Super Tuesday Results

[dank69]

Agreed. Policy wise I like Warren a lot, she's more in the sweet spot between Joe and Bernie.

Personally I like Joe and Liz, but while Joe is a steady hand, he's an institutionalist who will be more reserved in pushing for change.

Otoh he does have deep relationships and has the capability to be highly effective if he wants to. I just hope he isn't too naive (like Obama) about the cravenness of the gop.

You would think that the Garland, Ukraine etc sagas would have taught him that.... But IDK.


I had more confidence in Warren taking them on, but her campaign has been horribly run from the start (eg her DNA test..)
As a consolation, I hope Biden wins and puts her in a powerful position and let the technocrat run.

This is my biggest fear with Joe as well. Trying to compromise with the GOP is a fool's errand, and of all the candidates we have, Joe seems like that kind of fool.

 

[ondma]

I find the idea that Biden would get trounced by Trump in debates to be truly bizarre. Have the people saying that that's how things would go down listened to Trump recently? At all?

Have you heard Biden speak recently???? He cant even put together a coherent sentence, just starts out to say one thing, rambles on about something else, and may or may not ever finish the original thought.

 

[HomerJS]

This is my biggest fear with Joe as well. Trying to compromise with the GOP is a fool's errand, and of all the candidates we have, Joe seems like that kind of fool.

If the Senate stays Republican no choice but compromise. If Dems take the Senate, full steam ahead. However Joe can triangulate and only work with new Republicans in office.

 

[Perknose]

I'm thinking Amy would be much more valuable to help win the upper mid West battlegrounds.

Warren as treasury secretary or something tho

While I align more with Warren than Klobuchar, I do think, in stark, even cynical, "we need to WIN" political terms that Klobuchar would make a better "impression" with on-the-fence Trump voters in any debate with Pence than Warren would.

That's NOT to say Warren wouldn't clean Pence's clock materially in a debate. Oh, boy, would she! But . . . her voice is more in the "female" high register, which would not play well subconsciously with all the "manly" Trumpistas. In that vein, she is slim and schoolmarm looking and does tend to "lecture" which would also not play well with those voters we need to peel off of the Trump train.

Finally, there is her botched Native American thang. She did NOTHING wrong, but the GOP slur machine would hit her hard and often with it.

Klobuchar is far more "butch" in aspect. She would be the kind of attack dog that, again, those would-be Trump voters whose minds we can change would better cotton to!

 

[K1052]

Have you heard Biden speak recently???? He cant even put together a coherent sentence, just starts out to say one thing, rambles on about something else, and may or may not ever finish the original thought.

I've noticed that this highly depends on the setting. At a debate or in front of a huge crowd he tends to stumble over himself and get things out disjointedly. In one on one interviews or a small gaggle he's much steadier and coherent. I think it could have more to do with his stutter than anything at this point. Age probably isn't helping but I don't think he's senile.

 

[Perknose]

Have you heard Biden speak recently???? He cant even put together a coherent sentence, just starts out to say one thing, rambles on about something else, and may or may not ever finish the original thought.

Yeah, geez. What a disaster of covfefe proportions it would be to have a President like that!

 

[HomerJS]

While I align more with Warren than Klobuchar, I do think, in stark, even cynical, "we need to WIN" political terms that Klobuchar would make a better "impression" with on-the-fence Trump voters in any debate with Pence than Warren would.

That's NOT to say Warren wouldn't clean Pence's clock materially in a debate. Oh, boy, would she! But . . . her voice is more in the "female" high register, which would not play well subconsciously with all the "manly" Trumpistas. In that vein, she is slim and schoolmarm looking and does tend to "lecture" which would also not play well with those voters we need to peel off of the Trump train.

Finally, there is her botched Native American thang. She did NOTHING wrong, but the GOP slur machine would hit her hard and often with it.

Klobuchar is far more "butch" in aspect. She would be the kind of attack dog that, again, those would-be Trump voters whose minds we can change would better cotton to!

Someone like Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams would clean Pence's clock absent the "high register". Super Tuesday has shown us we need a high base turnout. A lot of blacks stayed home in 2016. In 2018 blacks in Alabama turned out in droves and kept the pedophile out of the Senate.

 

[Blackjack200]

Oh YES he is! Here's one: Deny Trump a second term so we can begin to save our institutions AND put that fat fucker in jail.

Really? When has he promised, or even suggested that? If Biden made a credible promise to prosecute Trump and every law breaker in his administration, I would not only vote for him, I would campaign for him. Even without a promise of Medicare For All, even without the progressive policies I want, dealing such a powerful blow to Washington would be worth it.

