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fskimospy

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lol, she's still a Senator here. One of the reasons I didn't vote for her in the primary is I like her as a Senate member from our state.

You have some intense hangups on women in politics.
I can’t think of a single powerful and capable Democratic woman that guy has not repeatedly gone out of his way to denigrate. Definitely seems like some woman issues coming through.
 

HomerJS

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Some conclusions I can take from yesterday's results.

The meme of the Democratic Party lurching towards socialism is over. Moderates comprise the bulk of the party
Black voters in the South save the day again. First in Alabama, now here.
Jim Clyburn basically saved Joe's ass. The voters have now said "ok Joe we gave you a big nudge now it's up to you"
Nobody can predict outcomes. Based on his reaction even Joe didn't know he would do this well.
 

Starbuck1975

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Jan 6, 2005
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Oh god we are back to ‘both sides are the same’ already? Didn’t you guys learn anything from 2016?
Biden gained artificial momentum by forming centrist Voltron and passing out the Obama member berries.

From where I’m standing, someone certainly didn’t learn anything from 2016.

Wall Street seems excited by status quo Joe, so there’s always that.
 

ondma

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If the economy truly does tank, then Trump will lose to whoever. We'll see if that actually happens. And by that, I mean a significant economic downturn which lasts through November.

Trump can't win on a bad economy. The state of the economy is literally his only argument to voters outside his core base, which is only about 1/3 of the country.
He can win if Biden looks totally incompetent in the debates (which is more than likely). He will also exploit the Ukraine scandal the way he did Hillary's e-mails and Benghazi. I think people underestimate the impact of Trump's base and the effectiveness of the Republican machine and smear tactics. That 35% or so is rock solid, and you can bet they will turn out in droves. He could easily win with 45% or slightly more of the popular vote, so it only takes 10% or so of the popular vote to go to him from independents or unhappy Democrats (disgruntled Bernie supporters again) to swing the election. Or even for the disgruntled Bernie supporters to simply stay home.

If the economy tanks after the Corona scare is over, Biden has an outside chance. If it comes back strong before the election, he (Biden) is toast.
 

fskimospy

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Biden gained artificial momentum by forming centrist Voltron and passing out the Obama member berries.

From where I’m standing, someone certainly didn’t learn anything from 2016.

Wall Street seems excited by status quo Joe, so there’s always that.
What the hell is artificial momentum?
 
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I'm honestly wondering what Biden promised Klaubachar, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, etc.... for all of them (and others) to drop+endorse him within 24 hours of super tuesday.

Sounds like some good ol' I'll give you a nice cushy high paying position if you scratch my back. Good to see the dems are just as shit-tacular as the current admin.
 

fskimospy

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He can win if Biden looks totally incompetent in the debates (which is more than likely). He will also exploit the Ukraine scandal the way he did Hillary's e-mails and Benghazi. I think people underestimate the impact of Trump's base and the effectiveness of the Republican machine and smear tactics. That 35% or so is rock solid, and you can bet they will turn out in droves. He could easily win with 45% or slightly more of the popular vote, so it only takes 10% or so of the popular vote to go to him from independents or unhappy Democrats (disgruntled Bernie supporters again) to swing the election. Or even for the disgruntled Bernie supporters to simply stay home.

If the economy tanks after the Corona scare is over, Biden has an outside chance. If it comes back strong before the election, he (Biden) is toast.
If that’s the case then why did Republicans lose so badly in 2018 despite turnout that effectively mirrored presidential election turnout?

Again it is baffling to me why the guy with a 43% approval rating who is losing head to head to everyone even WITH a good economy is viewed as the prohibitive favorite. What is this based on? As far as I can tell it’s from people who were burned in 2016 and have decided to overcompensate the other way.
 
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repoman0

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I'm honestly wondering what Biden promised Klaubachar, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, etc.... for all of them (and others) to drop+endorse him within 24 hours of super tuesday.

Sounds like some good ol' I'll give you a nice cushy high paying position if you scratch my back. Good to see the dems are just as shit-tacular as the current admin.

Based on nothing whatsoever but your feels, which as it turns out are usually wrong.
 
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ewdotson

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I find the idea that Biden would get trounced by Trump in debates to be truly bizarre. Have the people saying that that's how things would go down listened to Trump recently? At all?
 
