So what do Christians think of Muslims and Hindus?

[Anubis]

I believe that it doesn?t matter at all what you believe, as long as you keep those beliefs to yourself, only sharing them in a civilized discussion where you aren?t judging or pushing your beliefs on others
we all become worm food in the end, if believing in X or Y helps you get through the day, that?s awesome, good for you, just keep that to yourself and all will be fine

 

[Vonkhan]

flying spaghetti monster REPRESENT YO!!!

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Anubis
i beleive that it doesnt matter at all what you beleive, as long as you keep those beleifs to yourself, only sharing them in a civilized ciscussion where you arnt judgeing or pushing your beleifs on others
we all become worm food in the end, if beleiving in X or Y helps you get through the day, thats awsome, good for you, just keep that to yourself and all will be fine

That would almost be intelligent if it wasn't for the spelling and grammar.

 

[Banzai042]

As a Christian I believe that Muhammad was a false prophet who rejected Jesus as the messiah and savior, but still preached worship of the same God that Christians worship. Therefore I believe that Muslims worship the same God that I do, but their ideas on how to worship him and how to get to heaven are different. However I am not entirely sure that any sort of blanket statement that "All Muslims are going to hell" is possible from a Christian perspective. Everything I know about how to get to heaven comes from the bible, so I don't know exactly how God determines things. The bible says that only those who have accepted God's forgiveness for their sins can get into heaven, maybe some Muslims truly have accepted God's forgiveness and will spend eternity with God in Heaven, just like it's possible that some people that call themselves Christians have not done this, and will unfortunately don't end up in heaven.
My belief is that it's not what religion you are that matters, but your relationship with God that matters. It just so happens that the different religions preach different ideas about what form that relationship should take.

Originally posted by: Anubis
i beleive that it doesnt matter at all what you beleive, as long as you keep those beleifs to yourself, only sharing them in a civilized ciscussion where you arnt judgeing or pushing your beleifs on others
we all become worm food in the end, if beleiving in X or Y helps you get through the day, thats awsome, good for you, just keep that to yourself and all will be fine

Here's the thing with that: My belief is that if you choose to reject God then you will end up with a very unpleasant eternity. While there are probably members of every religion that push it on other people for their own gain, they are far from the majority. Christians largely believe that they need to tell other people about God because they don't want those people to go to hell. I have a few friends that I truly wish believed in God, because I care about them and don't want to see that happen to them.
As for the argument that so many people make about how God is cruel because he "sends people to hell," here's an analogy that sums up the views of many Christians:
A murderer is sentenced to life in jail, but after the sentencing the judge says "If you ask, your crime will be forgiven, and you will go free, do you want that?" Suppose the murderer chose to reject that offer, why is he in jail? Is it because the judge sent him there, or because he chose not to accept the offer that would let him go free?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Vonkhan
flying spaghetti monster REPRESENT YO!!!

I have been touched by his noodly appendage.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Anubis
i beleive that it doesnt matter at all what you beleive, as long as you keep those beleifs to yourself, only sharing them in a civilized ciscussion where you arnt judgeing or pushing your beleifs on others
we all become worm food in the end, if beleiving in X or Y helps you get through the day, thats awsome, good for you, just keep that to yourself and all will be fine

That would almost be intelligent if it wasn't for the spelling and grammar.

spelling dissability FTW

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Anubis
i beleive that it doesnt matter at all what you beleive, as long as you keep those beleifs to yourself, only sharing them in a civilized ciscussion where you arnt judgeing or pushing your beleifs on others
we all become worm food in the end, if beleiving in X or Y helps you get through the day, thats awsome, good for you, just keep that to yourself and all will be fine

That would almost be intelligent if it wasn't for the spelling and grammar.

spelling dissability FTW

Psst... it's "disability"...

