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Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

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werepossum said:
That's exactly what I thought until Carmen set me straight. (Thanks, buddy.) It's any image that a reasonable person would recognize as the flag, with an exception for uniforms for the military, firemen, police, etc. And I have to admit that, thinking back to my childhood, no one would have worn any representation of the flag, except hippy chicks on the back pocket. (That brings back some good memories!) Personally I too am fine (in fact, more than fine) with flag tee shirts, but that's preference; Carmen actually knows the flag etiquette.
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I'd like to see a link to support this. It defies common sense though as it suggests Olympics athletes are disrespecting the flag by having it on their jerseys.

And in any case, this is not about the school being worried about flag etiquette. We all know this is about Mexicans actually try to impose their culture OVER American culture on American soil (and maybe some idiot administrator). It's just amazing that they have the audacity to do this when Mexico is a complete shit hole. Do they purposefully want to turn this country into a shit hole too?
 
You know the ironic thing is, I wouldn't take offense if I saw any non-American flag on the 4th. I'd proudly display mine and go about my business unless they were otherwise disruptive. People need to grow up, and more than a few minorities need to remove the racial stick they continually shove up their ass when faced with a little hardship (and a flag on a t-shirt doesn't even come close to that).
 
Infohawk said:
I'd like to see a link to support this. It defies common sense though as it suggests Olympics athletes are disrespecting the flag by having it on their jerseys.

And in any case, this is not about the school being worried about flag etiquette. We all know this is about Mexicans actually try to impose their culture OVER American culture on American soil (and maybe some idiot administrator). It's just amazing that they have the audacity to do this when Mexico is a complete shit hole. Do they purposefully want to turn this country into a shit hole too?
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Most likely, Olympic uniforms would fall under the category of "patriotic attire" that is allowed. See my other posts for links.
 
IMHO, everyone are at fault here. Forcing the white students that adorned American flags out of school is wrong on the Latino students & the school administration part, however the flag wavers didn't have to wear the flag prints clothing & bandannas on their head to incite hates & fights (turf war).

IMHO, those punks are just looking for a fight and are now playing the patriotic card.
 
Infohawk said:
I'd like to see a link to support this. It defies common sense though as it suggests Olympics athletes are disrespecting the flag by having it on their jerseys.

And in any case, this is not about the school being worried about flag etiquette. We all know this is about Mexicans actually try to impose their culture OVER American culture on American soil (and maybe some idiot administrator). It's just amazing that they have the audacity to do this when Mexico is a complete shit hole. Do they purposefully want to turn this country into a shit hole too?
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It maybe so, however those punks wore American flag bandannas hinting it as a defiance/inciting hates/violent, and as said by my previous post...turf war.
 
iGas said:
IMHO, everyone are at fault here. Forcing the white students that adorned American flags out of school is wrong on the Latino students & the school administration part, however the flag wavers didn't have to wear the flag prints clothing & bandannas on their head to incite hates & fights (turf war).

IMHO, those punks are just looking for a fight and are now playing the patriotic card.
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Even if this is true (and you are making a pretty big assumption there), then the Hispanic population should be the bigger people and not allow themselves to be provoked. The fact that this was even a concern shows how immature the Hispanics involved are, and questions the maturity of the flag-waving kids.
 
irishScott said:
Even if this is true (and you are making a pretty big assumption there), then the Hispanic population should be the bigger people and not allow themselves to be provoked. The fact that this was even a concern shows how immature the Hispanics involved are, and questions the maturity of the flag-waving kids.
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I'm sure that the majority of Hispanic & American Whites are more than mature enough to ignore the bait, however there are a few unstable people that are looking for something to fight over. Hence, the school administration stepped in to prevent possible fights/riots.

PS. How many people have you seen wears American bandanna to school, and have you seen the short that one of the punk had on?

I find it is a disgrace, that the American flag was use on a pair of tacky short that one of the punk had on, and I'm not an American.
 
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iGas said:
I'm sure that the majority of Hispanic & American Whites are more than mature enough to ignore the bait, however there are a few unstable people that are looking for something to fight over. Hence, the school administration stepped in to prevent possible fights/riots.
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There are always a few unstable people looking for something to fight over, and they probably would have found something anyway. Accommodating the violent minority to stop one day of potential fights doesn't solve anything. We have laws to deal with criminal actions, such as assault. Free speech, regardless of how offensive, is not a criminal action.
 
iGas said:
PS. How many people have you seen wears American bandanna to school, and have you seen the short that one of the punk had on?

I find it is a disgrace, that the American flag was use on a pair of tacky short that one of the punk had on, and I'm not an American.
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Actually I have, having been brought up through US public schools. Especially on the anniversaries of 9/11 and other patriotic holidays. Wasn't exactly common, but hardly unheard of. Wouldn't have been given a second glance. Yes I think it was tacky, but they obviously didn't, and it's their right to display it as they see fit. Hardly disrespectful or disgraceful.
 
