Should mentally disabled people be kept alive?

[ltk007]

You people sicken me, all of you who could even consider supporting this are disgusting. Elledan, you are a disgrace to humanity.

Life is a precious gift and every human being deserves the chance to be enjoy it. To kill someone because they can't contribute to "society" is sickening to me. Because a person can't be a mindless worker in a factory doesn't mean they don't make a difference in the world. Everyone has an influence on the lives around them.

Here's new Elledan, you aren't going to change the world for the better. You are sick, insensative, and ignorant excuse for a human being and IMO and any mentally handicapped person deserves to live more than you. Its people like you that make the world such a cold and dark place where others aren't willing or able to feel compassion and help one another. You aren't helping society, no matter what you do. Am I going to come to where you live and kill you, no. Oh believe me I won't mourn you when you die, but every human deserves to live their life whether they are helping or hurting society; as long as they aren't hurting others.

 

[ScottyB_]

What kind of F'ing question is this? Of course they should be kept alive. What's next "Should all people that have an IQ less than 200 be tortured to death?" ?

 

[bobtist]

This thread scares me. It honestly makes me scared. I try not to say bad things to people, so I'll just leave it at that...

Move to China.

 

[BowDown]

This is an argument with no logical basis... None of us here is "mentally disabled" (in the context that were are discussing), and we don't know what it's like to be mentally disabled. I had once pondered this question when visiting the Phych Center that my dad works for... "Why are these people here taking up our valuble tax money?" Well there is no answer...

No one chooses to be born black, white, smart, dumb, healthy, sick, etc... Hell no one chosses to be living here period... People deserve to have what they want to have and work for. But that phrase right there only applies to the poeple that are able to make that choice. So there lies the conflict of this responce, "do they really have a choice?" No... therefore the imediate-family makes the choice for them... Not your neighbor, cousin, grandfather, buddy. It's not up to society to answer this question.

 

[Elledan]

<<Here's new Elledan, you aren't going to change the world for the better. You are sick, insensative, and ignorant excuse for a human being and IMO and any mentally handicapped person deserves to live more than you. Its people like you that make the world such a cold and dark place where others aren't willing or able to feel compassion and help one another. You aren't helping society, no matter what you do. Am I going to come to where you live and kill you, no. Oh believe me, I won't mourn you when you die, but every human deserves to live their life, whether they are helping or hurting society; as long as they aren't hurting others. >>

Sick? nope. Insensitive? nope. Ignorant? nope.

I'm actually a very friendly and nice person. I won't do any harm to anyone. But fact is that I try to think logical and unbiased without basing my thoughts, opinions etc. on man-made ethics, which by the way have been changing constantly through history.

I see that Humanity is coming closer to its doom every day. Problem is that Humans have the fascinating ability to ignore things that are important and concentrate instead on things that are a waste of time.

GirlFriday, I do consider people who are seriously mentally handicapped/disabled to be useless once they can not function any longer in society. Not like something 'icky', but just useless, not worth to take a second look at.

I do take the Borg-icon quite serious. My ultimate dream is to become a total artificial being, for I see this body, this organism, which holds the intelligence that is me, only as a tool to accomplish that 'dream'.

It is true that I do not share some 'common' emotions, at least not in some situations. Emotions like love, greed, fear and multiple other desires are constantly being suppressed by me so that they will not hinder me by making judgements.

I see that my opinions are not appreciated. However, keep in mind that they are, for a Human, totally unbiased and objective.
I could go on for hours, telling all of my thougths, conclusions on various topics, but I don't think that the time is right. Maybe in a few thousand years when there will be more artificial beings than carbon-based life-forms on this planet my thoughts will be accepted.

 

[Optimus]

I have a massive urge to post what I really want to here, but I'm testing out Michael's advice from another thread.

But I'm this close... :|


Let me just say one thing: My sister has Cerebral Palsy. She is the most wonderful, kind-hearted, funny person I know.

I am so freaking furious right now I could put my fist through my monitor.