 

[narcotic]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Anubis
i beleive that it doesnt matter at all what you beleive, as long as you keep those beleifs to yourself, only sharing them in a civilized ciscussion where you arnt judgeing or pushing your beleifs on others
we all become worm food in the end, if beleiving in X or Y helps you get through the day, thats awsome, good for you, just keep that to yourself and all will be fine

That would almost be intelligent if it wasn't for the spelling and grammar.

While his post may be "almost" intelligent your comment is almost not retarded.



To stay on topic, after reading some of this thread, I want to mention, though some already have, that Christians, Muslims & Jews all believe in the same god, and the three acknowledge each other, namely Christianity & Judaism which are very tightly coupled.
Non of these religions acknowledges or accepts any other religions as being legit, they all look down on anyone else, anyone telling you anything else is plane wrong.

Out of the three, Muslim is the newest one, and what most Muslims don't know is that Muhammad when he started his career as a prophet first went to the Jews and offered them to be their leader in return to them accepting him as god's messenger and believing in him. When the Jews were done laughing they told him he can go **** himself, he didn't take it very personally, but instead he went out, convinced some local tribes to join him and believe in him, so he formed an army and then he invented "Jihad" sounds familiar anyone...? Next he went and murdered most of the Jews who denied him before..

A little OT, but still interesting imho.

 

[kinev]

Originally posted by: zach0624

Originally posted by: zanejohnson

Originally posted by: OdiN
They worship a false god.

And their religion is very violent. I have even seen videos where people who have proclaimed that they want peace and that the Muslim faith is a peaceful one, preach hate and violence against others.

There is even the belief that even the "peaceful" and law-abiding Muslims are only being that way in order to be accepted and gain access to other countries in order to attack them from the inside.

I don't know about Hindus being this way - or why you're comparing the two.

wow, that's a really close minded view.

I have to agree with zane here (I am a christian) and from what I have read on the muslim religion it is not inteded to be a violent religion (I think islam means peace, might be something like faith too not sure) and that the violence is just a radical interpretation made by few and projected onto all. And also islam is also supposed to be very accepting to christianity and judaism.

And on the topic of the similarity of judaism, chritianity, and islam they all worship the same god. and huduism is monotheistic (I think they belive in different forms of their deity, since god isn't an accurate discription)

I'm not too sure about that....

from At-Tauba ("The Repentance"):

9:5 "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

9:29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."


from Muhammad:

47:4 "Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost."

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: Jhill
Do they think all these billions of people were just brain washed and ignorant?

Why do these other people worship their god just as much or probably more than Christians?

I am NOT trying to start a fight, but why do billions of people worship a god, but you think your god is the true one?

God is an issue completely void of empiricism. There is no scientific evidence entwined within faith and there never will be scientifically logical explanations for God. A person curious of this topic must make decisions based on his own convictions and be willing to venture outside of conventionally accepted modes of thought. Approaching the God question through hard science will lead you no where.

A person that comes to the conclusion that there must be some divine being in existence has only taken the first step in his personal journey. There are many, many religious beliefs (around 36,000 I believe) that are permeated throughout the globe. As much empiricism is involved in choosing the "right" God as there is scientific proof or disproof of such a being. Finding an answer to this question is again a thing that must be approached individually.

When, by faith and personal reasoning, a resolution is obtained; truth, relative to that faith only, is revealed, often in the form of writing, to the believer. Nearly all religious scriptures dictate that the credenda that it contains provide the only flawless truths. Christians believe in the God described in the Bible as the singular diety, while Muslims believe in Allah (God) as the same. Therefore, there is conflict between the two (amongst many others) as doctrines collide and contradict each other.

Christians do believe that non-believers are unknowing of the truth and vice versa. Brainwashed ignorance is not an accurate term at all, as anyone is perfectly capable of following the "wrong" religion having made their own decisions (in contrast to being taught what to believe). I, for instance, believe that the Biblical God is the only true God and that all others are false (although I respect other beliefs). I'm sure this will be offensive to everyone else who disagrees, but what use is my faith if I don't believe what I believe?

