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SteveGrabowski

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This is pretty much a wrap on the nomination. Bernie would have to completely dominate Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennslyvania to have any argument at the nomination in a brokered convention since Biden will likely take Florida and did take Virginia by a huge margin as well as winning North Carolina + Minnesota. The only state the matters much towards the presidential election that Sanders has taken yet is Colorado.
 

Xcobra

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As much as I'm rooting for Bernie, he probably won't get the nomination. But I'm pissed the Dems chose to back Biden. I think he's gonna get his ass handed to him in Nov.
 

woolfe9998

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Basically the heavy south (majority black population) is Joe Biden.

The rest is Bernie. News at 11.

No seriously, even Texas is Bernie.

Biden has won Massachusetts and Minnesota, and is slightly ahead right now in Maine.

All this is considering that Biden has been running an underfunded campaign compared to his competitors, and he didn't get the full bounce yet from the Buttigieg and Klobuchar endorsements because of early voting.

I think the race is trending back toward Biden. Especially if Bloomberg drops out tomorrow, which his campaign has signaled might well happen.
 
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Aegeon

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Basically the heavy south (majority black population) is Joe Biden.

The rest is Bernie. News at 11.

No seriously, even Texas is Bernie.
As noted this is not true with Biden winning states such as Minnesota and Massachusetts among others. (Tennessee is also not an exactly really heavy black population state.)

Of course on top of this projections are now coming out that Biden is going to win Texas. (Sanders won the early vote, but Biden is having a clear edge with the actual election day vote which should be sufficient to overcome the remaining gap between them.)
 

SteveGrabowski

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Biden has won Massachusetts and Minnesota, and is slightly ahead right now in Maine.

All this is considering that Biden has been running an underfunded campaign compared to his competitors, and he didn't get the full bounce yet from the Buttigieg and Klobuchar endorsements because of early voting.

I this the race is trending back toward Biden. Especially if Bloomberg drops out tomorrow, which his campaign has signaled might well happen.

Trending back towards Biden? It's over. Biden's got this wrapped up unless he completely blows the rust belt.
 

SteveGrabowski

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As much as I'm rooting for Bernie, he probably won't get the nomination. But I'm pissed the Dems chose to back Biden. I think he's gonna get his ass handed to him in Nov.

Even with corona virtually certain to tank the economy I don't think there much hope of Biden salvaging the 2020 election. Incoherent Biden is just going to get ripped to shreds by Trump in the debates. He's going to look like a moron on national TV three times. Though maybe I'll be dead by then anyways considering I live in one of the corona virus hotspots lol (San Antonio, Texas).
 
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SteveGrabowski

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If Biden is smart, she will be his VP

VP doesn't matter. If there was ever a VP choice that would have mattered it would have been Lloyd Bentsen in 1988 when Bush chose a retard in Dan Quayle. Dukakis still got destroyed in a landslide. The only VP I have ever seen make any difference was Ryan when he got Romney to run on a platform of "let's take everyone's Medicare away except for the boomers," blowing what was a very winnable election in 2012.
 

UNCjigga

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So what the hell happened with Warren? She smoked Biden in 3 debates and almost single handedly destroyed Bloomberg. She is arguably the smartest candidate still in the race. She has both practical centrist experience and progressive chops when it comes to going after the banks and 1%ers. She got critical endorsements from establishment media (NYT) and progressive grassroots orgs (Indivisible).

My guess is it all goes back to this stupid “electability” test—and I think way too many voters just see her as another woman bound to lose to Trump. The only demographic she won with was older post-grad educated whites. I guess America really doesn’t like/doesn’t trust smart people in government for some reason—I’m struggling to think of a good reason why Bloomberg picked up more votes than Warren in nearly every state tonight.

Very disappointed in how the night went for her—she has to end her run tonight/tomorrow.
 

sportage

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At this point it turns from plausible candidates to just plain stubbornness.
Warren has to go and should have already announced her exit tonight. Enough with the stubbornness, Liz.
Bloomberg has the $$$ to stay till the end but.... WHY?
Time to go Bloomberg. What are you trying to tell us, that money can buy almost anything?

But Biden??? I don't know....
Even in his victory speech just minutes ago, Biden was or sounded as if he was slurring his words and mispronouncing words and inserting the wrong word in place of what he actually intended to say.
Can you imagine that debate of Biden vs Trump?
Both are in their 70's yet Trump seems and acts as if he were 18 years old. Back in 2016 Trump was holding 10 rallies to Hillary's one. And Trump held multiple rallies daily flying from one to another. I really don't see Joe Biden doing THAT.

And something else to consider....
If it is Biden vs Trump, we all know that two weeks before election night AG Barr will pull a Hillary by announcing new and necessary investigations into Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Ukraine.
You know it, they know it, Barr knows it.
GEEEZE MA NEEEZE guys..... I sure hate to see Donald Trump win a second term, but that is plainly where we are headed.
 

thraashman

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So what the hell happened with Warren? She smoked Biden in 3 debates and almost single handedly destroyed Bloomberg. She is arguably the smartest candidate still in the race. She has both practical centrist experience and progressive chops when it comes to going after the banks and 1%ers. She got critical endorsements from establishment media (NYT) and progressive grassroots orgs (Indivisible).

My guess is it all goes back to this stupid “electability” test—and I think way too many voters just see her as another woman bound to lose to Trump. The only demographic she won with was older post-grad educated whites. I guess America really doesn’t like/doesn’t trust smart people in government for some reason—I’m struggling to think of a good reason why Bloomberg picked up more votes than Warren in nearly every state tonight.

