Super Tuesday Results

[Muse]

Even with corona virtually certain to tank the economy I don't think there much hope of Biden salvaging the 2020 election. Incoherent Biden is just going to get ripped to shreds by Trump in the debates. He's going to look like a moron on national TV three times. Though maybe I'll be dead by then anyways considering I live in one of the corona virus hotspots lol (San Antonio, Texas).

You're nuts thinking that Trump is going to be more coherent than Biden. Not gonna happen.

 

[Blackjack200]

Biden won a bunch of states where he had effectively no campaign at all. Where Sanders had field offices, advertised and volunteers called and knocked on doors. What's the point, they'll wonder, when old people will just watch cable news and out-vote you? Nothing about Biden's shitty record will matter. The dark money spigots will open up again, and he'll probably have a pretty easy time from here on out. Then he'll run in the GE on a platform of "fuck you, nothing is going to change". And either he or Trump will win. Who cares.

 

[woolfe9998]

Biden won a bunch of states where he had effectively no campaign at all. Where Sanders had field offices, advertised and volunteers called and knocked on doors. What's the point, they'll wonder, when old people will just watch cable news and out-vote you? Nothing about Biden's shitty record will matter. The dark money spigots will open up again, and he'll probably have a pretty easy time from here on out. Then he'll run in the GE on a platform of "fuck you, nothing is going to change". And either he or Trump will win. Who cares.

You are equating Biden with Trump.

Why is it always Sanders supporters who equate every democrat but their candidate with Trump?

 

[woolfe9998]

Even with corona virtually certain to tank the economy I don't think there much hope of Biden salvaging the 2020 election. Incoherent Biden is just going to get ripped to shreds by Trump in the debates. He's going to look like a moron on national TV three times. Though maybe I'll be dead by then anyways considering I live in one of the corona virus hotspots lol (San Antonio, Texas).

If the economy truly does tank, then Trump will lose to whoever. We'll see if that actually happens. And by that, I mean a significant economic downturn which lasts through November.

Trump can't win on a bad economy. The state of the economy is literally his only argument to voters outside his core base, which is only about 1/3 of the country.

 

[1prophet]

Amazing how the Republicans doing shitty things is always the Democrats’ fault, haha.

I really wish that just once the ideology of personal responsibility would, you know, take some responsibility.

Republicans always were what they were pro corporate, big business, it is the Democrats who wanted some of that corporate pig slop for themselves while pretending to be for labor and the middle class that tilted the balance in this country.

How Democrats abandoned the working class and spurred rise of Donald Trump

Inequality has risen. Jobs are going overseas. The more the stock market rises, the more the working class feels crushed by globalization. And all of this has occurred exactly as Democrats have eng…

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In Frank’s analysis, around 1972 the Democrats started to suspect their lunch-bucket workers were warmongering dinosaurs doomed by their reliance on dying Rust Belt industries. The party placed its future in the hands of groovy technocrats in non-union fields and wrote off the workers, who soon defected to the Republican party even though Republicans didn’t and don’t apologize for being the party of capital.


Blaming Republican Intransigence (TM) for liberalism’s failures, particularly in the Obama era, is a common excuse that Frank isn’t having. He points to areas such as Rhode Island and Chicago where Republicans are virtually extinct and finds that Democrats behave exactly the same way: They make mild clucking noises about inequality while taking donations and policy ideas from financiers (both R.I. and the City of Big Shoulders are run by former Wall Streeters) and outlining an economic future of enhanced “innovation” designed to tilt the economy even further in the direction of elite knowledge-economy workers and away from those without college degrees.


Innovation, Frank says, is often just code for new methods (from Uber to credit default swaps) to evade necessary protective regulations. Many such innovations pump up profits for rich entrepreneurs and shareholders by unloading employees with benefits in favor of part-timers and freelancers with no benefits. Democrats take big donations from such firms, laud them in speeches, and tell everyone else to get out of the way of the “disruption.”

Enlarge ImageBlue-collar voters are now backing Donald Trump, who is sketching out the problem with America in exactly the terms they agree with: Jobs are going to Mexico, unchecked illegal immigration and free trade are driving down the wages of working-class Americans, or costing them their jobs outright.Reuters
There is some enticing evidence for Frank’s claim that Democrats deliberately shunned American workers. He points to a 1971 manifesto by Democratic strategist Frederick Dutton, who wrote that workers had become the enemy because they were “the principal group arrayed against the forces of change.”


The Colorado Democrat Gary Hart, one of the many elected to Congress in 1974 as a reaction to Watergate, called his standard stump speech “The End of the New Deal” and President Jimmy Carter’s adviser Alfred Kahn wrote, “I’d love the Teamsters to be worse off. I’d love the automobile workers to be worse off. . . . I want to eliminate a situation in which certain protected workers in industries insulated from competition can increase their wages much more rapidly than the average.”


The centrist Democratic Leadership Council announced a “postindustrial, global economy” as it re-arranged the party to be friendly to business and trade, and President Bill Clinton, with Summers giving him advice, deregulated finance via repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and passage of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which Frank blames for the Enron debacle and the 2008 banking crisis.