It would be funny, if it weren't so sad, how much Biden supporters project onto their candidate things that they wish he would do, but he very clearly would not. Look at this headline, and then remind yourself that most of these people voted for Biden. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...ajority-democratic-voters-support-eliminating

Biden will not address the abuses and law breaking. He will get into office and continue governing the same way Obama and Trump have.

 

[HomerJS]

Have you heard Biden speak recently???? He cant even put together a coherent sentence, just starts out to say one thing, rambles on about something else, and may or may not ever finish the original thought.

Some of the greatest hits from your boy...

> windmill cancer
> revolutionary war airports
> ram the manparts
> oranges of Mueller investigation
> Toledo mass shooting
> wettest hurricane from standpoint of water
> Tim Apple
> kidney has special place in heart
> moon is part of mars
> ceaseless incoherence and slurring

I could keep going. Trump's list is far greater. Trump biggest gaffe problem, a lot of them emanate from malice.

I said this to someone else, why are you standards all of a sudden going up? Where the fuck u been for the last 3 years? Please let us know which side of your face posts. It would be nice to know.

 

[Blackjack200]

This is my biggest fear with Joe as well. Trying to compromise with the GOP is a fool's errand, and of all the candidates we have, Joe seems like that kind of fool.

The guy has literally floated the idea of picking a Republican VP. He's a horror show.

 

[K1052]

Yeah, geez. What a disaster of covfefe proportions it would be to have a President like that!

Just because Trump speaks like he's had a series of mini-strokes and is clearly hopped up on enough adderall to reach Warp Factor 7 doesn't mean anything.

 

[Muse]

I find the idea that Biden would get trounced by Trump in debates to be truly bizarre. Have the people saying that that's how things would go down listened to Trump recently? At all?

I watched as CBS coverage televised the beginning of a who-knows-how-long celebratory speech Biden made last night in Los Angeles... until they faded and cut away to more of their coverage. Did he have a teleprompter? Didn't look like it. He was genuinely excited, he was glib, he was not tripping over his tongue. He had talking points galore. If he performs like that in the debates, Trump is going to have nothing but his basketfull of insults for ammunition. Joe will have stuttering issues from time to time, I heard that he's had that problem his whole life. I do not expect Trump to run any circles around Joe. He hovered behind Hillary, hulking 6'3" Trump. This is no done deal.

 

[ewdotson]

I agree that whoever the Democratic nominee is should not engage Trump directly other than to do things like what you mention, that's what we have Blomberg for, and if Bernie wins and keeps pushing away Boomberg's operation that's political malpractice. You have the nominee act cool and responsible and have Bloomberg's operation raze Trump to the ground.

I'll be honest. I've been in the camp of folks who were waffling between Biden and Warren. One of the reasons I went with Biden is because I felt like it was a whole lot more likely that Bloomberg would actually throw his support behind the eventual nominee if that nominee were Biden rather than Warren. And as someone who lives in a Super Tuesday state and has been subjected to the full blast of the Bloomberg machine, I *do* want to see that turned against Trump in the general.

 

[dank69]

If the Senate stays Republican no choice but compromise. If Dems take the Senate, full steam ahead. However Joe can triangulate and only work with new Republicans in office.

There is no compromise with the GOP. I can't believe this even has to be said. If someone can manage to come up with a bill that the GOP would actually vote for, that bill should be set on fire. Every policy they support is flat out malicious.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

While I align more with Warren than Klobuchar, I do think, in stark, even cynical, "we need to WIN" political terms that Klobuchar would make a better "impression" with on-the-fence Trump voters in any debate with Pence than Warren would.

That's NOT to say Warren wouldn't clean Pence's clock materially in a debate. Oh, boy, would she! But . . . her voice is more in the "female" high register, which would not play well subconsciously with all the "manly" Trumpistas. In that vein, she is slim and schoolmarm looking and does tend to "lecture" which would also not play well with those voters we need to peel off of the Trump train.

Finally, there is her botched Native American thang. She did NOTHING wrong, but the GOP slur machine would hit her hard and often with it.

Klobuchar is far more "butch" in aspect. She would be the kind of attack dog that, again, those would-be Trump voters whose minds we can change would better cotton to!

"botched Native American thang" was "NOTHING wrong"?

So you don't have a problem with people wrongly using an oppressed minority group in order to get ahead as a non-oppressed white person? How very non-progressive of you!

Is this your spokesman - errr I mean spokesperson?

 

[ondma]

While I align more with Warren than Klobuchar, I do think, in stark, even cynical, "we need to WIN" political terms that Klobuchar would make a better "impression" with on-the-fence Trump voters in any debate with Pence than Warren would.

That's NOT to say Warren wouldn't clean Pence's clock materially in a debate. Oh, boy, would she! But . . . her voice is more in the "female" high register, which would not play well subconsciously with all the "manly" Trumpistas. In that vein, she is slim and schoolmarm looking and does tend to "lecture" which would also not play well with those voters we need to peel off of the Trump train.

