So, does the 7950GX2 count as a single card solution?

[Kalessian]

Is a double-quarter-pounder w/ cheese still a single burger solution?

Maybe.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Kalessian
Is a double-quarter-pounder w/ cheese still a single burger solution?

Maybe.

Hmm good question, well since the "burger flipper" sees the it as "another" burger so he can "ID" it properly, and distribute ketchup to it.

The burger is actually a single solution with 2 sources to receive it's double-quarter-pounder w/cheese status. but it is still a single solution with 2 patties.


Yeah my answer doesn't make much sense, sorry Kalessian. But I did my best by paraphrasing boogerking (who fell on his head and was relegated to the shortbus as a kid).

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Kalessian
Is a double-quarter-pounder w/ cheese still a single burger solution?

Maybe.

Hmm good question, well since the "burger flipper" sees the it as "another" burger so he can "ID" it properly, and distribute ketchup to it.

The burger is actually a single solution with 2 sources to receive it's double-quarter-pounder w/cheese status. but it is still a single solution with 2 patties.


Yeah my answer doesn't make much sense, sorry Kalessian. But I did my best by paraphrasing boogerking (who fell on his head and was relegated to the shortbus as a kid).

Hehe, thanks for that. I needed the laugh cause it wears you out arguing with begger. I was hoping he'd make a thread called "Thilan29's knowledge in computer" and go spout off in that.

 

[Rangoric]

I'm going with 1.5 card solution.I'd love to say 1 card solution but it has that darn SLI issue with 2 monitors.

I'd love an option for this card to have 1 monitor be powered by one of the "cards" while the other uses the other card.

Then I'd consider it. But as it is now, I'd be paying for "2 cards" and only really getting 1 (when using 2 monitors) and 2 when using 1.

At least with SLI when I turn off SLI the second card is allowed to work on its own monitor.

...I hope for a day when SLI/Crossfire doesn't take away features to add more power.

Although I am wondering how long it will take a someone to use the PCIe switch for 2 GTX's with their own ports? Or for someone to overclock this card lol.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: Rangoric
I'm going with 1.5 card solution.I'd love to say 1 card solution but it has that darn SLI issue with 2 monitors.

I'd love an option for this card to have 1 monitor be powered by one of the "cards" while the other uses the other card.

Then I'd consider it. But as it is now, I'd be paying for "2 cards" and only really getting 1 (when using 2 monitors) and 2 when using 1.

At least with SLI when I turn off SLI the second card is allowed to work on its own monitor.

...I hope for a day when SLI/Crossfire doesn't take away features to add more power.

Although I am wondering how long it will take a someone to use the PCIe switch for 2 GTX's with their own ports? Or for someone to overclock this card lol.

I'm wondering how long it will take for someone to voltmod one of these and give it the performance equivalent of 2x7900GTXs for 60% of the price ($1000 vs. $600 MSRP)

 

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: Kalessian
Is a double-quarter-pounder w/ cheese still a single burger solution?

Maybe.

Burger is to slot as pattie is to card.

A double-quarter-pounder w/cheese is a two pattie solution in a single burger.

A 7950GX2 is a two card solution in a single slot. (call it a daughter card if you want, it is still a card)

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking
Therefore, BFG's idea of "because software uses SLI, its not a pure single slot carf" is invalid.

very much the same as dual-core being single socket, 7950gx2 is a single slot card. Software has nothing to do with the hardware.

BFG never said that the card wasn't a "single slot" card. He just said that the software recognized it as 2 GPUS...how's that wrong?? Don't you NEED the software to run the card as it was intended??

And you're claiming software has nothing to do with hardware?? Have fun staring at your computer and hoping it will do anything. Without the software, hardware goes nowhere.

Thilan, just about every piece of computer hardware, save the PSU and case, needs software to run as intended. You take a standard X1900 or a 7900, they need software to run as intended. As does a 7950GX2.