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Wow. That principal really dropped the ball, out of short term expediency and fear.

The "teaching opportunity" here would have been for the teachers and school administration to have sat down with the Mexican-American kids and have helped them to understand that there is NO day when the flag of their country, America, stands for disrespect to any American's "cultural heritage", including theirs, and that freedom of expression, one of the great "cultural heritages" of the United States of America, means freedom of expression for all, no exceptions and includes them.
 
I'll add that I totally take the informative points of Carmen813's discourse regarding proper flag etiquette.

Personally, I have never been completely comfortable with people casually wearing the flag as a fucking fashion accessory, though I also believe our hallowed American right of free expression gives them that very American right to do so.
 
Perknose said:
I'll add that I totally take the informative points of Carmen813's discourse regarding proper flag etiquette.

Personally, I have never been completely comfortable with people casually wearing the flag as a fucking fashion accessory, though I also believe our hallowed American right of free expression gives them that very American right to do so.
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Yep. Being brought up "old school" it's something we wouldn't have done when I was their age.
 
irishScott said:
Even if this is true (and you are making a pretty big assumption there), then the Hispanic population should be the bigger people and not allow themselves to be provoked. The fact that this was even a concern shows how immature the Hispanics involved are, and questions the maturity of the flag-waving kids.
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Last time I checked, those 'Hispanics' are still Americans, and there isn't a GOD DAMNED THING WRONG with wearing an AMERICAN flag to AMERICAN school. I don't care if its Cinco de Mayonnaise or any other holiday.

The whomever supported and carried out this travesty shoud be fired. Period.
 
WhipperSnapper said:
Here is a link to Live Oak High School where you can find the principal's email address in case you want to give him a piece of your mind:

http://liveoakhs.ca.campusgrid.net/home/About+Live+Oak/Principal's+Message
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Here is the principle himself!

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I think if he had a crown he'd look like the Burger King. Do you suppose...?

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Well I emailed the principle as follows.

Subject: As you have probably heard...

...people aren't particularly happy about your decision to force the removal of flags portrayed on tee-shirts. Being "old school" myself I consider wearing a flag to be tacky at best. When I was of high school age, it wasn't done. Nevertheless, in a country where reasonable freedom of expression is permitted, I accept the right of people to do so. Unless there was evidence of provocation beyond what is in the news, the decision to enforce your personal morality on them was inappropriate at best.

Now I believe that getting up and walking out of class would clearly warrant strict discipline. Since students at your school have done just that, I trust that those who did so will be receive proportional behavioral correction, considering that such action was clearly "incendiary" and no doubt truly violates school policy.

The nation awaits with bated breath to hear of justice done.

Regards.
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Hey, I didn't flip out 😀
 
Perknose said:
Wow. That principal really dropped the ball, out of short term expediency and fear.

The "teaching opportunity" here would have been for the teachers and school administration to have sat down with the Mexican-American kids and have helped them to understand that there is NO day when the flag of their country, America, stands for disrespect to any American's "cultural heritage", including theirs, and that freedom of expression, one of the great "cultural heritages" of the United States of America, means freedom of expression for all, no exceptions and includes them.
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"Mexican-American" ?
🙄

How about "American". sheesh you liberals are quite a piece of work. Hispanic or other designation would be better but American is American - no hyphen required.

/rant mode


The rest of the post is :thumbsup:
 
Perknose said:
Wow. That principal really dropped the ball, out of short term expediency and fear.

The "teaching opportunity" here would have been for the teachers and school administration to have sat down with the Mexican-American kids and have helped them to understand that there is NO day when the flag of their country, America, stands for disrespect to any American's "cultural heritage", including theirs, and that freedom of expression, one of the great "cultural heritages" of the United States of America, means freedom of expression for all, no exceptions and includes them.
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:thumbsup:
 
iGas said:
It maybe so, however those punks wore American flag bandannas hinting it as a defiance/inciting hates/violent, and as said by my previous post...turf war.
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wrong. those kids wear American flag attire nearly everyday to school the 5th of may was just another day to them. They DID NOT wake the morning of the 5th and say "hey its cinco de meyo,lets start a bunch of shit with the spicks and wear American flags to school"
 
CADsortaGUY said:
"Mexican-American" ?
🙄

How about "American". sheesh you liberals are quite a piece of work. Hispanic or other designation would be better but American is American - no hyphen required.

/rant mode


The rest of the post is :thumbsup:
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I'm Italian-American, and that's how I've describe myself for as long as I can remember. How is this a liberal thing to do? It's fairly common from what I know. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging your families heritage.

You need to chillout.
 
Infohawk said:
no one would have worn any representation of the flag, except hippy chicks on the back pocket. (That brings back some good memories!)
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yea me too. Nothing would piss my dad (WWII vet) off faster than seeing a hippie with the flag sewn on the back pocket. i remember asking him as a kid why that made him so mad and he said its because they put it there to protest the Vietnam war by sitting on it.
 
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