Finally, there is her botched Native American thang. She did NOTHING wrong, but the GOP slur machine would hit her hard and often with it.

Klobuchar is far more "butch" in aspect. She would be the kind of attack dog that, again, those would-be Trump voters whose minds we can change would better cotton to!

I was (still am) a strong Klobuchar supporter. However, she has recently run into strong criticism from the black community over what was supposedly an unjust conviction of a black person many years ago while she was Attorney General of Minnesota, even though the conviction was upheld later when she was out of office. She has been crucified for this in Minnesota, to the point of protesters even shutting down her latest campaign rally. I dont know how much this would hurt the ticket nationally if she were to be the VP candidate, but it could be a big negative in one of Biden's strongest groups of support. Then again, I dont see how anybody could think she is more racist than Trump.

Edit: to be clear, I dont think she is racist at all.

 

[Perknose]

Really? When has he promised, or even suggested that? If Biden made a credible promise to prosecute Trump and every law breaker in his administration, I would not only vote for him, I would campaign for him. Even without a promise of Medicare For All, even without the progressive policies I want, dealing such a powerful blow to Washington would be worth it.

It would be funny, if it weren't so sad, how much Biden supporters project onto their candidate things that they wish he would do, but he very clearly would not. Look at this headline, and then remind yourself that most of these people voted for Biden. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...ajority-democratic-voters-support-eliminating

Biden will not address the abuses and law breaking. He will get into office and continue governing the same way Obama and Trump have.

What can I say except that I hope you are proved wrong. Btw, though we often disagree, I really respect the way you buttress your views with logic and facts.

 

[Perknose]

"botched Native American thang" was "NOTHING wrong"?

So you don't have a problem with people wrongly using an oppressed minority group in order to get ahead as a non-oppressed white person? How very non-progressive of you!

Warren did NO SUCH THING. You are simply in slack-jawed thrall to the Republican LIE Machine. I picture you with a huge poster of Joseph Goebbels over your bed.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Warren did NO SUCH THING. You are simply in slack-jawed thrall to the Republican LIE Machine. I picture you with a huge poster of Joseph Goebbels over your bed.

How the fuck was it a lie? Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it a lie. Please do tell.

 

[IronWing]

"botched Native American thang" was "NOTHING wrong"?

So you don't have a problem with people wrongly using an oppressed minority group in order to get ahead as a non-oppressed white person? How very non-progressive of you!

Odd of you to rehash that kerfuffle where Trump challenged Warren to do a DNA test and she did and the results showed that Warren was speaking truthfully and then Trump welshed on his promise (again)? The only story there was that Trump lied, again, and refused to pay up as promised. Trump being a liar and a deadbeat is hardly news.

 

[ondma]

Some of the greatest hits from your boy...

> windmill cancer
> revolutionary war airports
> ram the manparts
> oranges of Mueller investigation
> Toledo mass shooting
> wettest hurricane from standpoint of water
> Tim Apple
> kidney has special place in heart
> moon is part of mars
> ceaseless incoherence and slurring

I could keep going. Trump's list is far greater. Trump biggest gaffe problem, a lot of them emanate from malice.

I said this to someone else, why are you standards all of a sudden going up? Where the fuck u been for the last 3 years? Please let us know which side of your face posts. It would be nice to know.

Let me be clear: Trump is not "my boy". I in no way support him, and will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee. I also initially favored Biden as the democratic candidate. However, I now strongly question his competence to defeat Trump. It is not that my standards have "gone up", it is more that Biden's coherence has gone down.

 

[Perknose]

How the fuck was it a lie? Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it a lie. Please do tell.

IronWing's answer is my answer.

Here, I'll helpfully repeat it for you:

Odd of you to rehash that kerfuffle where Trump challenged Warren to do a DNA test and she did and the results showed that Warren was speaking truthfully and then Trump welshed on his promise (again)? The only story there was that Trump lied, again, and refused to pay up as promised. Trump being a liar and a deadbeat is hardly news.

 

[K1052]

Bloomberg dropping out. Endorsing Biden.

 

[fskimospy]

I'll be honest. I've been in the camp of folks who were waffling between Biden and Warren. One of the reasons I went with Biden is because I felt like it was a whole lot more likely that Bloomberg would actually throw his support behind the eventual nominee if that nominee were Biden rather than Warren. And as someone who lives in a Super Tuesday state and has been subjected to the full blast of the Bloomberg machine, I *do* want to see that turned against Trump in the general.

I've only been subjected to a moderate dose of his ads but I personally am impressed at how effective they are - he makes normal political advertising look like amateur hour.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Bloomberg out, endorsing Biden.

Remember a few days ago when he was urging Biden to drop out? Pepperidge Farm remembers...