 

[antyler]

i think they are just normal human beings like everyone else. Some beliefs and practices may be on the extreme/moral edge, but they deserve God's love just like anyone else.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: zach0624

Originally posted by: zanejohnson

Originally posted by: OdiN
They worship a false god.

And their religion is very violent. I have even seen videos where people who have proclaimed that they want peace and that the Muslim faith is a peaceful one, preach hate and violence against others.

There is even the belief that even the "peaceful" and law-abiding Muslims are only being that way in order to be accepted and gain access to other countries in order to attack them from the inside.

I don't know about Hindus being this way - or why you're comparing the two.

wow, that's a really close minded view.

I have to agree with zane here (I am a christian) and from what I have read on the muslim religion it is not inteded to be a violent religion (I think islam means peace, might be something like faith too not sure) and that the violence is just a radical interpretation made by few and projected onto all. And also islam is also supposed to be very accepting to christianity and judaism.

And on the topic of the similarity of judaism, chritianity, and islam they all worship the same god. and huduism is monotheistic (I think they belive in different forms of their deity, since god isn't an accurate discription)

I'm not too sure about that....

from At-Tauba ("The Repentance"):

9:5 "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

9:29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."


from Muhammad:

47:4 "Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost."

heh yea islam means peace is a bit of that goold ol 1984 double think.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Because

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

I love that movie.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
heh yea islam means peace is a bit of that goold ol 1984 double think.

It's interesting to see the establishment accusing the anti-establishment as using 'double-think' now. It doesn't work that way. The mere suggestion that the anti-establishment is using double think is, in fact, double think intended to confuse and obfuscate.

Go ahead and say that you believe that islam is about hate and murder, but at least keep off the Orwell. He doesn't like you:

Collection of essays, specifically "politics and the english language"
http://www.amazon.com/Collecti...&qid=1200345740&sr=1-1

Some newer and more disturbing analysis:
http://www.amazon.com/What-Orw...&qid=1200345674&sr=1-4

 

[Fritzo]

Christians have tolerence for other religions (which is why the pope meets with other religious leaders frequently). To each his own.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Christians have tolerence for other religions (which is why the pope meets with other religious leaders frequently). To each his own.

Sure they do (at least post-inquisition), they just believe everyone else is eternally damned to hell.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Christians have tolerence for other religions (which is why the pope meets with other religious leaders frequently). To each his own.

Sure they do (at least post-inquisition), they just believe everyone else is eternally damned to hell.

Not even post-inquisition. Christians are at war with pretty much everyone, including themselves.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
heh yea islam means peace is a bit of that goold ol 1984 double think.

It's interesting to see the establishment accusing the anti-establishment as using 'double-think' now. It doesn't work that way. The mere suggestion that the anti-establishment is using double think is, in fact, double think intended to confuse and obfuscate.

Go ahead and say that you believe that islam is about hate and murder, but at least keep off the Orwell. He doesn't like you:

Collection of essays, specifically "politics and the english language"
http://www.amazon.com/Collecti...&qid=1200345740&sr=1-1

Some newer and more disturbing analysis:
http://www.amazon.com/What-Orw...&qid=1200345674&sr=1-4

"The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them . . . . To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies ? all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth."

what orwell thinks beyond that is frankly irrelevant. picking and choosing of ideas is what is possible when one isn't bound by religion.

 

[Arkaign]

How bout we ask God what he thinks, because us humans are quite obviously utter fuck-ups, and zero authority on anything much other than blowing shit up and raping each other and anything we can get ahold of.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Banzai042
...
My belief is that it's not what religion you are that matters, but your relationship with God that matters. It just so happens that the different religions preach different ideas about what form that relationship should take.

...

Here's the thing with that: My belief is that if you choose to reject God then you will end up with a very unpleasant eternity. While there are probably members of every religion that push it on other people for their own gain, they are far from the majority. Christians largely believe that they need to tell other people about God because they don't want those people to go to hell. I have a few friends that I truly wish believed in God, because I care about them and don't want to see that happen to them.