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fskimospy

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I'm honestly wondering what Biden promised Klaubachar, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, etc.... for all of them (and others) to drop+endorse him within 24 hours of super tuesday.

Sounds like some good ol' I'll give you a nice cushy high paying position if you scratch my back.
Yes, in addition to being ideologically similar I imagine they traded their political support for Biden’s support of their future political ambitions. Do you know how politics works?

Good to see the dems are just as shit-tacular as the current admin.
Lol #bothsides. If you think the problem with the current administration is that it gave former political rivals cabinet positions all I can do is laugh.
 
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IronWing

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I'm honestly wondering what Biden promised Klaubachar, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, etc.... for all of them (and others) to drop+endorse him within 24 hours of super tuesday.

Sounds like some good ol' I'll give you a nice cushy high paying position if you scratch my back. Good to see the dems are just as shit-tacular as the current admin.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with what you just described as far as winning candidates bringing in the losers to fill political posts. The reason people blast Trump for the douche bags with which he packed his administration is not that some of them were losing candidates, it's that they're douche bags.
 

fskimospy

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I find the idea that Biden would get trounced by Trump in debates to be truly bizarre. Have the people saying that that's how things would go down listened to Trump recently? At all?
What I find most weird is how much weight people assign to the debates. Clinton destroyed Trump in all three debates. Kerry crushed GWB. Didn’t help them.

Debates help at the margins, if at all. Choosing a candidate based on that is crazy.
 

K1052

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I'm honestly wondering what Biden promised Klaubachar, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, etc.... for all of them (and others) to drop+endorse him within 24 hours of super tuesday.

Sounds like some good ol' I'll give you a nice cushy high paying position if you scratch my back. Good to see the dems are just as shit-tacular as the current admin.

The idea that temporary political opponents in the same party, deciding they have no electoral chance, giving up and endorsing the leading candidate that most aligns with their views is somehow the same as the bunch of incompetent, racist, cruel, thieving, quasi-nazi dirtbags that currently infest the executive branch is absurd.
 

IronWing

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The modern debates are wrassling matches to entertain. No real substance is discussed. It is unfortunate that most policy proposals by candidates molder in white papers on campaign websites while the candidates spend their time shaking babies and kissing asses instead of talking policy.
 

K1052

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Yes, in addition to being ideologically similar I imagine they traded their political support for Biden’s support of their future political ambitions. Do you know how politics works?


Lol #bothsides. If you think the problem with the current administration is that it gave former political rivals cabinet positions all I can do is laugh.

I mean it's only totally been expected for *checks notes* almost the entirety of US political history.
 

Perknose

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Hmm, the presidential debates are going to be brutal this year. Neither candidate is going to be able to complete a sentence and it's going to be an policy-free insult fest between two septuagenarians.
I can't wait! :D :p :p:cool:
 
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What I find most weird is how much weight people assign to the debates. Clinton destroyed Trump in all three debates. Kerry crushed GWB. Didn’t help them.

Debates help at the margins, if at all. Choosing a candidate based on that is crazy.
I think it depends on the situation. If Warren didn't completely destroy Bloomberg in his first debate we may have been looking at an entirely different result last night.

In the general I agree they are less impactful in a general election.
 
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ewdotson

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with what you just described as far as winning candidates bringing in the losers to fill political posts. The reason people blast Trump for the douche bags with which he packed his administration is not that some of them were losing candidates, it's that they're douche bags.
Hell, it's not even just that they're douchebags. It's that they're toadies who put loyalty to Trump above loyalty to the country. If anything, I'd expect old rivals of Biden's to be less inclined to go full Barr.
 

HomerJS

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I'm honestly wondering what Biden promised Klaubachar, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, etc.... for all of them (and others) to drop+endorse him within 24 hours of super tuesday.

Sounds like some good ol' I'll give you a nice cushy high paying position if you scratch my back. Good to see the dems are just as shit-tacular as the current admin.
Don't even try raising standards now. Where the fuck were you for the last 3 years?? First of all there is ZERO evidence of your theory.

You cannot compare Trump and Biden. This is clearly a good guy vs a racist corrupt dirtbag election. Hint, Biden is the good guy.