Very disappointed in how the night went for her—she has to end her run tonight/tomorrow.
Largely I think she's too left to get the centrists and too centrist to get the real leftists.
 

woolfe9998

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VP doesn't matter. If there was ever a VP choice that would have mattered it would have been Lloyd Bentsen in 1988 when Bush chose a retard in Dan Quayle. Dukakis still got destroyed in a landslide. The only VP I have ever seen make any difference was Ryan when he got Romney to run on a platform of "let's take everyone's Medicare away except for the boomers," blowing what was a very winnable election in 2012.

VP has a 1-2% impact one way or the other. I recall reading that Palin likely cost McCain about 2%. Which would have mattered had the election been closer.
 

Aegeon

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I'm not so sure. Sanders is still winning in TX by an OK margin, and he's taking an early lead in CA.
Its only a .4% percent margin for Sanders after he was leading by about 8 or 9% after only the early vote was in with about 46% of the vote still to be counted at this point. Biden is fairly dominating the election day voting in Texas and the main question is what margin he wins Texas by.
 

sportage

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I fear democrats will not unite in the end, but will become very divided into never Biden's and never DNC.
Piss me off once, shame on you. Piss me off twice and F*** YOU, those pissed Sanders supporters will say.
It's going to take a hell of a lot of Black vote turnout to make up for that lost youth vote Biden will most definitely lose.
Don't they know? Establishment is sooooooo out and by establishment I mean Joe Biden and the likes.
And Democrats of youth want Sanders and AOC, not death warmed over stuttering Joe.....
 

SteveGrabowski

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I'm not so sure. Sanders is still winning in TX by an OK margin, and he's taking an early but significant lead in CA.

Sanders can likely only win a brokered convention now, and edging Biden out in Texas wouldn't mean anything for electability since my home state is almost certainly voting Trump unless say 100,000 people die here from corona. And California won't matter either since any Democrat is going to dominate California.
 

woolfe9998

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Sanders can likely only win a brokered convention now, and edging Biden out in Texas wouldn't mean anything for electability since my home state is almost certainly voting Trump unless say 100,000 people die here from corona. And California won't matter either since any Democrat is going to dominate California.

My point was that Sanders is not out of the primary race. Him winning TX and CA is why. What projections we can make to the general election based on those victories is not the point.

Based on what I'm seeing from the early CA results, Bloomberg basically stole the state from Biden with his massive ad campaign.

Edit: Biden now has a 1 point lead in TX.
 

Aikouka

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So what the hell happened with Warren? She smoked Biden in 3 debates and almost single handedly destroyed Bloomberg. She is arguably the smartest candidate still in the race. She has both practical centrist experience and progressive chops when it comes to going after the banks and 1%ers. She got critical endorsements from establishment media (NYT) and progressive grassroots orgs (Indivisible).

My guess is it all goes back to this stupid “electability” test—and I think way too many voters just see her as another woman bound to lose to Trump. The only demographic she won with was older post-grad educated whites. I guess America really doesn’t like/doesn’t trust smart people in government for some reason—I’m struggling to think of a good reason why Bloomberg picked up more votes than Warren in nearly every state tonight.

Very disappointed in how the night went for her—she has to end her run tonight/tomorrow.

I voted for her tonight as I had no idea who else to even vote for. After this bit of news, I am not a fan of Biden. I recall during Obama's presidency when he flipped out over violent video games, and had to have a staffer pretty much tell him that studies don't support his viewpoints. Not only that, even more recent events show that he still espouses the same rhetoric on the dangerous desensitization.

Bloomberg... he has absolutely no charisma, and I can't get any sense that there's much in regard to his policy there.

In regard to Sanders, my biggest issue with him is that he likes to propose plans that attempt to tackle the end result of our nation's problems without going after the sources of said problems. It's great bumper sticker politics, but it has never seemed that realistic.
 
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sandorski

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So what the hell happened with Warren? She smoked Biden in 3 debates and almost single handedly destroyed Bloomberg. She is arguably the smartest candidate still in the race. She has both practical centrist experience and progressive chops when it comes to going after the banks and 1%ers. She got critical endorsements from establishment media (NYT) and progressive grassroots orgs (Indivisible).

My guess is it all goes back to this stupid “electability” test—and I think way too many voters just see her as another woman bound to lose to Trump. The only demographic she won with was older post-grad educated whites. I guess America really doesn’t like/doesn’t trust smart people in government for some reason—I’m struggling to think of a good reason why Bloomberg picked up more votes than Warren in nearly every state tonight.

Very disappointed in how the night went for her—she has to end her run tonight/tomorrow.

Her attempt to paint Bernie as Sexist for something she alleged he said in Private destroyed her credibility. I doubt she will endorse Bernie when she drops out, simply because she burnt that bridge too thoroughly.
 

Wreckem

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The odds of a second ballot at the convention are extremely high now. I know the Bernie people were wanting the rules changed to giving the nomination to the candidate with a plurality. Don’t think they will be asking for that anymore. I don’t think Biden will get a majority but I think he’s going to end up with the plurality. Which means it’s going to go back to the superdelegates on round 2 and the Bernie bro’s will help give Trump another term.
 

Muse

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Hmm, the presidential debates are going to be brutal this year. Neither candidate is going to be able to complete a sentence and it's going to be an policy-free insult fest between two septuagenarians.
Biden and Sanders can hold their own, don't kid yourself. Trump will have a quiver full of insults and lies.