What happens when you install a new X1900 or 7900 etc. etc. in a freshly built PC, but do not install drivers for them? You're a smart lad, you tell me.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: thilan29

Umm...not sure if you're agreeing with me or what...but I said exactly what you just said. Beggerking stated there is nothing "physically related" between hardware and software and I just said that you NEED the software to run the hardware...which is what you're implying too right?...and which is what I just said. And it applies to the 7950GX2 also. WIthout the proper SLI drivers and profiles it doesn't work properly...and it does work as a dual gpu card with the proper SLI drivers.

it actually does work properly even without data feed into it..it'll just be working on empty data..

software sees it as "another" GPU so it can "ID" it properly, and distribute data to it. software sees it as a place to output data.

the hardware is actually a single solution with 2 sources to receive data. but it is still a single solution with 2 inputs.

By that logic a normal SLI setup is also a single card solution. ANd when I say "works properly" I mean can you play games with it. What's the point of buying that card if all you're going to be doing is working with "empty data" as you said.

And now your argument has changed to "single solution". So what is it?? "Single card solution", "Single slot solution" , or "single solution"??

Software don't see single/multi cards, it only sees inputs/outputs. Software is completely irrelevant to hardware specs.

hardware-wise, 7950gx2 is a single slot solution , as well as being a single card solution. The only difference between 1900xt and 7950gx2 is that 1900xt has a single input source, 7950 gx2 has 2 input sources.

normal sli uses 2 slots and each with its own single input source.

Joker: stop threadcrapping, this conversation is not of your level to comprehend.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking
Therefore, BFG's idea of "because software uses SLI, its not a pure single slot carf" is invalid.

very much the same as dual-core being single socket, 7950gx2 is a single slot card. Software has nothing to do with the hardware.

BFG never said that the card wasn't a "single slot" card. He just said that the software recognized it as 2 GPUS...how's that wrong?? Don't you NEED the software to run the card as it was intended??

And you're claiming software has nothing to do with hardware?? Have fun staring at your computer and hoping it will do anything. Without the software, hardware goes nowhere.

Thilan, just about every piece of computer hardware, save the PSU and case, needs software to run as intended. You take a standard X1900 or a 7900, they need software to run as intended. As does a 7950GX2.

What happens when you install a new X1900 or 7900 etc. etc. in a freshly built PC, but do not install drivers for them? You're a smart lad, you tell me.

Yeah I know...this is exactly what I was saying...is my post worded incorrectly or something?? I read my post several times and it says the same thing to me..I don't know how I could word it differently.

As I said I agreed with BFG when he said the software will recognize it as a dual GPU card...that's all I was saying...

Beggerking started on the path of saying software has nothing to do with hardware...I was just presenting an argument to the contrary.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: beggerking
hardware-wise, 7950gx2 is a single slot solution , as well as being a single card solution. The only difference between 1900xt and 7950gx2 is that 1900xt has a single input source, 7950 gx2 has 2 input sources.

normal sli uses 2 slots and each with its own single input source.

Joker: stop threadcrapping, this conversation is not of your level to comprehend.

And what are those inputs Begger?? They are called GPUs...(ie.) the software will see TWO "inputs" as you like to call them.

 

[Kalessian]

Originally posted by: SilentRunning

Originally posted by: Kalessian
Is a double-quarter-pounder w/ cheese still a single burger solution?

Maybe.

Burger is to slot as pattie is to card.

A double-quarter-pounder w/cheese is a two pattie solution in a single burger.

A 7950GX2 is a two card solution in a single slot. (call it a daughter card if you want, it is still a card)

I dunno. I clearly see two burgers.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking
Therefore, BFG's idea of "because software uses SLI, its not a pure single slot carf" is invalid.

very much the same as dual-core being single socket, 7950gx2 is a single slot card. Software has nothing to do with the hardware.

BFG never said that the card wasn't a "single slot" card. He just said that the software recognized it as 2 GPUS...how's that wrong?? Don't you NEED the software to run the card as it was intended??

And you're claiming software has nothing to do with hardware?? Have fun staring at your computer and hoping it will do anything. Without the software, hardware goes nowhere.

Thilan, just about every piece of computer hardware, save the PSU and case, needs software to run as intended. You take a standard X1900 or a 7900, they need software to run as intended. As does a 7950GX2.

What happens when you install a new X1900 or 7900 etc. etc. in a freshly built PC, but do not install drivers for them? You're a smart lad, you tell me.