What about people raised in societies which have never heard of the Christian deity? What about people who lived before Jesus was born? Are they all going to Hell, too?

As for the argument that so many people make about how God is cruel because he "sends people to hell," here's an analogy that sums up the views of many Christians:
A murderer is sentenced to life in jail, but after the sentencing the judge says "If you ask, your crime will be forgiven, and you will go free, do you want that?" Suppose the murderer chose to reject that offer, why is he in jail? Is it because the judge sent him there, or because he chose not to accept the offer that would let him go free?

Except that God has had his perfect plan in existence since the instant of Creation - he knows how it's going to turn out, no matter what. Thus any of the "free" choices we make were already determined and known, by God, at the instant of Creation.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
What about people raised in societies which have never heard of the Christian deity? What about people who lived before Jesus was born? Are they all going to Hell, too?

You will never get an answer to that question which will satisfy you. At least I haven't.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Jeff7
What about people raised in societies which have never heard of the Christian deity? What about people who lived before Jesus was born? Are they all going to Hell, too?

You will never get an answer to that question which will satisfy you. At least I haven't.

That's like asking why God aided and abetted his hand-chosen representatives in their 2000 year long campaign to molest as many little boys as possible. Since the wanna-believers can't come up with an answer you're a troll for bringing it up.

Rule #1 of religion: Don't ask questions that the fairy tales don't account for. If you do you're an infidel or a heretic.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

I thought one of the foundations in Christianity is not to judge others?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Jeff7
What about people raised in societies which have never heard of the Christian deity? What about people who lived before Jesus was born? Are they all going to Hell, too?

You will never get an answer to that question which will satisfy you. At least I haven't.

That's like asking why God aided and abetted his hand-chosen representatives in their 2000 year long campaign to molest as many little boys as possible. Since the wanna-believers can't come up with an answer you're a troll for bringing it up.

Rule #1 of religion: Don't ask questions that the fairy tales don't account for. If you do you're an infidel or a heretic.

I was never called an infidel or heretic for asking Christians this question. I just never received a satisfying answer. I got a lot of stuttering and avoiding the issue. I had one missionary tell me that "it's one of God's mysteries". Obviously that didn't do it for me. I asked him about children who die before they are old enough to accept Christ, but the question is really the same thing.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Banzai042
...
My belief is that it's not what religion you are that matters, but your relationship with God that matters. It just so happens that the different religions preach different ideas about what form that relationship should take.

...

Here's the thing with that: My belief is that if you choose to reject God then you will end up with a very unpleasant eternity. While there are probably members of every religion that push it on other people for their own gain, they are far from the majority. Christians largely believe that they need to tell other people about God because they don't want those people to go to hell. I have a few friends that I truly wish believed in God, because I care about them and don't want to see that happen to them.

What about people raised in societies which have never heard of the Christian deity? What about people who lived before Jesus was born? Are they all going to Hell, too?

That, like so many things in religion, depends. Jesus descended into Hades upon his death, and in leaving he took the righteous to another place. So, those that have faith in God survived Hades, and those that didn't were forever condemned.

That's how I've always understood it, but it's all so vague. What about the children post-Christ that aren't saved? Well, St. Augustine had this lovely idea of a "limbo" for such people. So many exceptions to the inerrant word of God that I can't keep up.

As for the argument that so many people make about how God is cruel because he "sends people to hell," here's an analogy that sums up the views of many Christians:
A murderer is sentenced to life in jail, but after the sentencing the judge says "If you ask, your crime will be forgiven, and you will go free, do you want that?" Suppose the murderer chose to reject that offer, why is he in jail? Is it because the judge sent him there, or because he chose not to accept the offer that would let him go free?

Except that God has had his perfect plan in existence since the instant of Creation - he knows how it's going to turn out, no matter what. Thus any of the "free" choices we make were already determined and known, by God, at the instant of Creation.

As you implied, it's free will. A lot of people believe in very different aspects of free will (or not at all), but it's the little idea that "solves" all of these questions.