity that led to the rise of a pied piper candidate. What bold changes do you envision Biden achieving?

 

[K1052]

Yeah, the first sentence is obviously true, it's black and white in the results. The second part is false. There was a single Sanders campaign manager that said mean things on an alt Twitter account, and he was immediately fired when it surfaced.

That incident was emblematic of the approach the campaign and some if its most ardent supporters have taken. The constant Trumpish sparring with the press also was bad.

 

[fskimospy]

I think Biden is the least equipped to be that cure

It's possible, I think most people substitute who they think is most electable with who they personally prefer though.

 

[fskimospy]

Status quo as in the economic disparity that led to the rise of a pied piper candidate. What bold changes do you envision Biden achieving?

How many times do we need to repeat that people who voted for Trump did not do so for economic reasons? Lots of empirical research shows this.

 

[ShookKnight]

Hey, what's going on with the corruption investigations regarding Joe Biden? Ever since he turned into a dog of a candidate, suddenly investigating corruption is not on Trump's To Do list... why is that??

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

IronWing's answer is my answer.

Here, I'll helpfully repeat it for you:

He didn't have an answer. At all.

It was a whatabout Trump DUH-version. My statement still remains, Warren lied about being native american wrongly to try and win points instead of using her proper race. It is the exact same thing that Rachel Dolezol did of falsely claiming to be a minority.


If you think 1/1024 means you're an Indian - then everyone here should have no problem claiming you're black since every single person here has some African ancestry.

The fucking olympic sized obstacles you guys jump over in order to your defend your people is just jaw dropping at this point.

 

[thilanliyan]

I hear a lot of nasty comments coming from Bernie's camp about old voters and black voters in the South. I don't subscribe to any of that. It is an absolute mystery to me why anyone would vote for Biden, but at the end of the day, they did, and the facts on the ground are what they are.

The country as a whole just may not be ready for some of those progressive policies. As someone from Canada I'm totally on board with them, but it seems as though that's not the case there.

Maybe incremental change rather than revolution is the more palatable answer? I dunno.

I think it has to start with getting the special interest money out of politics.

 

[HomerJS]

Status quo as in the economic disparity that led to the rise of a pied piper candidate. What bold changes do you envision Biden achieving?

Trump who was handed an economic gem made that disparity worse yet you felt no need to criticize. Biden was in office when the country was in economic meltdown and that was first priority. Also Republicans gave them nothing.

What he gets done is going to depend on the makeup of Congress. If the Senate turns Democrat Joe will not have excuses.

He can start with fixing the Voting Rights Act. Clearly voting has consequences and Republican disenfranchising has to stop.

BTW - You role as a resident troll is not unnoticed.

 

[ewdotson]

Hey, what's going on with the corruption investigations regarding Joe Biden? Ever since he turned into a dog of a candidate, suddenly investigating corruption is not on Trump's To Do list... why is that??

It shockingly became a thing again the day after the SC primary. Which no one could have possibly seen coming. Republicans think we're really, really stupid. Hopefully we can prove them wrong.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1234505655861547010

 

[Perknose]

Trump should take as many opportunities as he likes to remind Democratic voters why they hate his fucking guts.

Trump did something I worried would not happen . . . as far as possible, he united enough Dems that I now believe we will WIN!

Thanks, Donnie Boy!

 

[Jaskalas]

Status quo as in the economic disparity that led to the rise of a pied piper candidate. What bold changes do you envision Biden achieving?

Sanders probably wouldn't achieve them either. Push for, yes. Achieve, no.

Congress has to want "bold changes" as well. Electing Sanders would have been a symbolic thumb into their eyes, a wake up call. So it doesn't happen in 2020, just gives us time to find a younger progressive candidate for 2024.

 

[fskimospy]

Sanders probably wouldn't achieve them either. Push for, yes. Achieve, no.

Congress has to want "bold changes" as well. Electing Sanders would have been a symbolic thumb into their eyes, a wake up call. So it doesn't happen in 2020, just gives us time to find a younger progressive candidate for 2024.

Yes, exactly. If you want serious change in America the people you should probably be talking to are Joe Manchin and Doug Jones as no matter what Democrat wins the presidency they are the guys you are going to need to convince.

 

[Muse]

I think Biden is the least equipped to be that cure

Evidently many million American voters think otherwise.

 

[Blackjack200]

That incident was emblematic of the approach the campaign and some if its most ardent supporters have taken. The constant Trumpish sparring with the press also was bad.

What nasty things are you referring to? You only have the one example, and that was on a protected Twitter account (i.e. he thought he was venting in private).

 

[K1052]

Lol how the Republican discourse has turned 180 degrees from "Dems in disarray" to "Well funded finely tuned unstoppable T-1000 like Democratic machine conspires against Bernie". I didn't think it possible to be so transparent and I doubt it matters anyway.

 

[Blackjack200]

The country as a whole just may not be ready for some of those progressive policies. As someone from Canada I'm totally on board with them, but it seems as though that's not the case there.

Maybe incremental change rather than revolution is the more palatable answer? I dunno.

I think it has to start with getting the special interest money out of politics.

We know that's not the case. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...ajority-democratic-voters-support-eliminating

 

[K1052]

What nasty things are you referring to? You only have the one example, and that was on a protected Twitter account (i.e. he thought he was venting in private).

The with us or against us rhetoric of the entire campaign. I voted for Bernie in the TX primary but am not blind to the negatives he allows to flourish.

 

[fskimospy]

We know that's not the case. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...ajority-democratic-voters-support-eliminating

That shows DEMOCRATS in favor of them. I generally agree that Americans are far more in favor of Sanders-like policies than most people think, although he would be politically smarter to make his 'medicare for all' into a Mayor Pete style 'medicare for all who want it'.