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[bobtist]

<<Insensitive? Nope.>>

<<Emotions like love, greed, fear and multiple other desires are constantly being suppressed by me so that they will not hinder me by making judgements.>>

You are a sick joke.

edit: toned down emotional language

 

[Yeeny]

GirlFriday, I do consider people who are seriously mentally handicapped/disabled to be useless once they can not function any longer in society. Not like something 'icky', but just useless, not worth to take a second look at

And I consider you inhumane and heartless, to speak of any living thing that way. Now I am done with this thread, because it is only angering and upsetting to me to read anymore of this.

 

[ltk007]

<< Ignorant? nope. >>


Obviously the ignorant are ignorant of their own ignorance. That or you are just plain stupid.


<< Maybe in a few thousand years when there will be more artificial beings than carbon-based life-forms on this planet my thoughts will be accepted. >>


I'm beginning to think you are just plain stupid. What are you like 10?



People like you make me sick. I thank God that the majority of people in this world aren't like you.

 

[Elledan]

Being insensitive has nothing to do with emotions. It's much alike ignoring things. You just choose what to react on.

I don't ignore anything and try to react on anything as objective as possible.

Calling me a 'sick joke' won't help. You'll have to provide a better description, supported by either evidence or some reasoning, but if we start calling each other names at this point, I would call most of you 'narrow-minded, ignorant and seriously biased people'. I fear that most of you are controlled by desires, like the majority of Humanity.

 

[narzy]

you said you did not want to start a war here, but you make comments that would upset almost everybody. the way you are thinking about this is scum. stupid and outright wrong, the people you see drooling on themselves in wheelchairs could be one of the smartest people in the world! what is their benifit to society? by living and being studied we may beable to prevent what happened to them in the future? if we did not have errors in birth or tragic accedents that left people brain damaged our medical research could only go so far.

as far as you hpkeeper your sick!

 

[DABANSHEE]

Actually its quite normal unofficial practice, when full on vegatables are born &amp; its obvious that the parents wish would be to Euthenise it (if it was legal), then they just stick the vegetable in a out of the way part of the hospital on sedation &amp; without nourishment till it dies itself. Afterall the medical staff can't force feed it without the parents permission or a court order &amp; a the process of getting a court order can take weeks if one isnt in a hurry to get one - Is it the hospital's fault that the vegetable died before the court order for force feeding was done - well that's how hospitals cover themselves..

Mind you there's a big difference to someone who's born a vegetable &amp; someone who's mentally/physically disabled or metally ill.

Most of these cases arn't black or white, they are shades of grey.

 

[~zonker~]

Emotions like love, greed, fear and multiple other desires are constantly being suppressed by me so that they will not hinder me by making judgements.

This is paty of your bias, rejecting your humanity rather than dealing with it. Will you find Nirvana through logic?

&quot;I see that my opinions are not appreciated. However, keep in mind that they are, for a Human, totally unbiased and objective.

This is impossible, all opinions are biased, no matter how objective you make think you are being...

 

[ltk007]

Tell me elledan, what is the cause of our bias? Why would we be the ignorant ones when you clearly have little or no experience with mentally handicapped people?

What would you like to be called elledan? I wasn't thinking sick joke myself, I was thinking something along the lines of inhumane dumbfvck without a clue.

I don't live my life for the progress of mankind or for logic, I don't live my life to buy better things and live in a better house, I live my life for my happiness and the happiness of those I care about. I live my life to fulfill my desires so that I can appreciate every day of being alive. You are the ignorant one if you can't understand that.

 

[GANJAMAN]

drugz give you brain damage....hmm

 

[Elledan]

<<And I consider you inhumane and heartless, to speak of any living thing that way. Now I am done with this thread, because it is only angering and upsetting to me to read anymore of this. >>

Inhumane? Yes, I would wish that. Most Humans deserve to be exterminated by some alien species.

I'd rather see this planet being inhabited by AI's than by Humans, for they lend themselves only for one thing: destruction. Destruction of whole species. Destruction of their own environment. Destruction of the planet they live on.
You Humans who talk so proudly of themselves, how smart you are and how intelligent manage to destroy the one thing that keeps them alive: this planet. If that isn't an example of ignorance, stupidity and more worse things, then I wouldn't know what is.

If that's considered to be Human, then I'd rather not be a part of it, or like some in this thread said: &quot;it makes me sick&quot;.