Yeah I know...this is exactly what I was saying...is my post worded incorrectly or something?? I read my post several times and it says the same thing to me..I don't know how I could word it differently.

As I said I agreed with BFG when he said the software will recognize it as a dual GPU card...that's all I was saying...

Beggerking started on the path of saying software has nothing to do with hardware...I was just presenting an argument to the contrary.

Yup. Hardware is pretty much just paperweights without software to run them.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking
hardware-wise, 7950gx2 is a single slot solution , as well as being a single card solution. The only difference between 1900xt and 7950gx2 is that 1900xt has a single input source, 7950 gx2 has 2 input sources.

normal sli uses 2 slots and each with its own single input source.

Joker: stop threadcrapping, this conversation is not of your level to comprehend.

And what are those inputs Begger?? They are called GPUs...(ie.) the software will see TWO "inputs" as you like to call them.

2 GPUS != 2 cards.

 

[pacho108]

it uses one pci-e slot yes, but the damn thing runs in SLI mode
even nvidia calls it QUAD SLI when you put two of them together
dual card solution IMO

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: pacho108
it uses one pci-e slot yes, but the damn thing runs in SLI mode
even nvidia calls it QUAD SLI when you put two of them together
dual card solution IMO

Hey guys? Ya know when Gigabyte and I believe ASUS messed around with 2 6600GT's and 7800GT's on one PCB? Did that not run in SLI mode? Is that two cards as well? The only difference here my friends is that they are on two physical PCB's. Probably because it was more economical and practical instead of one HUGE PCB. Still, it uses one slot leaving the other SLI slot FREE. You cannot buy "half" of a 7950GX2 can you? It is one single product, therefore it is a single card solution. /pretty much done.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking
hardware-wise, 7950gx2 is a single slot solution , as well as being a single card solution. The only difference between 1900xt and 7950gx2 is that 1900xt has a single input source, 7950 gx2 has 2 input sources.

normal sli uses 2 slots and each with its own single input source.

Joker: stop threadcrapping, this conversation is not of your level to comprehend.

And what are those inputs Begger?? They are called GPUs...(ie.) the software will see TWO "inputs" as you like to call them.

2 GPUS != 2 cards.

And it continues....

where did I say this is 2 CARDS??(Please quote me where I said that) I never said it...I said it is still seen by software as 2 GPUs...basically agreeing with what BFG said.

I said it's single slot but dual GPU and runs just as an SLI setup would (other than the required SLI motherboard). To Windows this is an SLI setup...plain and simple.

All I'm saying is, at the best you could call this a "single slot dual GPU" card...but you can't definitively call this a "single card". ANyway, I gave my opinion...you have yours and you won't change it...it doesn't really matter what the card is called anyway.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: thilan29
And it continues....

where did I say this is 2 CARDS??(Please quote me where I said that) I never said it...I said it is still seen by software as 2 GPUs...basically agreeing with what BFG said.

I said it's single slot but dual GPU and runs just as an SLI setup would (other than the required SLI motherboard). To Windows this is an SLI setup...plain and simple.

You said its 1.5 card therefore shouldn't be compared to 1900xt in term of performance...
where is the extra .5 come from? why shouldn't this card be compared to 1900xtx?

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: beggerking
You said its 1.5 card therefore shouldn't be compared to 1900xt in term of performance...
where is the extra .5 come from? why shouldn't this card be compared to 1900xtx?

Would you like to quote me where I said that "its 1.5 card therefore shouldn't be compared to 1900xt in term of performance"?? Come on??? Find the quote. You love to make up fake quotes and put words in other people's mouths don't you?? Like when you accused Josh of the whole AEG thing when he wasn't even around?? And that wasn't the first time you misquoted/made up quotes.

 

[Keysplayr]

Oui Vey......