Such changes made the champagne flow for the urban professionals even as the workers were left parched. In a 1993 episode that Frank identifies as a turning point, the Clinton administration did nothing to help striking workers at two big plants in Decatur, Ill. On the scene, a worker turned to Frank and said this was labor’s last stand: “If we don’t do it, then the middle class as we know it in this country will die. There will be two classes, and it will be the very, very poor and the very, very rich.”


As Larry Summers would say: That’s just the way things are supposed to be.

That is why corporate friendly Biden and Bloomberg are there, to stop the potential threat Sanders and Warren may become to the establishment corparatists who like most republican congress people and senators tolerate Trump because he is useful for them but don't care for him otherwise because they recognize his abrasive mannerism along with his ego is a huge liability, anyone thinking otherwise is naive or no smarter than the Trump supporters they like to point fingers at.

Democrats used to be for the middle class. Not anymore. | Opinion

Democrats are a good bet to retake the U.S. House of Representatives when midterm elections are decided in November, but it won't mean they have fixed the problems and perceptions

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[Blackjack200]

You are equating Biden with Trump.

Why is it always Sanders supporters who equate every democrat but their candidate with Trump?

Neither one wants to give us health care, both will take us to war. Both are corrupt shit stains. Please tell me what the difference is.

 

[woolfe9998]

Neither one wants to give us health care, both will take us to war. Both are corrupt shit stains. Please tell me what the difference is.

If I have to explain to you the difference between Trump and any democrat who ran in this primary, you are beyond hope.

 

[ivwshane]

So what the hell happened with Warren? She smoked Biden in 3 debates and almost single handedly destroyed Bloomberg. She is arguably the smartest candidate still in the race. She has both practical centrist experience and progressive chops when it comes to going after the banks and 1%ers. She got critical endorsements from establishment media (NYT) and progressive grassroots orgs (Indivisible).

My guess is it all goes back to this stupid “electability” test—and I think way too many voters just see her as another woman bound to lose to Trump. The only demographic she won with was older post-grad educated whites. I guess America really doesn’t like/doesn’t trust smart people in government for some reason—I’m struggling to think of a good reason why Bloomberg picked up more votes than Warren in nearly every state tonight.

Very disappointed in how the night went for her—she has to end her run tonight/tomorrow.

If I had to guess I’d say that warren didn’t do well because Bernie had a very strong base of support as did Biden and because Biden and sanders are opposites in the liberal scheme of things it didn’t leave much room for warren to break out. I suspect warren won over independents the most and had the primary had ranked voting I think she would have been a very strong second choice for a lot of people.


I really can’t think of anything she did wrong other than not having a good basic message (in fact I don’t recall what her slogan was).

FYI, warren would have been my first choice as well but I like strong and smart women so I may be an outlier.

 

[Blackjack200]

If I have to explain to you the difference between Trump and any democrat who ran in this primary, you are beyond hope.

Great. I'm beyond hope.

 

[alcoholbob]

Biden and Sanders can hold their own, don't kid yourself. Trump will have a quiver full of insults and lies.

Sanders has no chance at this point with the entire party behind Biden. Its gonna be Biden getting abused like a senior home patient by Trump at the debates, and hence 4 more years of Trump. Markets have him as the favorite at this point.

I was hoping Buttigieg would have stayed in and had a chance of winning the nomination at the convention. Now we are guaranteed not only a nasty convention fight but the eventual candidate is going to be Hillary 2.0 with a record that Trump can attack with the added bonus that we have an incoherent babbler who keeps losing his train of thought and makes Trump look like a polished speaker.

 

[sandorski]

Biden's 2020 slogan: You Know the Thing!

 

[fskimospy]

Great. I'm beyond hope.

I thought you already said you were supporting whoever got the democratic nomination?

 

[eelw]

I’m seeing Biden offering VP to Clyburn if he wants it. Otherwise whatever cabinet position he wants. But then Harris or Buttigieg will get it.

But why are Americans so pessimistic than Trump will get re-elected? Sure he’s got his loyal brainwashed base. But unlike Hillary, independents won’t give him another chance. And Gabbard won’t get any significant votes like Stein and the other guy did in 2016. Even if Bernie Bros decide not to vote, there’s not enough votes for Trump to win again.

 

[Blackjack200]

I thought you already said you were supporting whoever got the democratic nomination?

I asked him to explain the difference between Trump and Biden.

 

[Xcobra]

If I have to explain to you the difference between Trump and any democrat who ran in this primary, you are beyond hope.

I think what he's trying to say is, neither of them will change anything for the better for the average American (especially the working and poor). Of course Trump is worse but they're different sides of the same coin. If you can't see that, you're hopeless yourself like the establishment dems.

 

[dawp]

You're nuts thinking that Trump is going to be more coherent than Biden. Not gonna happen.

plus he has been getting more and more incoherent as time goes on.

 

[nickqt]

If Trump wins again the only people to blame are the utterly immoral pricks who vote for him and nobody else. Just like in 2016. Blaming the Dems is craven.

It's real simple.

Don't like a Democrat's policies? Blame the Democrats.

Dogshit-tier Republican wins re-election and continues shitting on the rule of law,? Blame Democrats.