Yes, GirlFriday, you too are one of those proud Humans. While bashing people who have realized that things are seriously wrong, you've only showed that you haven't got a clue what is beyond those fancy rules called 'ethics'.

Now if you'll excuse me, I must go now to my alcove to regenerate.

Thanks for your attention and have a most productive day.

 

[ltk007]

Elledan, these AIs (I won't even comment on how moronic you are to think that) you say you want to populate the Earth one day, how do you think they will support themselves. Without the use of natural resources they can't, they would destroy the earth in the same way humans will. I think you've been watching the Matrix too much, pull yourself out of your fantasy world and realize that you are a human too, you are part of destroying the world just as much as anyone else.

I've got an idea, go kill yourself. That way all those valuable resources you are using will be saved.

 

[Missus]

Yes...

Who wants the job to decide who dies and who doesn't...

I bet it would be someone who likes to kick puppies and pinch babies...

We as a society should try to look out for one another... Not decide who we should bump off... That is just facist crap...

 

[Missus]

ooops... sorry... Double post

 

[SackOfAllTrades]

For elledan's sake i hope he doesn't act this way with his friends...they must be deeply depressed if he did act so &quot;unbiased and objective.&quot;

 

[PretendHer]

And another thing...

Who decides what the EXACT definition of &quot;useless to society&quot; is or, what &quot;contibution to society&quot; means?

Again, I ask you to tell me if I should die or be put to death because I am unable to work...i.e. I get disability payments so, you all could say that you foot the bill on my life. Where do you draw the line here.

The answer is that NONE OF YOU are to decide that for me or for anyone else. And how dare ANY OF YOU to think you could or have a right to!

As for those who view to the far left...I suggest that you hope for yourselves that you don't become stricken with ANY type dibiltating illness, or those around you that you love and care about.

Lots of insensitive and useless people out there that can't care or show compassion and empathy for others of the same species.

I'm not angry at all...just repulsed by a number of you. A number that I am very surprised is greater than one would expect. I hope that the percentage here in this post/forum doesn't IN ANY WAY reflect reality of our so-called &quot;society&quot; as a whole.

Nuff said.

 

[convex]

no

 

[Athanasius]

Elledan:

Saying that ethics have changed throughout history is one thing. Ethics change in a &quot;microevolution&quot; kind of way. When a &quot;macroevolution&quot; of ethics occurs, it is usually something like Nazi Germany.

If you are so enlightened and logical, and have done your homework, you would find a wide cross section of ethical agreement amongst Ancient Chinese, Hindu, Babylonian, Egyptian, Norse, Roman, Greek, Jewish, Islamic, and Christian thought.

None of those cultures would suggest that it is ethical to eliminate the disadvantaged.

Any ethic that suggests otherwise is simply malignant. Buddha would agree.

 

[jaydee]

I think your falsly assuming that non-handicap people all are contributing members to society. What does your right to life have anything to do with possible limitations?

 

[kami]

Yes they should definitely be kept alive, but I can't say that I think they should be allowed to reproduce...that is, if there is a higher risk of just creating another mentally hanicapped person. Mentally handicapped people are probably the friendliest people on this planet &amp; they are always willing to give and receive love.
What about people who are complete vegetables? People like that exist and they still keep them alive. No they are not &quot;brain dead&quot; but they cannot do anything...there is no brain activity other than the brain telling their heart to keep pumping, etc. People that can not feel anything. Should they be kept alive? I know they are still a human life, but....?

Elledan, pull your head out of your ass and stop living in your fantasy world. You keep talking about the future and things you've seen on Star Trek episodes, but why do you care so much? You will never see the day when any of that is possible. You are genuinely sick and I feel sorry for you that you can't feel any emotion. I just know one thing...if someone in your family was handicapped your view would be a lot different.

What do you think the purpose of life is if you don't believe in any of these emotions? If you can't feel love, happiness, sadness, etc... what's the point of living? You have no feeling and obviously have never loved or been loved, so your reply should be interesting.



<< why don't we stick them in a warehouse or something being fed 3 times a day until their life is over? it costs less to feed someone than it does to teach someone. >>


:| Need I say more? fvcking imbecile