 

[pacho108]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: pacho108
it uses one pci-e slot yes, but the damn thing runs in SLI mode
even nvidia calls it QUAD SLI when you put two of them together
dual card solution IMO

Hey guys? Ya know when Gigabyte and I believe ASUS messed around with 2 6600GT's and 7800GT's on one PCB? Did that not run in SLI mode? Is that two cards as well? The only difference here my friends is that they are on two physical PCB's. Probably because it was more economical and practical instead of one HUGE PCB. Still, it uses one slot leaving the other SLI slot FREE. You cannot buy "half" of a 7950GX2 can you? It is one single product, therefore it is a single card solution. /pretty much done.

by "two of them together" i meant two 7950GX2s in one SLI mobo is refered by nvidia as QUAD SLI
or is it that nvidia said dell was wrong when they advertised their rebel machine with "QUAD SLI technology"
but my main point is that even if it only takes one slot it still needs sli mode to run properly

 

[m21s]

Oh this is soooooo simple.

This is a Single PCI-E (SLOT) Solution

NOT a Single card solution.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: pacho108

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: pacho108
it uses one pci-e slot yes, but the damn thing runs in SLI mode
even nvidia calls it QUAD SLI when you put two of them together
dual card solution IMO

Hey guys? Ya know when Gigabyte and I believe ASUS messed around with 2 6600GT's and 7800GT's on one PCB? Did that not run in SLI mode? Is that two cards as well? The only difference here my friends is that they are on two physical PCB's. Probably because it was more economical and practical instead of one HUGE PCB. Still, it uses one slot leaving the other SLI slot FREE. You cannot buy "half" of a 7950GX2 can you? It is one single product, therefore it is a single card solution. /pretty much done.

by "two of them together" i meant two 7950GX2s in one SLI mobo is refered by nvidia as QUAD SLI
or is it that nvidia said dell was wrong when they advertised their rebel machine with "QUAD SLI technology"
but my main point is that even if it only takes one slot it still needs sli mode to run properly

As does the Gigabyte Dual 6600GT/7800GT single PCB cards. So whats different?

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Oui Vey......

Seriously. I'll stop arguing with begger now...it leads nowhere and then he makes up fake quotes to try and argue something I wasn't even talking about. I think he loses track of who he's arguing with cause he argues with so many people in multiple threads.

Anyway, regarding the card, i don't think you can call it just a single card...multi GPU should be thrown in there. But then that is just MY opinion which is only worth 2 cents.

 

[BFG10K]

and BFG10K is wrong.

Uh no, you are.

software is required for a SLI setup so the OS can distribute data to each GPU evenly to allow parallelism, there is nothing physically related between software and hardware.

That statement is nothing more than a bunch of irrelevant rhetoric.

NV might as well tweak the SLI to allow single GPU to be used, but then that would be a waste of time since there is no need for data distribution/balancing on a single GPU.

The driver path that is invoked is the SLI driver path, not the single GPU path. SLI is a function of multiple GPUs and therefore from a software standpoint it's two cards.

I hope this further prove BFG's statement being incorrect.. software implementation DOES NOT affect hardware implementation

You keep repeating this nonsense like it has something to do with the topic at hand, which it doesn't.

If there is no relation why does the 7950GX2 need the SLI driver path to operate?
Why does it need SLI profiles to enable SLI?

If it was truly a single card it would be seamless like any other single card that has auto-load balancing across its pipelines automatically without the need for profiles or SLI activation.

It's a single card from a physical/hardware point of view but it's two cards from a software point of view which is why it needs the SLI driver path to operate.

Software don't see single/multi cards, it only sees inputs/outputs.

:roll:

More useless rhetoric in an attempt to cloud the real issue at hand.

The driver sees the card as two cards and hence invokes the SLI driver path just like it would with two single cards installed in the system.

Why do you have such difficulty understanding such a simple concept Beggerking?

 

[Rangoric]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: thilan29
And it continues....

where did I say this is 2 CARDS??(Please quote me where I said that) I never said it...I said it is still seen by software as 2 GPUs...basically agreeing with what BFG said.

I said it's single slot but dual GPU and runs just as an SLI setup would (other than the required SLI motherboard). To Windows this is an SLI setup...plain and simple.

You said its 1.5 card therefore shouldn't be compared to 1900xt in term of performance...
where is the extra .5 come from? why shouldn't this card be compared to 1900xtx?

The X1900XTX can power two monitors at its full power.

A 7950GX2 can't. It only works at half strength when dealing with 2 monitors.