Right-wing authoritarians know how to repeat what they've been told to repeat by their rightful authority figures.

 

[Maxima1]

THE PARTY DECIDES

https://twitter.com/x/status/1234553587562434564

It seems like some people want to have it both ways: 2016 - Sanders can stay till the convention as that's his prerogative; 2020 - people should drop out to clear the path for the front runners...

The notable difference is more than two candidates. With Liz in, she can act as a spoiler and possibly did hand upsets in MN and MA as a consequence of splitting the vote and not endorsing Bernie over Biden. You could try to argue it's somewhat a wash with Bloomberg a threat to Biden but arguably less so because Biden had such a solid hold on the minorities, and Bloomberg probably would have stayed had Liz left.

Precisely. It seems kind of stupid for people to drop out when <5% of all votes had been cast. Your power over the platform will be directly related to the number of delegates you control, and it seems like no one could get a majority at this point.

No Bernie majority = Bloomberg + Biden + superdelegates = Biden. Outside of some improbable outcomes, the no-brainer decision would have been to drop out and endorse Bernie before Super Tuesday.

Not much different than Sanders himself. He wants everyone else out if he is the front runner. In 2016 he was all in for a contested convention.

Problem with this is he would have beat the dog doodie out of Donnie. Biden says he would contest it with less evidence for a wide margin bruising over Bernie, and he says that because he knows Bloomberg and the superdelegates would back him.

I am disappointed that Buttigieg and Klobuchar caved to give status quo Joe momentum.

Looks like Obummer may have been behind it (at least for Buttigieg). Beto also may have gotten a call from him to help Biden pull out TX.

So what the hell happened with Warren? She smoked Biden in 3 debates and almost single handedly destroyed Bloomberg. She is arguably the smartest candidate still in the race. She has both practical centrist experience and progressive chops when it comes to going after the banks and 1%ers. She got critical endorsements from establishment media (NYT) and progressive grassroots orgs (Indivisible).

No space. Progressives didn’t want her because they didn’t trust her. Moderates didn’t want her because she’s not moderate enough.

The odds of a second ballot at the convention are extremely high now. I know the Bernie people were wanting the rules changed to giving the nomination to the candidate with a plurality. Don’t think they will be asking for that anymore. I don’t think Biden will get a majority but I think he’s going to end up with the plurality. Which means it’s going to go back to the superdelegates on round 2 and the Bernie bro’s will help give Trump another term.

As long as Bernie isn’t the one with a plurality and/or pop lead, it’s not going to turn into an absolute shitshow.

Biden won a bunch of states where he had effectively no campaign at all. Where Sanders had field offices, advertised and volunteers called and knocked on doors. What's the point, they'll wonder, when old people will just watch cable news and out-vote you? Nothing about Biden's shitty record will matter. The dark money spigots will open up again, and he'll probably have a pretty easy time from here on out. Then he'll run in the GE on a platform of "fuck you, nothing is going to change". And either he or Trump will win. Who cares.

Biden got a MASSIVE amount of free media with optimal timing just days before Super Tuesday and some key endorsements from fellow establishment rivals.

I was hoping Buttigieg would have stayed in and had a chance of winning the nomination at the convention.

Fat chance. Biden would have had clear lead; establishment would have given it to him. Buttigieg and Amy were looking at very few to zero delegates. Look at how bad Bloomberg and Liz performed. They were polling under them!

Now we are guaranteed not only a nasty convention fight but the eventual candidate is going to be Hillary 2.0 with a record that Trump can attack with the added bonus that we have an incoherent babbler who keeps losing his train of thought and makes Trump look like a polished speaker.

Biden chance at majority or plurality has gone up significantly. Bernie is big underdog now. With MN and MA upsets and TX win for Biden, he’s going to snowball with a favorable narrative going into the other states. FL is horrible for Bernie.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Heh, how I feel about this election.

Oh well, Warren staying in screwed over Bernie and helped the establishment.

 

[fskimospy]

I asked him to explain the difference between Trump and Biden.

If you think they are the same why would you support one over the other?

 

[fskimospy]

I think what he's trying to say is, neither of them will change anything for the better for the average American (especially the working and poor). Of course Trump is worse but they're different sides of the same coin. If you can't see that, you're hopeless yourself like the establishment dems.

Oh god we are back to ‘both sides are the same’ already? Didn’t you guys learn anything from 2016?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Just woke up and saw that Biden did well, but apparently the younger voter turnout wasn't all that high and if true that's very very bad.

 

[dawp]

Just woke up and saw that Biden did well, but apparently the younger voter turnout wasn't all that high and if true that's very very bad.

primaries usually have a low turnout and mostly older people, when I voted yesterday I was number 45 by 9:30am.

I wouldn't worry too much about younger voters skipping the primary.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

lol Warren couldn't even win her own state. Man oh man it's obvious to see how much she went down the drain.

 

[ch33zw1z]

lol Warren couldn't even win her own state. Man oh man it's obvious to see how much she went down the drain.

lol, she's still a Senator here. One of the reasons I didn't vote for her in the primary is I like her as a Senate member from our state.

You have some intense hangups on women in politics.